Chekhov MacGuffin

That's the reason. Irish is listed on the main Black Organization page.

I think Sera was talking to James Black at the end of 857, i.e. the same person she was talking to in 800 at the car wreck.

Apologies for the double post. There are some things I still don't get about the case. I can't come up with an answer I like, one free of contradictions. That makes picking the culprit hard but I think it is either Rumi or Settsu. My thoughts so far. Timing of Events Waka was drinking with Kaga until 05:00 Midday next day, Settsu, who was waiting with Rumi, went to the bathroom for a while. 30 minutes later, Kaga arrives and goes to the bathroom. Very soon after, Rumi and Ran go to check on Waka while Kaga is still out 30 minutes later, Kaga and Settsu go to check on the girls and are delayed by getting the door unlocked by staff. Manipulator positions. Rumi hired Sera, Sera was with Rumi all day acting as alibi. Settsu went to restroom prior to Ran and Conan arriving. Settsu made reservation at a restaurant that is hard to get reservations for, but had no control over who would attend. Rumi told Settsu that sister would not be attending. Settsu invited Ran right away after hearing sister would not be attending. Kaga asks to use restroom when he comes, Settsu tells him where it is. Rumi decides she wants to look for Waka Settsu had the room key, asks Rumi to return it to Waka. Settsu told Ran to go with Rumi to go upstairs, excuses himself from doing it. Rumi opens door to the apt. Rumi tells Ran where to search, while going to answer her phone while heading towards the living room. After Ran faints, Rumi has free run of the place. Assumptions that are probably fair to make Settsu was watched by Sera and Conan while he was downstairs, except for his bathroom break. Everything that happened when Settsu and Kaga went to find out why Ran, Rumi, and Waka were delayed probably happened as the two guys told because of extra witnesses that can verify. Also the details of the entry situation were not shown, and normally clue relevant scenes are shown or mentioned. I wouldn’t worry about where in the house the guys checked first. Conan presumably followed them, and maybe Sera as well. Character of the crime The crime seems premeditated in that obtaining chloroform requires planning ahead of time. However, a golf club as a murder weapon is not very premeditated. A golf club would make sense only if the culprit needed a blunt instrument, but that person was forced to use what was available and couldn’t bring something better ahead of time without arousing suspicion or worry it might be discovered. Also the failure to dispose of the chloroform in a better fashion is unusual because it doesn’t look like a suicide if the bottle is left in the kitchen sink away from the location of death, thus implicating one of the three suspects who visited recently. Also the door was locked, which does not match the image of a random break-in attacker. It would make sense that the culprit could not dispose of the chloroform and murder weapon in a better fashion, perhaps because they were pressed for time or worried about someone coming. The state of the victim’s body suggests that she was killed while awake with a blunt instrument while fiddling with her eye, because going unconscious first due to chloroform should result in a face like Ran’s with both eyes closed. A facial is something you don’t put on with makeup that you intend to keep on because the facial has to get washed off. That means the makeup Waka has on currently is last night’s makeup. Maybe she was planning on taking a shower in prep for the lunch. She had to take her contacts out that she left in overnight because she passed out. She might have been winking because she was taking out one of her contacts when she was killed and died nearly instantly. So where did her contact go? Not a suicide One possibility is Waka tried to commit suicide with chloroform. It explains why the narcotic was in the apartment in the first case. However, suicide is probably not what happened because it fails to explain why would the victim’s head be beaten, and the body winking. The damage seems to be worse than just falling over and hitting her head, otherwise Yokomizo might have mentioned that possibility. Also the facial is something that would have been put on after Kaga left, and it doesn’t make sense to dress up to die. The trick, the shower, and the red stuff- unfortunately contradictions? It seems like the shower is going when Ran enters based on the smoke/steam and the sound effect that appears to be a whining shower sound. Since there isn’t water on the ground, I assume it is pouring into the tub. Since there is a lot of steam, I assume there is still hot water and the shower hasn't been running all day, the culprit recently turned it on. Or something was put in the tub in the water to make it look like the room was foggy from hot water... One possibility is that the red paint was prepared ahead of time to be fake blood. (To make cleanup easier the fake blood could be solidified, so it would peel up and then melt when exposed to water. Would also explain why the shower was left running to make sure it all dissolved away.) The culprit entered the apartment and applied fake blood around Waka after she was drunk and asleep in the bathroom. Chloroform was added to the room to keep Waka down. (When?) Ran walked in when Waka was really only knocked out, was knocked out herself, the red stuff was cleaned up, and then Waka was killed for real. The problem is the state of the body with one eye shut, like Waka was in the process of applying makeup or removing contacts when she was killed and died instantly. Also to make this work the culprit needs to come early once, and has to cleanup while Ran is down, somehow not being knocked out herself. This needs time to evacuate the room or some sort of protection. Finally Waka has on a face mask, if she was asleep drunk, when did she put that on? After Kaga made her lock the door? If the substance was not used for faking blood then makeup like liquid rouge, lip gloss, or nail polish makes the most sense for red paint-like stuff considering the location. If so, the presence of the stuff in the tub is strange because you would think that makeup is more likely to be found in the sink part of the bathroom. Perhaps the red product contained chloroform that was injected with the syringe and used to knock out Waka when she used it. Maybe another makeup product contained chloroform and was used to knockout Waka and the red was knocked over accidentally? Ran got close enough to sniff it and pass out, but it seemed too strong for this technique considering how everyone else acted. Maybe the culprit knocked over the red accidentally because they were clumsy and had to wash it away? If the culprit was killed instantly while at the sink, it would more naturally explain Waka's winking pose versus both eyes closed due to chloroform knockout. Maybe the culprit knocked over the red stuff in the process and washed it away in the bath because it was easier. They left the shower on because they didn't want someone to notice the bath was wet but off for no reason, and moved Waka's body into the shower room to make it look like she was preparing to shower. The purpose of the chloroform here is unexplained. Whatever the substance, the culprit turned on and ran the shower most likely to wash away the red paint substance and fill the room with steam. Culprit is probably not Kaga I don’t think the culprit is Kaga because he could have set up a “drunk accident” the night before and not implicate himself. A slip and fall would be reasonable. There is no particular reason for Kaga to delay murderous intentions until the morning of the lunch meet, because there wouldn’t be better circumstances for murder then. That means that if Kaga killed Waka later that day when he went to the bathroom, it would be an unpremeditated crime. Kaga wouldn’t have been able to bring chloroform because that does require some premeditation to obtain. Also, I can’t think of a plan for Kaga where using chloroform would make sense, much less leaving it and the murder weapon in the apartment. Let’s assume Kaga is telling the truth from here on. Things to think about if the culprit is Rumi. Rumi has not been wearing contacts in the entire time she has appeared and appears to be very near sighted. The evidence for this is: She missed Settsu’s key catch. She had to hold the key up to her face before unlocking the door to make sure she put it in the right way. She had to hold the phone close to her face to see who she is calling. Conan told her what the picture was so she didn’t have to bend close to see his phone. She failed to find Settsu’s watch in the living room, assuming she was looking for it. There was no way she would if her eyesight was that bad. Poor eyesight means Rumi is more likely to spill something by bumping into it, like whatever the red paint substance (makeup) is. Also Rumi seemed sure the dead person was Waka until Kaga asked the police if it really was her. Rumi apparently saw Waka was wearing a facial mask. How did she know Waka was the dead person when her vision sucks? Was it an assumption or did she slip up? Could she even see well enough to whack Waka's head well? Rumi asked Ran to go to the place with the chloroform, and avoided it herself with the phone as an excuse. Sera’s later call seems to indicate phones get fine reception in the apartment and there was no need to take the call on the veranda. The timing of incoming phone call from Settsu could have been convenient coincidence, as Rumi could have also been intending to fake it. Why would Rumi execute her plan without her glasses/contacts? Isn't it risky? She could do the fake blood murder version, but the chloroform must have been added to the room early in the morning. This matches with the character of the crime in that there are some preprepared elements and the golf club was on the spot. Also, it sounds like the shower was on when Ran walked in meaning it must have been turned on early in the morning before the meet with Sera. How is it still hot enough to make steam? Rumi doesn’t seem to relock the door; she seems to go straight for veranda contrary to her testimony. When did she relock? Locking the door extends the time before discovery. Rumi could not throw the bottle and syringe over the veranda because she could not see if below was clear. Rumi could have hired Sera as an alibi. Rumi set up the circumstance for the crime early the morning of? If would have to be so if fake blood was involved. Also the room has to be filled with chloroform somehow. It’s also possible Rumi was just clumsy with red makeup of something because her vision is bad and had to wash it off her and down the tub. She then leaves the shower on. How is the water still hot though? Evidence in favor of the culprit being Settsu. Settsu has the most suspicion on him because he has the key. Unless it was a crime of unpremeditated passion, killing Waka in the way she was killed would be the worst for him, especially since he took a bathroom break. That said, he could have been counting on everybody to forget where he went. He didn’t know Sera was hired by Rumi after all and meeting Ran and Conan was a coincidence. Also of issue is why Settsu would need chloroform at all. If he were to commit the crime, he would have to go upstairs, hit her, and leave. The chloroform seems extraneous. What does he need it for? No other suicide/robbery scenarios seem to have been employed that might make chloroform attractive to use. Also, he could have removed the murder weapon or something like that on the way down. Maybe he intended to give Rumi an alibi by "attacking" her or her sister who was supposed to show up with chloroform, not knowing Sera was Rumi's alibi? That would explain why he might divert Rumi away from the bathroom by pretending not to hear her on the phone so Ran would take the fall. Timing wise, if there was still hot water, him turning on the shower makes more sense than Rumi who would have had to do it earlier. The fake blood theory doesn't work for him because he wouldn't have had the opportunity to hit her later under Kaga, Conan, Sera, and the door opener's watch. Settsu could manipulate Rumi away from the bathroom and the chloroform if he pretends to have a bad connection. Settsu was pretty distressed about the sister not being there, and he easily invites Ran to join even though she has Conan with her. He says that an extra kid wouldn't be a big deal, but just 5 seconds earlier he was talking about how difficult it was to get her a reservation at the famous restaurant. Maybe he's so quick to bring them along because he knows they won't make it to the restaurant anyway? When Settsu hands Conan the coins directly it may imply he was not confident in his vision to hand them back. That said he was able to read his watch in the lobby when he looked at it. Also, the missing memento wristwatch story is odd. Why did Settsu call Rumi if she already knew to look for the watch? Settsu has a watch in the lobby. Why does he need to find another watch? Where did Settsu’s watch he looked at in the lobby go by the time we get to the last page? His left hand is in his pocket, but on last page we can see his left hand wrist and the watch is not there. He went to the bathroom earlier before and he should have had the watch then, so he has no reason to take it off unless he is hiding the fact he had one to make the missing memento watch story check out. What if Settsu spilled the red on his watch, but then took it off before anyone noticed when he heard the investigation found red in the bath trap? Apparently didn’t know about Sera being there after death discovered, or that Rumi hired her to watch. Nobody finds it odd that the ex would be mad at dinner, it doesn't sound like two people who are secretly seeing each other. Main issues. How and when was the chloroform released? You could make a “time bomb” by putting the bottle of chloroform behind the bathroom door so it tips over and releases chloroform when the bathroom door is opened? Problem is that it does not use the syringe. Why was chloroform necessary at all? It seems to complicate the crime with little benefit, especially because it requires premeditation to bring. The fake blood thing could justify it, but contradictions. When was the vic killed and where? Before or after being chloroformed? In front of the sink or the shower? Waka should take out her contacts in the sink part of the bathroom. Why is she in the shower part of the bathroom? (Unless she was dragged in there after being hit while taking out contacts in front of the sink.) What is the red paint substance and why was the shower head left running? Why would Rumi not bring her contacts? Other things to think about. I wonder if Waka falling asleep on the veranda was a test run? Could Rumi and Settsu be working together or covering for one another? If so, Rumi did not mention Sera to Settsu as he seems to be surprised. Possibly blood on golf club isn’t Waka’s? What if the vic fell asleep in the shower room after drinking with makeup still on and prep for facial before bed? Rumi or Settsu could come over early and manipulate the scene. The chloroform as a red herring? Chloroform in red liquid which is then cleaned out? Chloroform in the contact solution? Door not really locked? If door already unlocked Rumi would have had more trouble. The description “giving away inside” does sound like proper bolt sliding and unlocking. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Now that the solution is out... The solution seems to be overly complicated. It's like the culprit expected there to be a strong detective on the scene to think of the Rumi-in-disguise version of the trick. Yokomizo wouldn't have bothered on his own. The culprit shows intelligence by coming up with a plan to implicate another person by making it look like they performed a trick, yet it contradicts with the culprit poorly thinking out several components. He is still a major suspect and Yokomizo would have hauled him off anyway had Sera, an unexpected guest, not stepped in. How did Settsu know what instructions Rumi would give Ran when she got upstairs? Ran might not have been first to the chloroform if Rumi politely asked her to wait until she finished the phone call because Rumi decided that it would be better to go together rather than have Ran wake Waka alone. What if Ran was feeling shy/polite and waited outside the shower until Rumi finished the call instead of barging into the room? That problem would have still existed even if Rumi's sister came along instead of Ran. Also the culprit didn't paint the ground with red paint. Wouldn't forensics notice the fake death didn't add up once they tried to verify Rumi's "scheme"? Then there are the contradictions Conan pointed out. The whole thing seems favor story (Conan gets to beat Sera again) over logic. Even though Waka put Settsu's contact in her own eye, wouldn't both her eyes close after she finished because she was falling unconscious? Also Gosho seems to have forgotten hot water is not infinite, especially in apartments....

What's the problem with Akai temporarily unsquinting his eyes from behind the glasses? I recall Genta's father, Kojima Genji, who is the model for the high-powered glasses theory, opened his eyes completely when he was screaming at the culprit in chapter 660. Okiya may have hid the comb to hide the fact he was using his left hand, or because Gosho wants us to think he was adjusting his wig with it. (It looks like an ordinary comb to me, but maybe those are rarer in Japan?)

The blood Ran saw might have also been the red paint-like substance which was washed away later. Not sure about that though. I'm working on a deduction for later today. I need some time to step back though because I have been thinking about it all morning.

I had to bust out my secret weapon on this case... my mom. She nailed something I overlooked right away. Sera had no problem calling from inside the apartment, so Rumi was probably lying about the reception. Edit: or Kenya lied about having bad reception...

Okay, what do you need help with?

Detective Conan isn't over yet (will be at 20th anniversary next year), but 857 chapters later, Kaitou Kid remains uncaught and he is still thieving.

Considering he breaks a lot of laws himself while investigating, I think he is inclined to be reasonable. He might comment about it, but give Shinichi credit for some common sense.

No one besides you and me as far as I know. The problem is that later, Gosho seemed to go backwards on the issue: 3. A fan asked whether Gosho has already come up with the name and character design/setting for The Boss ? Gosho gave out an ambiguous statement: The Boss has already been come up with/has already appeared; the name also has already been come up with/has already appeared. But which option is the correct understanding, everyone has their own opinion.

If Gosho told his wife the boss was for example, Kogoro's uncle or Agasa's brother, that would work perfectly with the idea that the boss hasn't appeared, but the wife knows who it is. Also recall the confirmed interview that Gosho said the boss's name has appeared. All he would have do is tell his wife the boss's name and then she would know. I still stick by the theory that the boss hasn't appeared yet precisely because Gosho was only specific about the name appearing rather than the boss. Furthermore when questioned later about a rumor that the boss himself has appeared, Gosho backtracked instead of clarifying further.

It's actually indirectly Conan's fault. It is true that the FBI capturing Kir during Black Impact precipitated the events during Red vs Black. However, the reason why the FBI went after Kir is because they mistook her for Vermouth, their intended target. The reason why the FBI thought Kir was Vermouth was because Conan didn't notice Kir changed clothes and left them in Gin's car. He thought that she would still have the tracker on her, so the person on the motorcycle far away from the tracker's location must be Vermouth. This was not necessarily a wise assumption, but the FBI listened to Conan anyway. Naturally none of FBI vs Org would have happened if Conan didn't get a tracker stuck on Kir's shoe in the first place.

Last chapter I can look at before the solution gets spoiled...

If you are referring to Haibara's intro case, Shiho mistakenly sent Akemi's professor an APTX 4869 disk when it was mixed up for a disk of Akemi's pictures Shiho was sending back via the professor's address. According to Haibara, the disk had APTX data, and real names of the project's sponsors, addresses and such. Because it had secret information on it, this is probably why Haibara lied to Conan about losing the other disk she made from copying APTX data from Pisco's computer at the hotel where Gin and Pisco attacked her. She was afraid that if she told Conan about it, he would go charging into trouble and get himself killed. Maybe he doesn't know who the guy is or how to find him? That company president might not know a lot of info either, and it's the Black Org who has APTX and is committing the serious crimes. Maybe that man had a rough idea, but I doubt he knew much more. It would be bad for someone who resents the Org to have secret information. In any case, Gosho's method of writing the plot has changed a lot since the beginning. I would not focus so much on those older cases when thinking about the Black Organization because of all the changes. The Black Org seemed more like the Magic Kaito Org back then, and it was not taken as seriously as Gosho writes them today. Gosho had more plot weaknesses in the earlier writing too. In the game demo bombing case earlier on, remember how Conan used Kogoro's voice in front of a crowd of people and the police to order the criminal to confess about the Organization? That's pretty strange because the Organization knew to bomb the meeting place where the culprit and Tequila met right away. They must have known something went wrong. It would be smart of them to send someone to check on Tequila, figure out why he died, or spy on the investigation. It would also be reasonable to listen to the deductions of the detective investigating just in case the detective or police found something suspicious on Tequila's corpse. That's what I mean by plot weakness. Gosho has since changed the Organization to be more careful and interested in silencing all witnesses.

His wiki page explains that Shiho was ordered to test APTX 4869 on him, but he escaped before she could. The Black Org was never shown targeting him after that, maybe because he was very low rank and considered useless.

As far as I am aware, Ai doesn't give Shinichi a bunch of antidotes for two reasons. The first is that Shinichi's body builds up resistance to the antidote every time he takes it. If Shinichi takes two too close together, the second one works for much less time than it is supposed to. If she gives him too many in a short amount of time, Shinichi could build up too much resistance to the antidote and it will stop working. The second reason Ai doesn't give Shinichi antidotes is because Shinichi has a bad tendency to get into dangerous public situations as an adult. I quote a spoiler: "I'm not going to give it [the antidote] to some detective in a romantic comedy who becomes a giant without heed to where he is. " She starts guessing Okiya is Akai in Murder at Mouri Detective Agency (Manga: 798-800, Anime: 672-674), and has a more clear revelation in Don't make that kind of face (Manga: 802, Anime: 675).

I don't have one. I haven't seen a theory about a well known character I can fully support. I honestly think the boss is a character we haven't seen yet. My second guess is it is a minor character who we haven't heard much from since whenever they showed up.

Jodie was extremely out of character stupid in this case. Gosho basically made her into an idiot to force the plot forward in an extremely awkward way. People try to blame the severe lapse of judgement on her emotional distress from Shuu's death, but her actions were too over the top dumb compared with how she acted before. Jodie's previous Akai-related stupid moves, like chasing Scar Akai blindly, were believable because she was in situations directly involving someone she thought might be Akai and she had no time to think about what to do. Even though she lost her composure around Scar Akai, Jodie didn't completely lose her mind during the unrelated case/hostage crisis events. This way, Jodie's portrayal was balanced between an having an emotional crisis and maintaining the skill she showed in the Vermouth and Kir arcs. But now, she is unbalanced. Jodie just completely spilled out highly confidential Black Org related details to a random stranger in an uncharacteristic fashion because the guy talked to her. Jodie wasn't in a split second decision situation where bad decisions typically happen because of high pressure. She was at a flower-viewing shrine and about to meet Conan to discuss confidential info. Vermouth knows about Conan, and Jodie knows Vermouth knows about Conan. Vermouth can bug/stalk people very effectively. This is the sort of scenario when Jodie should be most on her toes. Emotional distress from Shuu's death currently feels like a bad excuse for Jodie to give insider info to Bourbon to progress the plot. Jodie is a strong woman who confronted the killer who murdered her beloved parents without losing her head, and Vermouth got away on top of it. That didn't phase Jodie. It was just Conan's words this time, after the fact Akai is dead has had quite a while to sink in. Furthermore, she is an FBI agent in a covert job where death in the line of duty is likely. It would have made a lot more sense if Gosho had written the conversation between Jodie and Bourbon in 850 pgs 9 and 10 to be between Conan and Jodie instead with Bourbon or Vermouth listening in. It seems like the only point was to have Jodie give Bourbon a business card, something which could have been written to happen on page 7 instead. Sato and Eri seem to be the only hopes left for strong female leads. Gosho keeps nerfing them into damsels to be rescued by super cool detectives...

Akai's high school life. Goro's casebook.

Akai didn't need anonymous tipping. Jodie told him about the tracker Conan accidentally got stuck on Kir's shoe by phone (she tells Conan she told Akai). Akai realized if Conan didn't get the tracker back and it was found, the Organization would attack Kogoro thinking he planted it because Kogoro was the last suspicious person at Kir's apartment. Akai left defending Domon up to Jodie and Conan, and went off to somewhere he thought the Black Organization would first look for Kogoro -- at the agency, set up his sniper rifle to target the possible buildings they might try to kill Kogoro from, and waited. This is Akai's logic and the origin the information that led Akai to the Mouri Detective Agency with a sniper rifle. This is also how he knew to take out the thing Gin was holding and talking into. The boss can't just pull strings from both sides without knowing those sides exist and details about the people being manipulated. You have to know your enemy to attack them effectively. (Dumb luck only gets you so far and the boss as a cautious person would not rely on it.) How and when did the boss learn the information required to mess with Akai and Conan and kept updated on their whereabouts, plans, and equipment? Every bit of information and knowledge must have a source, and the boss must have a logical reason to have overheard or tapped that source at a specific time to learn that information. As for "these are all just theories", the point of a theory is to provide a thoughtful and rational explanation for something. A theory gains strength and differentiates itself from the rest of the pack by providing evidence and arguments for a certain point of view. We want those types of theories because otherwise this thread would be full of unsupportable crap like the boss is Gosho or Barack Obama. (We certainly have enough of that type) Anyone can make a story to explain why a certain character might be the boss, like what you did with your Mouri family history story. That story isn't worth anything though unless you can prove it, or parts of it actually happened or were likely happen. What is so special about Ellery Queen in particular? Hattori likes Ellery Queen. These holes also need to be addressed, as well as the anime/movie only character/story references, and the contradiction between the boss being overly-careful and allowing Kogoro to be targeted with the hope Vermouth would step in.

The watch section was closed down years ago because lawyers threatened the site. There are a bunch of messages explaining this around the forum. So no, you can't watch Detective Conan here anymore.