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  1. I felt we needed a thread for discussion of suspicious and recurring arc characters like Hyoue Kuroda, Wakasa Rumi, Sakurako Yonehara and others so we have a place to talk about them outside of their intro chapters and the Rum thread. I figured there might be more continuous discussion if I lumped all the suspicious arc characters into one thread rather than give each one a separate thread. Secret spies? Enemies of the Organization? Hidden backstories? False identities? Awesome? Stupid? Please post theories and comments about these characters here!
  2. Since this most likely won't be revealed any time soon, I'm making a discussion thread regarding the recently introduced middle-school girl's identity, motives, role in the plot... etc. Anyone who has any speculations about this character can post their comments here. Spoilers should be covered with spoiler tags of course. NOTE: Since Conan assumes that this character is female, I used the pronouns "she", "her" for convenience (instead of "they", "them", "he/she", "him/her"....), however she may very well be a male in disguise. P/S: If anyone wants to add another specific option to the poll above, you can tell me or another moderator.
  3. Chekhov has hijacked the first post! Please make suggestions. Finished up to page 56 to end List of threads and the best posts arguing whether individual characters are or aren't the boss. If you are thinking of replying to any of the posts, please remember some of the users who made these posts are no longer active and may not reply. Also, just because a user gives evidence in support or against a certain theory doesn't mean they believe it. Some people like to change their minds, test out an idea, or play devil's advocate. General Discussion of clues that could narrow down possible boss candidates. (Separate thread) The gender of the boss (Separate thread) Gin and Vodka's names are in the Mermaid Guestbook The boss's name appeared before File 551 Individual Characters Agasa Hiroshi Interview where Gosho confirms Agasa is not the boss Agasa is not the boss (Separate thread) Reasons for (Akazora) Reasons against (Kaine-Sherlockian) Reasons for (Ace Detective) James Black Reasons for (Akazora) Reasons for (Vicky) Reasons against (Chekhov MacGuffin) Miyano Atsushi Reasons for (Xcommando) Discussion (justwantanaccount) Reasons for and against (Schwa) Reasons for (Retro) Elena Miyano Discussion (justwantanaccount) Reasons for and against (Schwa) Okino Yoko Reasons for (Akazora) Reasons for (Akazora) Reasons against (Chekhov MacGuffin) Reasons for (greaterbeastxellas) Reasons for (Charala97) Okiya Subaru Reasons against (Glass Heart) Kudo Yuusaku Link to interview where Gosho confirms Kudo Yuusaku is not the boss Reasons for (Glass Heart) Reasons against (Stopwatch) Mouri Kogoro Reasons against (Chekhov MacGuffin) Kisaki Eri Reasons for (Glass Heart) Reasons for (Glass Heart) Reasons against Part 1 Part 2 (Chekhov MacGuffin) Reasons for Part 2 Part 2 (KirisatoSei) Reasons against (User 4869) Reasons for (ccrogers15) Miyano Akemi Reasons against (Scar Akai) Karasuwa Renya Karasuwa Renya (justwantanaccount) Karasuwa Renya - arguments against (Chekhov MacGuffin) Karasuwa Renya - arguments for Part 1 Part 2 (Black Demon) Kuroba Toichi Kuroba Toichi - Reasons for (aika) Kuroba Toichi - Reasons for (kkrazy1412) Kuroba Toichi - reasons against (User 4869) Other Daikoku Rentaro (Mermaid guestbook) (justwantanaccount) Mermaid guestbook name translations {Daikoku Rentarou} (Chekhov MacGuffin) Kaneshirou Genichirou (Scar Akai) Vermouth's Husband - general musings (Chekhov MacGuffin) Vermouth's Husband - general musings (Black Demon) Kobayashi Sumiko - Reasons for and against (Glass heart) Tokyo spirits - general musings (Akazora) Yamamura - reasons for (Dusty) Suzuki Shiro - reasons for (bosshunter) Shiratori Ninzaburou - reasons for (Dusty) Shiratori Ninzaburou - reasons against (User 4869) Kazumi Tsukamoto - reasons for (shiningstar) Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko- reasons for (emilyy418) Not one of the residents of Souhei Dejima's house (Chekhov MacGuffin) Kojima Genji - reasons for and against (ChaosBeing) Commentary by Username Detective Shinichi on the Case Closed Casebook Glass Heart Seven Crows, seven codenamed members of the Org? Akakata Facts about the boss Chekhov MacGuffin Boss related to Kogoro's past Chekhov MacGuffin Part 1 Part 2 Info about the boss and evidence against common candidates Akazora Part 1 Part 2 Boss characteristics Black Demon Part 1 Part 2 Thoughts on Nanatsu no ko The Black Demon Boss not completely in charge? Akazora Boss is a Nazi Black Demon Suspicious people Amontillado Suspicious people Silver.Bullet Musings on anokata Chekhov MacGuffin Mermaid guestbook name translations (Ooguro / Daikoku Rentarou) Cocoa - commentary about favorite boss theories KirisatoSei - Pondering the "Ai will be surprised" info Quol Part 1 Part 2 - Thoughts on Vermouth's relationship with the boss Chekhov MacGuffin Part 1 Part 2 - Thoughts on Vermouth's relationship with the boss I believe I had read somewhere that the boss of The Black Organization has been shown in the manga (anime, too, I would assume?) at least one time. Although, I'm unsure if it was only the possibility of his/her name, or if they were actually physically shown. If I'm not mistaken, Gosho Aoyama said it in an interview, though I'm skeptical because I haven't had any luck finding it to use as a source. (If you can find it, please let me know!) Anyway, what do you guys think? Maybe it's a bit too difficult to find that one possible character that could be the boss through over 500 episodes and over 700 chapters, but do you guys have any suspicions as to who it could be? Or just a comment about him or her in general? How about what the Black Organization's purpose is? I don't remember where I read it, but I heard something about one of their goals being to raise the dead. Also, there was a comment about immortality, which seems the most interesting to me — after all, has the mystery ever been solved as to why Vermouth is actually so old, yet remains youthful even without make-up and disguise?
  4. Links fixed Chekhov has hijacked the first post! Please make suggestions. Finished up to page 19 List of the best posts discussing the type of connection/relationship Gin and Shiho Miyano had If you are thinking of replying to any of the posts, please remember some of the users who made these posts are no longer active and may not reply. Also, just because a user gives evidence in support or against a certain theory doesn't mean they believe it. Some people like to change their minds, test out an idea, or play devil's advocate. detectiveshinichi - Gin's behavior detectiveshinichi] - Theory on how Gin met Shiho TML - Gin wants Sherry to return to the Org Aka Peiji - Commentary on Gin's character and theories Chekhov MacGuffin - Gin and Shiho had a romantic relationship theory Chekhov MacGuffin - Shiho was thirteen when she started working for the Org Chekhov MacGuffin V1 V2- Theory on why Shiho would even date Gin in the first place Chekhov MacGuffin - Theory on why Gin hates Shiho now kirite - Gin doesn't like Shiho theory dreznovk - Arguments against the romantic relationship theory Ranger - Gin possibly raped Shiho Carpet Crawler - Objections to the one sided relationship theory greaterbeastxellas - Theory on how Gin met Shiho what sort of connection do the two have? you can see that gin wants sherry dead, and sherry is scared of gin, but why does gin know sherry so well? and he seems to be interested in the guy who saves her in ep 176-177... i mean... what were they in terms of relationship??? is Gin like the jealous ex or what is going on??? it just confuses me ... post your ideas/knowledge of what it is please >w<
  5. Scar Akai

    Apoptoxin 4869

    I am wondering why the forum doesn't have this topic as I was about Τ☺ post something funny about the movie 'Green Hornet' which I am currently watching at the cinema. The father was killed ny a poison called 'apitoxin' which made me go nuts.... So , let's discuss about apotoxin and the related topics here!
  6. Links fixed Chekhov has hijacked the first post! Please make suggestions. Finished up to page 14 - first pass, may do a second pass for shorter responses List of the best posts about what is causing Vermouth's abnormal youth. If you are thinking of replying to any of the posts, please remember some of the users who made these posts are no longer active and may not reply. Also, just because a user gives evidence in support or against a certain theory doesn't mean they believe it. Some people like to change their minds, test out an idea, or play devil's advocate. Commentary by Username •jebbifurzz P1 P2 P3 - Vermouth took APTX 4869 (part of a debate) •detectiveshinichi - Discussion of Org's goal, and Vermouth did not use APTX, instead something else a long time ago stopped her aging •Chekhov MacGuffin P1 P2 P3 P4 - Vermouth did not take APTX, Sharon's mother may be Vermouth as well (part of a debate with DetectiveSherry) •DetectiveSherry P1 P2 P3 P4 P5 P6 - Vermouth was not Sharon's mother, took APTX ten years ago (part of a debate with Chekhov MacGuffin) •Kyuuketsuki - Sharon trained Chris to perfectly take over her identity. •Black Demon - Vermouth has a baby, possibly an abnormal baby. •Black Demon - Vermouth's body is currently youthful, thus she didn't have plastic surgery •ValleyofFear P1 P2 P3 - Sharon and Chris are separate people, the fingerprints were fakes (part of a debate with Chekhov MacGuffin) •Chekhov MacGuffin P1 P2 - Sharon and Chris are the same person, the fingerprints could not be faked, timeline of Vermouth's past assuming Sharon and Chris are the same person. (part of a debate with ValleyofFear) Similar Interest threads The goal of the Black Organization APTX 4869 Itakura's computer program What's The Secret Behind Vermouth's Youth? What do you think the reason behind Vermouth's youth!? I have a unimaginable guess why she looked younger than her age! Do you want to hear it? Hahahahahahahhahaha! Maybe she swallowed the same drug that Shinichi Kudo and Shiho Miyano swallowed! APTX4869??? Hah! So, what do you think? Discuss it here!
  7. Please post any theories you have concerning Sera's second oldest brother here. Here is the known information about him and some of the most common theories so far: Akai family's middle brother. Timeline of Akai family history: http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/forum/topic/4679-masumis-second-oldest-middle-brother/#entry302982 ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ Theory is out of date, it was last updated sometime early in 2014! The brother is probably Haneda Shuukichi Index . . .Unresolved issues about Masumi . . . "The Wizard" . . . . . . Evidence . . . . . . Wizard related speculation . . . The Middle Brother . . . . . . Straight theories . . . . . . Twist Theories ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ Original post Copypasta from before
  8. what do you think about him? is he an enemey or an ally? he first appeared in episode 512 (i guess.. ) his first appearance happened to be the episode where kir shot akai and bourbon (the Black Org's boss) was introduced.. not introduced in the sense that his identity was revealed, it's just that it's the first time that the Boss' code name was told.. although usually, gin calls the Boss "anataka" (means that person)..
  9. Mod note: Please also see companion thread: Purpose of that computer program by Itakura? for info about the computer programming agenda Mod note: This post was copied from citan from the Edogawa proboards. See original post. Do NOT copy posts without giving credit to the original poster or you will be banned.
  10. Discuss unresolved parts of past and current plots here, although please consider typing in-depth discussion in the relevant topical thread if possible, or creating a separate thread if necessary. For your convenience here is a list of many of the unresolved plots. Please suggest any additions or links to threads where a plot is being discussed.(I did not come up with all of these. Please see original post here.) Items and things • What is in the P.S. of Akemi's last text message to Akai? • What (besides drug data) is on the bloody disk that Haibara lied about losing at the Haido City Hotel? • What was the program about that Itakura couldn't complete for the sake of humanity? • What is the goal of the APTX 4869 project? • What kind of drug is Silver Bullet? Is Silver Bullet a different/early name for the project called APTX 4869? • What kind of drug did the Black Organization really want Shiho to make and how is it different than what she and her parents' actually made? • Night Baron Virus - the Org used it once and it was in another case. What does it signify and is their more plot relevance to it? • What happened to the handkerchief that Vermouth as Sharon gave Ran in the New York case? • What else is on the four tapes left for Haibara by her parents? Why were certain portions blank? • Why were the BO at the mermaid island and are any of the names in the guestbook besides Sherry's, Gin's alias, and Vodka's alias important? (Some discussion is in the main boss thread) Plot people • Vermouth's aging issue, her connection to the Miyanos, and APTX4869 • What is the reason for the antipathy between Sherry and Vermouth? Why does Vermouth hate the Miyanos? • Why is Vermouth the boss's favorite when she is somewhat treacherous? • What secret does Amuro know about the boss and Vermouth's relationship that he is using to blackmail her? (File 898) • "Silver bullets": What is Vermouth plotting by collecting people with the capability to destroy the Organization? • What is Vermouth's precise reason for hiding Shinichi and Shiho's deaging from the rest of the Organization? Is it something more than Shinichi is one of Vermouth's two angels, along with Ran? • Where was Vermouth telephoning Itakura from that had a cat or something that sounds like one? • Why did Vermouth as Sharon and Itakura have a bad relationship? (Volume 78.) • Jodie’s father - how did he find out about Vermouth and what did he find that forced Vermouth to take direct action, kill him, and burn his house down with all the evidence inside? • The husband of Vermouth as Sharon Vineyard - who is he? • Elena and Atsushi Miyano: their lives, their supposed death by accident that they seemed to know about in advance, their connection with Agasa • What secret thing did Miyano Atsushi want to tell Dejima Souhei, but was unable to, when he came to visit with his wife and Akemi 20 years ago? • Shiho and Akemi: why their different fates within the org? One became a high ranked member, the other lived a more normal life. • Why does the boss fear Akai is a silver bullet? • Gin and Akai: how did the personal rivalry start when they probably hadn't met each other much if at all before Akai was ejected from the Org? • If Jodie Starling went into the witness protection program, does that mean Jodie Starling is not her real name? If so what is it? • Amuro's past with Date • Amuro's past in the Organization and childhood connection to Elena Miyano • Who was the mysterious man who staked out Akai's meeting with Gin that Camel ruined? • What is the connection between Gin and Sherry? • What was Conan going to ask Ai after the showdown with Gin? "Hey… Could it be that when you were in the BO…". (Volume 24, File 242) • Shiho's foreshadowed meeting with Akai • Okiya's/Akai's promise with a certain woman. (Probably Akemi) People • Agasa's mysterious friends/connections - to the Miyanos and to unknown parties. • Magic Kaito's Organization related to the Black Organization? How much of Magic Kaito's Pandora story will carry over to DC? • Toichi, Vermouth, and Yukiko - how did that master-apprenticeship start? • Kogoro's absent past and relatives. What was he doing (besides romancing Eri), why did he decide to join the police in the first place when he seemed like a delinquent at school, why did he leave the force, who and where are Kogoro's family, and why do they never appear? • Calvados: was he important for anything other than making Chianti and Korn angry at Vermouth? • James Black: Does he have more relevance or a past? • Shizuka and Heizo Hattori: what are they doing, how are they connected to the story and why don't they come back? • What is the relationship to the plot, if any, of minor recurring characters such as Okino Yoko, Sanada Kazumi, Azusa Enemoto, Akagi Hide, Osamu Kenzaki, etc...? • How did Akai Shuuichi's father die? General issues (please see relevant threads) • Boss's identity • Purpose of the Org and their research: Biochem, computer agenda? • What's the Org's connection with America? Why did the FBI and CIA get involved in the first place? • List of plot points about the Black Organization Specific "current" issues • Ran wondering about when Shinichi touched and got fingerprints on Heiji's omamori and the effect on the plot. (Volume 66: Files 8-10 (693-695)) • Sera Masumi's identity and reason for coming to Japan (Partially resolved Masumi is Akai's sister) • Sera's past connection to Shinichi. (general thread) • Why does Sera think she is a bad kid while watching Ran treat Conan's injury? • What is the incident involving waves that Ran remembers Sera from? • The identity of Masumi's "Wizard" (general thread) • The identity of the Akai family middle brother • Why is Mary, Masumi and Shuuichi's mother, a child and how did that circumstance come about? Why is she in Japan now? • Who is Rum? • Why did Kir send a message about Rum only now? • What is Rum's current goal? • Why are there many conflicting accounts about Rum's appearance, but everyone agrees about the fake eye? • Who the 2 mothers that Aoyama has said are sisters in an interview? • Who keeps reposting the information about Haneda Kohji's death? • How did Haneda Kohji find out information about Rum, and what were the circumstances that led up to his death? • What is the drug that Ai said the BO wanted her to make that wasn't her parents' APTX 4869 project? • Who is Wakasa Rumi and what are her motives? • What is Hyoue Kuroda's past with the Japanese police and injury, and from whom did he learn that Conan is the brains behind Sleeping Kogoro? • Who is Momiji Ooka and why does she think Heiji is her future husband? Resolved • What was Elena about to say on the tape intended to be heard on Shiho's 18th Birthday? (Resolved 821 see wiki for APTX or Elena Miyano) • Yukiko and Yusaku Kudo: what are they doing, how are they connected to the story and why don't they come back? (somewhat resolved with London arc and more resolved for Yukiko in the Bell tree express arc) • Okiya's identity (Resolved as Akai Shuuichi) • Scar Akai's identity (resolved in 822 as Vermouth (train) and Bourbon (Teito bank, Beika dept store, Mouri Detective agency) • Will Kaitou Kid ever get involved in the plot? (Yes, in the train case although he doesn't know about the BO apparently. According to a postcard, Kaitou Kid won;t be involved in the final showdown.) • Is the violent robbery syndicate whose headquarters and warehouse are in Tottori related to the Black Organization? (Volume 44: Files 4-6 (450-452)) (sort of resolved because an interview with Gosho indicated that the BO and Tottori don't have a connection) • Haibara's strange reaction to Kurayoshi city (倉吉市), Tottori or perhaps Tottori in general (sort of resolved because an interview with Gosho indicated that the BO and Tottori don't have a connection) • Who were the shadow people who Akai asked to follow Yukiko and the Detective boys? (Gosho said in an interview we can ignore them) • Why does Bourbon hate Akai? (Akai was related to secret police agent Scotch's death) • Bourbon's promise with Vermouth (File 800 or so) - to not touch Ran or Conan no matter what happens. • How or why did the Secret Police agent known as Scotch die, and how was Akai Shuuichi related to his death? - Suicide, which Bourbon thought was murder. • The identity of the small child from the hotel - Mary is Masumi and Shuuichi's mother
  11. Everybody know that detectiveconan started sixteen years ago-I mean the manga-and still conan is a one-grader. Isn't that strange? other than that, there are 561episodes now, that means there are 1.5 case a day. Also, there are 8 christmas, 2 valentine in it already...still it seems to be all in one year. Apart from that, there are a problem about Mr.Mouri-his neck had been stung by conan's watch for 500 times, it has to become a bumblebee nest now... maybe that is why he always says his neck hurt. What do you guys think?
  12. Mod note: Please also see companion thread: Black Organization's true plan for info about APTX 4869 and other projects. Discuss the purpose of the computer program by Itakura here! Quick reminders about who Itakura was: Was hired as the system engineer for developing chess, shogi, and go games in File 377 Used to be famous for computer graphics - appear often in movie credits for special visual effects, appeared on TV for it Eyes got worse three years ago, hasn't done CG since and switched to developing systems Had contact with Tequila at his office two years ago, on March 7th Tequila expressed interest in a system software that was currently being developed - Itakura said that he declined developing that software due to his poor eyesight and Tequila left Itakura used transparent fonts to describe how someone kept breaking into his office on March 17th, and continued until January 6th of next year, when Itakura accepted to do what the BO wanted him to do Itakura contacted the queen-like woman over the phone on January 23rd last year - agreed to complete the system software within a year for high pay Itakura says on December 22nd last year that he can't develop that program, not only because he has poor eyesight, but also for the sake of humanity On February 10th this year, Itakura wonders what the BO will do with the software - he remembers the conversation with the queen-like woman; he says, "who do you think you are?" and the woman replies, "We are both the god and the devil - because we are trying to revive the dead against the flow of time" EDIT: Oh, one more thing; it seems that Itakura handed over an incomplete version of the software - does this mean that the BO is still looking for people to complete the software and hasn't used it yet? LOL I have no idea. It's funny that Itakura's wondering about what the BO will do with the software, when he's the one developing it, hmm. It also seems that good eyesight is somehow required for developing the software. I more or less put random ideas into the poll, since I honestly have no idea what the software could possibly be for, ha ha. This is slightly OOT, but I can't help but think that the whole angel-devil thing is a big pun somehow, though I'm not sure why. Apparently there's a cocktail named Fallen Angel, though I'm not sure if this is relevant to anything. So what do you think?
  13. Gosho Aoyama has once said in an interview that he has already plotted the ending of the series and I am wondering what is your idea of how he will bring the series to the end. Since there are a lot of themes such as the love relationship with Shinichi and Ran and the confrontation with the Black Organization in the series, I think the ending will be really intriguing. I am especially interested in who is the boss of the organization. Although most of the other members in the organization have already been introduced, the boss, the most important character in the organization has not yet been revealed. So I believe that the boss is someone who is surprising enough to be a boss. I guess Aoyama is keeping the secret till the end. Some say that he is Dr Agatha and others say that he is James in FBI. Of course there are other possibilities but I agree with the latter opinion that James is the one. One of the reasons for this is that if the boss is a member in a law enforcement agency, it would be a big surprise because the position in such a world is completely oposite of that in a crime world. The contrast is beautiful. Also, you cannot miss the fact that Aoyama is a big fan of the Sherloch Holmes series , where a distinguished scientist is a evil boss and that he is actually taking after the setting of the series. So it is not strange if he chooses such a good- looking man as an evil boss. Though there are some unclear points on the theory of James being the boss, I do hope that he will give us a surprise in the end. Anyway, what is your opinion on this matter? Try to give reasons!
  14. Shuuichi Akai's Death Theory! Do you think Akai Shuuichi is dead or alive? Do you think Akai Shuuichi is dead? If so, then who's that Scar Akai? If he that Scar Akai is actually him, how did he manage to escape that time at Reiha Pass? And what trick did he and Kir used to fool the organization? Discuss here! And see what most of you think!
  15. CarpetCrawler


    Discuss Bourbon in here. What's your theory on this person? My theory is that "Scar Akai" is Bourbon, and he's trying to lure out Shuu, who he knows is still alive, by pretending to look like him and hoping that he'll notice. Now, this may mean that Okiya is... the real Shuu? I don't know, that's just what I think. What do you guys think?
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