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  1. Jodie Starling

    Boss of The Black Organization?

    Chekhov has hijacked the first post! Please make suggestions. Finished up to page 56 to end List of threads and the best posts arguing whether individual characters are or aren't the boss. If you are thinking of replying to any of the posts, please remember some of the users who made these posts are no longer active and may not reply. Also, just because a user gives evidence in support or against a certain theory doesn't mean they believe it. Some people like to change their minds, test out an idea, or play devil's advocate. General Discussion of clues that could narrow down possible boss candidates. (Separate thread) The gender of the boss (Separate thread) Gin and Vodka's names are in the Mermaid Guestbook The boss's name appeared before File 551 Individual Characters Agasa Hiroshi Interview where Gosho confirms Agasa is not the boss Agasa is not the boss (Separate thread) Reasons for (Akazora) Reasons against (Kaine-Sherlockian) Reasons for (Ace Detective) James Black Reasons for (Akazora) Reasons for (Vicky) Reasons against (Chekhov MacGuffin) Miyano Atsushi Reasons for (Xcommando) Discussion (justwantanaccount) Reasons for and against (Schwa) Reasons for (Retro) Elena Miyano Discussion (justwantanaccount) Reasons for and against (Schwa) Okino Yoko Reasons for (Akazora) Reasons for (Akazora) Reasons against (Chekhov MacGuffin) Reasons for (greaterbeastxellas) Reasons for (Charala97) Okiya Subaru Reasons against (Glass Heart) Kudo Yuusaku Link to interview where Gosho confirms Kudo Yuusaku is not the boss Reasons for (Glass Heart) Reasons against (Stopwatch) Mouri Kogoro Reasons against (Chekhov MacGuffin) Kisaki Eri Reasons for (Glass Heart) Reasons for (Glass Heart) Reasons against Part 1 Part 2 (Chekhov MacGuffin) Reasons for Part 2 Part 2 (KirisatoSei) Reasons against (User 4869) Reasons for (ccrogers15) Miyano Akemi Reasons against (Scar Akai) Karasuwa Renya Karasuwa Renya (justwantanaccount) Karasuwa Renya - arguments against (Chekhov MacGuffin) Karasuwa Renya - arguments for Part 1 Part 2 (Black Demon) Kuroba Toichi Kuroba Toichi - Reasons for (aika) Kuroba Toichi - Reasons for (kkrazy1412) Kuroba Toichi - reasons against (User 4869) Other Daikoku Rentaro (Mermaid guestbook) (justwantanaccount) Mermaid guestbook name translations {Daikoku Rentarou} (Chekhov MacGuffin) Kaneshirou Genichirou (Scar Akai) Vermouth's Husband - general musings (Chekhov MacGuffin) Vermouth's Husband - general musings (Black Demon) Kobayashi Sumiko - Reasons for and against (Glass heart) Tokyo spirits - general musings (Akazora) Yamamura - reasons for (Dusty) Suzuki Shiro - reasons for (bosshunter) Shiratori Ninzaburou - reasons for (Dusty) Shiratori Ninzaburou - reasons against (User 4869) Kazumi Tsukamoto - reasons for (shiningstar) Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko- reasons for (emilyy418) Not one of the residents of Souhei Dejima's house (Chekhov MacGuffin) Kojima Genji - reasons for and against (ChaosBeing) Commentary by Username Detective Shinichi on the Case Closed Casebook Glass Heart Seven Crows, seven codenamed members of the Org? Akakata Facts about the boss Chekhov MacGuffin Boss related to Kogoro's past Chekhov MacGuffin Part 1 Part 2 Info about the boss and evidence against common candidates Akazora Part 1 Part 2 Boss characteristics Black Demon Part 1 Part 2 Thoughts on Nanatsu no ko The Black Demon Boss not completely in charge? Akazora Boss is a Nazi Black Demon Suspicious people Amontillado Suspicious people Silver.Bullet Musings on anokata Chekhov MacGuffin Mermaid guestbook name translations (Ooguro / Daikoku Rentarou) Cocoa - commentary about favorite boss theories KirisatoSei - Pondering the "Ai will be surprised" info Quol Part 1 Part 2 - Thoughts on Vermouth's relationship with the boss Chekhov MacGuffin Part 1 Part 2 - Thoughts on Vermouth's relationship with the boss I believe I had read somewhere that the boss of The Black Organization has been shown in the manga (anime, too, I would assume?) at least one time. Although, I'm unsure if it was only the possibility of his/her name, or if they were actually physically shown. If I'm not mistaken, Gosho Aoyama said it in an interview, though I'm skeptical because I haven't had any luck finding it to use as a source. (If you can find it, please let me know!) Anyway, what do you guys think? Maybe it's a bit too difficult to find that one possible character that could be the boss through over 500 episodes and over 700 chapters, but do you guys have any suspicions as to who it could be? Or just a comment about him or her in general? How about what the Black Organization's purpose is? I don't remember where I read it, but I heard something about one of their goals being to raise the dead. Also, there was a comment about immortality, which seems the most interesting to me — after all, has the mystery ever been solved as to why Vermouth is actually so old, yet remains youthful even without make-up and disguise?
  2. Shinan-Kudogawa

    History of B.O.

    I've done a little math recently, and some facts had made an interesting possible history that makes sense for the B.O. .. We all know of the claim of Ai's that the BO is older than half a century, possibly 50+ years for the existence of the B.O. . We also know based from the appearance of Gin that he is of 30- early 40's years old, if he is at the maximum age of 45 which is doubtful. There is a gap of a minimum 5 years before he was even born to the existence of the B.O. an assumption based on the fact that Gin does not know of the deaging neither he is the type to disguise himself as younger. Pulling the fact that B.O. existing before Gin, it is most likely contains of more members than we know of. We know Rum is 2nd in command, and Vermouth is Anokata's favorite. It is sensible that Anokata have supervising agents under him, who are most likely the founding members. It would make sense if they are 7 original founding members after which the tune for Anokata the Nanatsu no kou is made, however the 7 original members is a weak theory. But to attach it to another theory of mine, it would make things more possible and sensible. The other theory I'm talking about is one of the purposes of the B.O. is to control lots of money through mafia like techniques, for example the B.O. specifically Anokata as to empower himself has had groomed potential people under him so they can be the leaders of their subjects, for instance Vermouth a leading actress, Gin a leading mercenary. However it is safe to assume that Anokata in appearance is an old Japanese man with a wealthy company as a front, due to the fact that if he was deaged or stayed young in any way he wuld be aware of the deaging effects and would have no reason not to tell Gin his loyal agent to look for a child Sherry. Anokata is careful to the extreme, but he trusts Gin more than the others and would have told him to look for young Sherry without the knowledge of others. Speaking of loyalty, another issue is the basis on which Anokata assigns his agents. Other than skills and exceptional physiques, it is quite obvious that Anokata regards loyalty more than anything behind only the secrecy, as seen when he orders the murder of Pisco an old member of the B.O. . For Rum to be 2nd in command it would mean he is more loyal than Gin and probably more skillful. Regarding Pisco, he did say to Gin that if Gin kills him who is an old member would jeopardize Gin's own status in the B.O. . Hence Pisco is more likely an older member than Gin, thus that would draw the question whether there are more members who are more loyal and older than Gin and perhaps more important. If we assume the original 7 members is a correct theory, one of which is Rum, the 2nd is Vermouth being Anokata's favorite out of the 7. There are still 5 members that we know nothing about, However, if we think about the reason why Anokata wanted to assassinate that politician for he was a possible future prime minister and was hard on crime, and on the words of Ai regarding the arrest of the B.O.'s members that 'unbelievable characters would be caught' it is safe to assume that there is someone in the politics who is an associate of Anokata. However, I don't think that bribery would be the connection but rather a matter of loyalty, hence one of the original 7 is most likely a politician, perhaps the current prime minister whom Anokata is trying to keep in that position. Rum, Vermouth and Politician Agent (PA), there are still 4 members. We know for a fact that Anokata is readily accepting and wants the death of Sherry who was trained and groomed to be a leading scientist inside the B.O., assuming Anokata is not a scientist himself but a corporate leader, it means someone is supervising the science/programming wing of the B.O. under the boss directly. As Anokata who is ready to kill Sherry, probably have people who can replace her. Someone who knows what happens in the science department and is a scientist who tells Anokata of everything happening and therefore Anokata knows who is doing what, and also the supervisor makes sure everyone is doing their job. It could be though, that this supervisor is Daikouko/Rentarou who went with Sherry to the Mermaid Island to see if there is any scientific component that could help on the progress of the drug. 3 members are left, following this theory. The 5th member, is most likely someone who provides money for Anokata's researches. As no matter how rich Anokata is, he alone with several companies under him would be insufficient to provide for research and international relations and deals alone. Someone who did help Anokata before Anokata could become so rich, someone with a mansion of Gold. Which kind of puts Karasuma Renya in the right place (lol), if we presume it is so for a second, then rather than a leader he was one of the original members under Anokata, and his death triggered the visit of the two men (who are probably B.O.) to visit his place and reclaim his money to continue their research. He was rich enough to provide for the B.O. and his age puts him at a perfect age for a starting experienced member, his name though is either a pun or an alias. the last two members, could be both dead or one is alive or the both are still alive. If they are not dead, then one of them could be Anokata himself as the 7th member. if not then the two are different members, one of which would have to had international influence for the B.O. to expand so fast and so wide. Maybe an american, who acts as a supervising leader in the U.S. He/she is probably a business person with many contacts. The last member, if not Anokata, would be the eyes for Anokata. Someone who can tell Anokata of everything that is happening inside the B.O., he tells him of Gin's loyalty/ Vermouth's wild actions/ frictions between the members, which would explain how Anokata is keeping everyone so loyal. He could be though the person who sat next to Akai in the to be meeting with Gin, but could be a different person. Rum, who made a mistake 17 years ago. Could be a 2nd Rum after the death of the 1st, could be the same person but who's unquestionable loyalty made Anokata overlook the mistake and keep him alive. All we know, for Rum to investigate the B.O. for spies and for making a mistake 17 years ago would make him an old person as one of his descriptions is. And is like mentioned have unquestionable loyalty, and for such a person to exist he must know Anokata personally and might have been with Anokata ever since the creation of BO making him very old. Though unlikely, but Kuruda could be one of those original members rather than being Rum. Or a turned member, who was originally a B.O. but after a mistake was to be eliminated, but survived and now seeks revenge. He is still too mysterious, but he is no supporter of B.O, as he would have known and reported Sherry like Pisco had almost done. Gosho-sama's 2016 interview made a very vague answer about mixed ethnicity, but Gin and Vermouth's appearance are not entirely Japanese. Vermouth for all we know is American, Gin might be of mixed Japanese with possibly German blood, due to his blonde appearance and his favorite Porsche is a reminiscent of Germany. I doubt Pisco was as skilled as Chianto and Korn, but nevertheless was more high ranking due to his loyalty and more time spent in the B.O than them. Kir's assumed loyalty made her instantly earn her code name. Gin told Pisco that he was famous and powerful thanks to the B.O. which supports the claim that the B.O. grooms future leaders. Vodka could be an original member who is the 'eyes of Anokata' who reports everything to him, lol which would explain why Gin wanted to shoot him as he was probably annoying as to report every little detail but was dim witted sometimes. Also explains why he always wears black sunglasses, the hidden eyes of Anokata lol, but I guess it was a mere clothing appearance Gosho-sama thought was cool. Anokata, is probably like mentioned, an old Japanese company owner, with a corporate that acts as a front for his other life as a leader of a powerful organization. Therefore he is an old Japanese person who wears a business suit, cautious to the extreme, have a love for the detective fiction, and is ruthless as he orders the death of any agent who jeopardize his secret operations no matter who is the agent. Being such ruthless would indicate that Anokata himself had to have at least once committed a crime by his own hands probably a murder to become this ruthless and to lead a secret life to hide an old murder??!! . A running theory is that Vermouth is Anokata's daughter being the romantic person near Gin would jeopardize her relationship with Anokata had she's been a wife or a lover to him. To allow intimate relations between his agents; Vermouth/Gin/Sherry/Akemi/Rye etc. rather than formal relationship, might indicate Anokata's desire for inbreeding between his agents to result in the agents of the future, that is if he does even know about the relationships between his agents. And Anokata's name is probably famous as we know him, Haibara would be shocked to know it is him, meaning she knows his real name, as per a previous interview made with Gosho-sama who said that if you know the B.O.'s real name you will know Anokata, and is someone whom we would remember instantly. His wealth also makes him famous among his peers in his alter ego. Hope it makes sense XD ..
  3. newperson3

    Yukiko Kudo

    Hey guys, I'm new here, so I'm not really sure how stuff works here. I've used the search function to look for my idea, but I couldn't find it. Perhaps I'm still not sure how to efficiently use this wiki. Anyways, on to my question. I've looked through quite a few threads detailing the possible identity of the boss of the black organization. However, not once have I found Shinichi's mom as a suspect. I've been thinking this for a while, but after the latest chapter, I am almost convinced. She is someone that seems very unlikely, but is very possible. After all, she is a master of disguise (masks, voice, everything), and could just be pretending to be "dumb". She also has the means to carry out all the commands, as she is married to a very, very rich man. She could take on any identitiy. Also, she is very close with vermouth, a high ranking favored officer of anokata. There's a lot more, but as its the middle of the night, I can't think of any right now. I'll add more as I remember why I even thought of her in the first place. I know it doesnt seem very likely, but what do you guys think? Is it possible?