Chekhov MacGuffin

Funny you should say that. I went and dragged it over to one of the translators at DCTP and she said the name might be Kurosawa, and the name we can see entirely was probably Vodka's pun. I think I was in the wrong and the interview might be correct. http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2169&start=15#p777781 ranscript from the cbox, cut to the most relevant points with minor fixes. Chekhov MacGuffin: (27 Jun 13, 13:51) The mermaid guestbook came up again. What did I screw up, Fuji? http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/foru ... /?p=295425 Chekhov MacGuffin: (27 Jun 13, 13:53) It came up in regards to Q3 from this site: http://anokata.xxxxxxxx.jp/faq.html Chekhov MacGuffin: (27 Jun 13, 13:55) If I didn't mess anything up, I'm going to have to go back on my previous words that Vodka wasn't in the guestbook. Of course, a pun like that is probably not his real name, even though Sherry used her real name. Fujiwara: (27 Jun 13, 14:10) Awesome find that. My remarks: 魚塚 is definitely a play on Vodka just as you described. That's because it's not, in fact, a Japanese surname. I.e. no one uses it. Fujiwara: (27 Jun 13, 14:12) It could be read differently from Uotsuka, of course, but given how it's not an actual name and it's position in the guest book, either Vodka wrote it or it was a joke by Gosho, it was definitely intentional. Chekhov MacGuffin: (27 Jun 13, 14:12 - 27 Jun 13, 14:14) I noticed Wikipedia turned up zero people with the name. I'm guessing it was probably Vodka judging by the context. Shiho probably would get an escort. The elephant in the room is if the Gin part is true though. As in the name on the far right. Per the interview given in Q3 here: http://anokata.xxxxxxxx.jp/faq.html I doubt Vodka would use his real name, even if Shiho did. Fujiwara: (27 Jun 13, 14:15) No, since Vodka is a codename it would make no sense for it to be his real name. Esp. given how it's not, actually, a name that people use. Chekhov MacGuffin: (27 Jun 13, 14:16) By the way this might be useful: http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki ... _manga.PNG Fujiwara: (27 Jun 13, 14:18) Yes, well, all I can say is that the part of the next name that you see matches the Kanji for Kurosawa Jin (黒澤陣). Fujiwara: (27 Jun 13, 14:30) But, yeah, the Gin thing woud really depend on the veracity of that interview, since you can only see the tiny part of the name and the original rumor might have been based on that bit ... Chekhov MacGuffin: (27 Jun 13, 14:35) If you have any more remarks, now would be a good time Fujiwara: (27 Jun 13, 14:38) Well, there's alternate readings for the given name, I suppose, but Saburou seems the most prevalent and none of them give off any BO vibe. Here they are though: Mitsuo, Sanrou, Kazuo

A few years ago at DCTP forums and then later at the DCTP cbox (no records) and then the german http://detektivconan-forum.com/. The most recent English thread is here, and unfortunately has been messed up by the forum move. If you had an account at DCTP before the move, you can log in here and see the thread without errors. Throwing the name 三郎 into Wikipedia yields straight "Saburo"s 魚塚 is the radical for fish (sakana) and mound/heap/hillock (Tsuka, but appears to be -zuka when another sound is before it). Alternate readings for fish can give you "Uo". Uozuka (Uotsuka) works as the family name. Vodka rendered into Japanese is ウォッカ ウ = U kana ォ = Scaled-down o kana used to express morae foreign to the Japanese language ッ = "little tsu", in this case used to double a k sound. カ = ka So if you just jam the sounds together ignoring proper reading you get Uotsuka. Definitely it comes across as similar, so it's believable that Vodka wrote it in the book. (Then again I am not an experienced translator) That said, I don't think it is possible to prove that it is his real name instead of just a pun on his codename. Just because Shiho wrote her real name doesn't mean Vodka did so. I honestly don't trust most of the guidebooks, except for Conan Drill which appears to be the most official manga guide for the series. If I remember correctly there is one little note about the name: http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4399&p=225197&hilit=Conan+Drill+Vodka#p225197 It doesn't confirm anything and doesn't mention Gin.

It is true that Ooguro/Daiko Rentarou (大黒連太郎) was in Hattori's mermaid guestbook and Miyano Shiho's name (宮野 志保) was in Conan's. However, Vodka and Kurosawa Jin being in the guestbook is completely untrue. It was all rumor. There have been several investigations by experienced translators, and none ever said they were Gin and Vodka's real names. (Edit: This has been proven False! They are in the guestbook!) The other name is Conan's guestbook next to Shiho's is 魚塚三郎 (Without furigana it's a guess how it it read, but people seem to think it is family name = Sakanazuka, given name = Saburō). The other names are cut off.

I'm the reverting mod here. I reuploaded all the pictures you posted under the original names - not your filenames, so your pictures are all there. I didn't delete any of them - there are copies of them all. I did that because if you upload a picture under a new name to replace one on a page, the old picture goes into never-never-land on the server. Keeping all the different versions of an image is a good way to keep track of everything, and makes it easy to do server management down the line. The reason I changed two of the pictures back is because the anime pictures were simply bad. It's not your fault. The anime just didn't do them well. Compare for yourself below. vs and vs The first problem with the anime images is that they don't show the action well. It's just Sera's leg. If they were gifs, that would be another thing. Second, two of your anime images have huge watermarks from streaming sites and subbers (that mark in the upper left is bad) on them. That's no good either. We let the Japanese TV watermarks go because they are non-intrusive and very few people have all the DVDs and good image capturing. Skyechan does her best, but she can't replace every image on the wiki. We try to have some standards of quality here. Please understand. ------- I wish I could replace this one with this one Sera was drawn so badly in the anime in this episode. That's the reason why we have many manga images for Sera at the beginning. Much of the art in her intro episodes was low quality because the usual animators were working on a movie at the time. It would probably be better to find a more recent anime episode with better art...

Regarding the middle brother's PS "Have you met the Wizard yet?" and Sera's response "you could say so"... I think the brother was asking about Shinichi. Sera's response, "you could say so", makes sense in that she didn't actually meet Shinichi, but she met Conan, so she sort of met Shinichi. Sera apparently knows Conan's real identity already, so this holds together. It seems the event where Shinichi earned the nickname of Wizard was at the beach meeting from the past. Ran specifically mentions "sounds of rippling waves, as if some sort of magic were at work." in Volume 80, File 7 (846), pg 4. I want to put out there for stab-in-the-dark potential that bioluminescent phytoplankton that glow when the water is disturbed would qualify as magical. It implies the middle brother might have also been present at the ocean meeting with Sera, Shinichi, and Ran since he asked about "The Wizard" in the text message. If so, he too could recognize Conan as Shinichi from back then. This would tie in really well with the Shuukichi is the middle brother theory since he is an expert at memorization and could recall Conan's face, which meshes with his immediate treatment of Conan as a skilled detective with no prompting or testing. PS: My guess is that the main body of the message that Sera received was a response to her question of how the brother knows Conan. Sera is of course surprised that anyone would have met Conan since she knows he is Shinichi and thus "shouldn't exist". She would ask this right away. The answer was something mundane like "I met him during a case" and not, "oh I recognize Conan is Shinichi" or the brother would not have followed up with the PS.

I don't study Japanese, so my glossing is quite often wrong. Looking more into 画力対決, it seems to a specific expression for when one guy tries to draw another artist's character. Look at the image results for "画力対決". Maybe you can put it together as "Doesn't the Golgo (13) drawn at the redrawing showdown look like the younger brother (Juugo) Yokomizo?"

It sounds like it's about an "artistic skill showdown" and "Golgo's depiction" referring to the main character Golgo 13 from the same named manga (ゴルゴ13 Gorugo Sātīn). The main character Golgo looks a bit like the younger Yokomizo brother, Jugo. ==== I would personally capitalize Taiko because it is a title and an exemplary nickname. You see the convention in the President (when referring to the current president), Alexander the Great, the First Lady, and the Oracle (of Delphi). It's a nitpicky English grammar point.

Shiota Heihachiro is a non-canon anime original character from Episode 67. Aoyama Gosho doesn't write anime originals, so it can't be him.

Taikō is singular here because it is referring to the Taikō, Toyotomi Hideyoshi, who Shuukichi is nicknamed after. I went ahead and fixed this one. As for the other one, lost focus or slacked off seems to be right. I think it's a reference to the beginning of file 856 when Conan figures out it was Bourbon and Vermouth at the shrine.

If I remember correctly, the most important difference is that Saori's letter explained that she learned about Shinichi from Katsuragi Yukiko, the young woman from the murdered diplomat case. Katsuragi Yukiko grew up on the Mermaid Island. That scene was cut if I remember correctly. That scene is in the manga. There might be a few other altered moments, but I think that was the most interesting one.

What I have for Eri not being the boss is The list I keep of stock arguments against certain chars You ran into an anime plothole. Do you remember the Bullet Train Episode where there was a bomb on board, and the two suspects looked like Gin and Vodka but weren't? In the original manga they were Gin and Vodka for real. One of people in charge of the animating team decided the Black Organization was appearing too often so they changed the real Gin and Vodka to lookalikes. The problem is that, in the manga, Conan bugged the two men's seats and learned their codenames were Gin and Vodka. Hearing those codenames is how Conan figured out Tequila was in the Black Org when Tequila called Vodka. The problem in the anime continuity was that Gin and Vodka were replaced with lookalikes, so Conan never learned their codenames. The animators had to fix that somehow so the scene with Tequila would work. The Japanese anime team simply ignored the problem and hoped no one would notice. The English dubbers changed Hattori's lines so that he could tell Conan about the Org. The truth is that Hattori didn't know about the Black Org at all in the manga until Conan told him about them.

So long as you don't link to fansubs or other illegal stuff, I think we are good.

They were shut down years ago because lawyers sent a message to the site. There have been no videos here for more than 2 years. There are many messages and topics around the forum that explain this.

Detective Conan is only in Shounen Sunday. Also quite a bit of interesting stuff has been going on recently. Akai and Sera have a brother we don't know about. Amuro (aka Bourbon) knows Conan is the real brains behind Kogoro and may be piecing together he is Shinichi. If you are waiting for Gin and Vodka and the rest of the BO team, it will probably be chapter 900 early next year before they appear again. Gosho gave an interview that he is thinking of introducing new BO members so maybe we will have some then.

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It's professional looking and isn't enormous - always a good quality in a forum sig. You might get a better response in the fanart section, especially if you will be making more sigs.

Akai was referring to Sherry. Akai first noticed that Ai was Sherry at the very end of 311, and followed up his suspicions by ordering some allies to take her picture in episodes 335-336. He probably noticed Haibara is identical looking to the adult the Shiho. Akai didn't know the truth about Edogawa Conan until much later, when he disguised as Okiya. In episodes 509-511, Okiya heard about the owner the house he is living in from Ran and Sonoko. Although Ran lied about the owner being "Kinichi", Okiya figured out the real owner was Shinichi. In episode 690-691, Okiya secretly watched Conan call Ran using Shinichi's voice, and then he teased Conan about being Shinichi soon after.

That's pretty impressive. Shinichi's voice is great. I hope you manage to fill all the roles!

Koumei is 35 I think. Akai would have to be older, and he doesn't seem that old. Haneda Shuukichi, a "real" Okiya (not Akai-Okiya), or a new character makes the most sense to me right now. There isn't real evidence that can rule out Koumei though, only hunches.

Yes it is! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The trick uses pressure manipulation to draw water into the toilet at a high enough level to drown the victim. It is effectively a scaled up version of the chemistry/physics demonstration where a burning candle is covered with a pitcher so that the candle is in an air-tight space sealed by the water at the ground. You can see a video of it in action , and an explanation for how it works here. The culprit uses a stun gun on the victim while he is in the toilet, giving him a burn mark on his left shoulder. The culprit repositions the victim so that he is bent over double with his head between his knees. This posture puts a lot of pressure on the front of the stomach, giving him pressure marks on the front of his abdomen. (Or maybe the culprit looped his belt through something so he can't stand up. I'm not sure because I didn't see anything damaged by him trying to stand up.) The culprit then seals the upper vent on the back of the toilet and the area around the doors with waterproof tape so that it is airtight. The ventilation space at the base of the door is not sealed. The kerosine in the four cans are lit and set up on the toilet paper rack. The heat and soot leaves a large burn mark on the ceiling. The culprit then uses a towel to plug the drain outside so that water rises in the subsided area by the toilet. The water rises and leaves diagonal lines corresponding to the high water mark on the walls by the toilet. Once the water is high enough, it is pulled into the toilet per the pressure explanation above, drowning the victim, getting water in his lungs, and soaking his clothes and wetting the lower part of the toilet's walls. The water subsides a little over time, but drains rapidly once the culprit removes the tape seals while everyone searches for the victim at bars nearby, leaving behind a sticky water-repellant residue on the edges of the vent and door. This tape is hidden somewhere convenient, like in a car. The sopping towel clogging the drain is also removed and thrown in the trash so the water can drain away, and Conan hears the gurgling sound of the water draining in the parking lot while looking for the victim and wonders what it is. The culprit then enters the drained toilet, props the victim upright, and throws the four cans of kerosine in the trash, dumping whatever is left in the drain outside. The culprit, the science teacher Masaki Sunami, can now find the victim. Masaki is the culprit because she went to the car to put him in, the ideal time to stun gun him and set up the trick. She other woman pointed out it had been raining the last times they had come to the bowling place, something the culpit would not want to point out. Masaki also knew it was raining the whole time, meaning she was paying attention to the weather: it had to be raining hard in order to fill up a corner of the parking lot high enough for the trick to work. She also found the body, giving her the best opportunity to remove the kerosine cans and prop up the victim. Finally, as a science teacher, the candle pressure demonstration is her area of expertise.

Glad I could help!

Based on the way the plot is going, the police won't find out about the BO until the end of the story. Gosho wants to make Shinichi the hero who drags the Organization into the light and takes them down. The police would "steal" Shinichi's glory if they knew about the BO because they would definitely try to go after the Organization.