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But there are a lot more similarities and clues in Subaru and Akai's case than there were for Jodie and Vermouth. It goes further than appearance and mysteriousness. Okiya and Akai share name puns, Black Org auras, and Conan's trust, and a bunch of other things I have listed. The differences can be explained by acting and habit change in order to disguise himself. What is important to note is that none of the differences are too extreme such that a dedicated Akai couldn't handle. Quit smoking, use nicotine patches for instance. Also, Akai has shown hand to hand skills- he was going to take out a busjacker before Conan got him. Also, Okiya hasn't had the opportunity to shoot, so it doesn't make sense to assume Okiya can't. I disagree. When has Akai been on a mission where disguise would have significantly helped? Most of the time, Akai simply appeared unexpectedly or stayed out of sight of the party he was tailing. On the bus jack case, the FBI weren't trying to capture Vermouth. The bus is a public location with lots of people around. They couldn't. What they were doing was looking for Shiho in order to protect her, which is why Akai mentions the target at the end of the case into his recording device. By the same token Vermouth couldn't attack Jodie. Also, the FBI didn't know Vermouth knew Jodie was an FBI agent. Even if Vermouth saw Akai on the bus, that doesn't make Jodie Akai's ally. The problem is Conan and Agasa haven't talked about the glasses and how they relate to the badges as far as we have seen anytime recently. Between Okiya's first appearance and the 252 rescue case where Okiya demonstrated his knowledge, I am pretty sure Conan hasn't used the tracking function of his glasses in any case in Beika (or even elsewhere anywhere possibly), nor have the detective boys used the badges for anything other than communication (unless I'm forgetting something they may not have used them at all until the 252 case ignoring the haunted warehouse where they were merely props). If they haven't been used recently, then why would anyone in Agasa's house need to talk a out loud about them? They already know how they work, and listening devices don't let you see how to use them properly, something which Subaru knew how to do. The mechanism to operate Conan's glasses isn't obvious, so only someone who knows about their existence beforehand could recognize the glasses at Agasa's and figure out how to activate the tracking function. Akai Shuuichi could have heard about the glasses in several ways. The first source is when James Black was kidnapped while he had Ayumi's detective badge. Conan used the badge to track down James Black. James was waiting to meet with Akai before he was kidnapped and drove away with Akai after he was rescued. Akai could have also heard about the tracking function from Jodie when Conan chased after Kir to prevent an assassination. Finally, Akai may also know about them from when Haibara borrowed the glasses to find Conan at the shipping yards in climax of the Vermouth arc. He was present at the time and would have seen Haibara wearing them even though she has never worn glasses when Akai had seen her previously.
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We had similar "reader omniscience" in the Vermouth arc. We got to see Jodie's thoughts and phone conversations, Vermouth thinking to herself in her office with targets, and Akai lurking around and his communications with people like James Black, all of which Conan did not know about. Also, Gosho never lies to us, that is when he shows us something, it always fits in with the final plot although it may be deceptive at first like you pointed out.
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I don't understand why being enemies means you would be more similar than you would be otherwise.================================================================== Version 1 Common Objections to Okiya being Akai and their rebuttals (1) Objections that Okiya is not Akai because... 1a. Akai is dead. 1b. Okiya is Bourbon. 1c. Okiya and Akai appeared at the same time so they can't be the same person. 1d. Scar Akai is the real Akai. 1e. Okiya is the shadow guy in glasses driving in files 417-419 so he can’t be Akai. (anime spoilers) 1f. What about Okiya being a brother of Akai or something like that? (2) Objections that Akai couldn't have the time to prepare the Okiya disguise and other logistics. Generally, the passage of time in DC is difficult to tell because of the floating timeline; it isn't clear how much time elapsed between Raiha pass and the Kuroshiro case where Okiya first appeared. In the Suspicious Eisuke case which occurred right before Okiya's introductory case, it was stated that Eisuke returned to school finally after being "absent for quite a while" according to Conan. (619 pg 3) Even then, how much time elapsed between "Suspicious Eisuke" and Okiya's introductory case? 2a. Now that Akai is cut off from the FBI, how could he have the resources and get his identity together as Okiya fast enough? (Like a buying a car and renting an apartment...) 2a1. Then who were these assistants? 2b. Akai couldn't have learned all the things Okiya knows fast enough 2c. If Okiya was Akai he couldn't have been at the apartments for long enough. 2c1. Okiya can't be Akai because the child Kaito from the Kuroshiro case had to have known him for a long time in order to observe him enough to invent a nickname for him. 2c2. Okiya couldn't have been there long enough because the garden looked too nice. 2d. It is too difficult to fake a job as a graduate student in engineering. (3) Objections regarding Akai's acting and disguising abilities or lack thereof 3a. Akai doesn't have any acting skills as far as we know. He couldn't do a good enough job to be Okiya. 3b. Akai has no experience with disguise. 3c. Akai can't disguise his voice. 3d. If Jodie wasn't able to recognize Okiya as Akai, then how did Ran? 3e. If Okiya is Akai, and Ran, after only seeing him three times, thinks he seems familiar, doesn't that mean Okiya's disguise is bad? If so, isn't he stupid for appearing around the Org or the FBI who might recognize them? 3f. If Okiya is Akai, why doesn't Akai behave more like himself when he is alone or only good guys are around? (4) Objections based on motives 4a. If Okiya is Akai and trying to keep his identity secret, why is he risking himself by staying close to Haibara and Conan and getting involved in situations where the FBI and the Black Org are present? 4a1. He doesn't seem to be protecting Haibara and Conan (anime spoilers) 4a2. He doesn't seem to be protecting the FBI 4b. If Akai is unwilling to face Haibara, why would he try to move in with her? 4c. If Okiya is Akai, why is he spying on Conan and Haibara? (5) Objections based on personality differences between Okiya and Akai 5a. Akai isn't the type of character who would disguise as a domestic and friendly person like Okiya. Their personalities are too different for them to be each other 5b. Okiya smiles more than Akai 5c. Conan acts differently around Okiya than when he was around Akai (6) Objections on physical differences between Okiya and Akai 6a. Okiya doesn't look like Akai 6a1. Then where did the line under his eyes go? 6a2. Then where cheekbones go? 6b. Okiya/Akai is ambidextrous unlike the other. 6c. Many of people look alike because of Gosho's art style. Also other characters like Gin are left handed. Okiya and Akai being alike is just a coincidence. (7) Objections based on behavioral differences 7a. Akai smokes, Okiya doesn’t. 7b. Okiya is a better detective than Akai (8) Objections based on quotes 8a. If Okiya is Akai, and he knows scar Akai is Bourbon, why would he say that Scar Akai wasn't who he thought he was? 8b. Okiya seems to be threatening Haibara during the Ikkaku rock case. (9) Objection based on literary devices 9a. Okiya is Akai is too easy; there has to be something more complicated. 9b. If Okiya is Akai, why is he is disguise all the time? Even Vermouth took off her disguises once in a while. 9c. Several times we get to eavesdrop on Okiya's thoughts. That only happens for characters not in disguise. 9d. There is a trick to the Char Aznable name: Char Aznable and Casval Rem Deikun used to be strangers, so this implies Okiya isn't Akai. (10) Miscellaneous 10a. Okiya can't be Akai because Okiya was the only one who could have informed the Black Organization that scar Akai was in the Beika Department Store. 10b. Why did Conan panic when he heard Ran was going to Shinichi's house? 10b1. Then why didn't Conan warn Subaru that Ran was coming? 10b2. The timing of Subaru getting that phone message doesn't make sense! 10b3. Why didn't Ran and Sonoko hear his phone if Conan contacted him first as they came in? Everything below this line is not finalized. They are in need of serious cleanup like proper grammar and such. Please don't quote them, they are only here to give you an idea of what will eventually be posted. ========================
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Stork Mystery Tour eps 554-555Found via searching for Araide's appearances in the wiki.
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Movie 10 had Conan with a broken leg, are you positive you are thinking of an episode?
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Something about Akai that I don't understand . . .
Chekhov MacGuffin replied to justwantanaccount's topic in Manga series
He didn't know Shiho was Ai. The moment he found out was after Ai bailed Conan out from the locker after Black Footprint. He saw her with Conan and thought to himself "No way!" if I remember correctly. -
Pretty much. I don't think Gosho will give us enough hints to really nail it down until an actual Boss arc comes out.
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There are a bunch of other very good reasons besides the alibi, but it is one of those alibis that isn't suspicious. How do you text Gin that he can kill Kogoro while you are driving without Conan and Jodie noticing?
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East vs. West detective battle (File 778-???)
Chekhov MacGuffin replied to Chekhov MacGuffin's topic in Manga series
Nice going Detective Kudo on your deduction! I am somewhat ashamed to say that I didn't even put any effort forward because I was disheartened that the case involved a knowledge of the Japanese language. James Black identifying that Sera was a girl right off was interesting. I think that means he met her once and doesn't remember that he did. Maybe he met Akai's family as a group once before, especially if he had a hand in making sure they went to the US from Japan three years ago. -
James Black is one of the few characters who has an alibi: at the time the boss sent an order, James was driving a car with Jodie and Conan in it.
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I just sent you a message about return conditions. Check your inbox again. I'm posting here because maybe your messenger is too full and that's why you aren't getting messages.
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Out of all the police, Megure is in the best position to figure out Shinichi is Conan because he has extensively worked with both of them. Unfortunately Megure also seems a bit dense about some things. Just because Conan's fingerprint isn't registered in a database somewhere doesn't mean that Megure will find out Conan doesn't exist. There isn't any reason to suspect Conan is an illegal immigrant - he looks, acts, and speaks Japanese and has demonstrated in front of the police an extensive knowledge of Japanese history and culture. Also, the police may have obtained his fingerprints by lifting them from some object he touched at a crime scene without trying to consult a national fingerprint registry. The police must not be crosschecking Conan's fingerprints to a national registry anyway because one Kudo Shinichi would have come up as a match which should have raised some difficult questions a long time ago. The police know that Conan and the FBI have appeared in some cases together, but that doesn't mean they work together. It's a quite an assumption for a police officer to make because it also implies some sort of outlandish situation - like why FBI would work with a seven year old. Exempting the "child kidnapping case which Jodie coincidentally came across and tried to stop" (aka showdown with Vermouth), all of the cases where the police have seen the FBI have been random murder cases and such where the FBI were unrelated to the crime. The police didn't know about the FBI being at the department store bomb scare, and I'm not even sure they took the names of the people involved in the Teito bank robbery considering how scar Akai manged to book it out of there without Jodie getting to him. Megure doesn't know about Akai being FBI either. Conan knows his name when it got taken down by the police after the bus jacking case, but I doubt Akai would have revealed he was an FBI agent at that time. Camel didn't admit to being an FBI agent in a case until he became the top suspect, and in the busjack Akai was less important - just a random unfortunate passenger who was picked to be a body double by the culprits. Akai's "body" was never identified as Akai by the police either; Jodie claimed he was a random man she met at a rest stop. So to sum it up, I strongly doubt Megure will figure out Conan is involved with the FBI considering the cases so far. There aren't solid enough reasons to. As for figuring out Conan is someone suspicious, he has seen almost as much as Takagi, but has yet to say anything even though he knows Shinichi well. That's part of why I think Megure is a bit dense, and Megure doesn't seem like the kind of person to stay silent and try to pull a gambit by waiting for the right moment to catch Conan offguard to make him reveal the truth. Megure may get suspicious later, but it will be because Conan is too bright and too good at deduction rather than because Conan and the FBI are at the same cases sometimes.
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Something about Akai that I don't understand . . .
Chekhov MacGuffin replied to justwantanaccount's topic in Manga series
At Sato's matchup case he used the excuse that he was looking for someone in order to get into the restaurant and look for Vermouth/Araide. After verifying that she wasn't making a move on Sherry or Ran or anyone else he left before he was discovered. The target on the Bus Jack was Sherry. By "target", he was referring to Vermouth's target. It can't be Vermouth because he knew she was in disguise as Araide at the time, so all that's left is Vermouth's target. -
I call Abs.
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If by moving, you mean you want the stuff in the picture to move like this picture does, you need to make a moving picture, i.e. a gif.If you want the picture itself to move, I am not sure the forum supports scrolling text or image options. Also this Q and A thread is more designed for asking questions about DC rather than the DCW forums. You will probably get a better response if you try asking this on the "Ideas and feedback" board.
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Today’s good advice from a grouchy mod: Plagiarizing posts will get you banned. Google will catch you. It’s also unethical. Don’t do it.
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Yes. It's OK to copy posts, but only if you say where you got it from or link back the original. At the very least say the post was copied and isn't yours. By plagiarism I mean copying a post and making it look like you came up with it on your own.
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That's not my style of copying. Art student hate the plagiarism and read too much dissertation that cover with quotes and references! That's in the past, but it leave a deep impression about copyrights. I'm art degree holder.
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I don't think I've ever been angry at you, except for that one time you drank the last of the milk I was saving for breakfast, and maybe that other time you rigged up one of Gosho's tricks and tried it out on me.
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You have a message CC, from a very angry Chekhov. Luckily not angry at you.
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Some women really are naturally flat and stay that way until they have kids and begin nursing. Some of the athletic crowd in my high school and college were really flat, they simply had no excess fat on their bodies at all. It's normal for some people either because of lifestyle of genetics. Sera does Jeet Kune Do, so she is probably active.
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The problem with the cat video is those case culprits just randomly picked Eri's video in order to have a picture of a cat. Conan says it was a coincidence Eri's cat was chosen. Neither Sera nor Okiya had anything to do with what those culprits were doing. There really isn't enough info to know what Sera's real job is. About the only thing we can be reasonably sure of is that she is related to Akai. My point above though was that knowing about law enforcement doesn't imply being in law enforcement, especially if you do detective work and have relatives in it. She could very well be in it though if she was lying about her age as you said. You have probably encountered these before, but in case you haven't: Okiya is Akai theory - includes why he isn't Bourbon Scar Akai is Bourbon theory
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Let me remind you all in case you are thinking about posting links to full length videos not to do that. Lawyers stopped by once before with a take down notice. We don't want that to happen again. (Short clips of important scenes are OK to post, just not full length videos)
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Minor correction, but Bourbon isn't on the run. He's just been dispatched as an agent. No FBI agents were among the hostages at the red shirts case. They were all downstairs and free to run off. Also, he couldn't anticipate that someone would even take the floor hostage. That was a coincidence. Also the plan you are suggesting is extremely stupid. It would be really stupid for the FBI to implement a plan that would intentionally get Kir suspected of being a spy by the Org after all the work they went through to get her back in. She has become their primary source of information on the Org since Akai stopped infiltrating. Her position and the knowledge she brings are more important than drawing out Bourbon. Your plan requires putting her at risk for a plan the FBI can't be sure will work. The FBI can't be sure which BO agent will find out about Akai supposedly being alive first, so the FBI can't be sure that no one will simply kill Kir on a hunch after finding out someone saw someone who looked like Akai is wandering around. I don't think the FBI would do it. Furthermore if this theory implies that Akai is really dead, it would mean that they sacrificed him for nothing. It also means they are putting one of their own agents, the one dressed as scar Akai, directly in the line of fire in a position where he very well may have been shot. If scar Akai was an FBI agent playing bait for the Org, why did the FBI nearly let him get shot? He went outside unexposed while a sniper was pointing at him. Your plan also means the FBI intentionally put ordinary citizens at risk of getting shot. Scar Akai has so far appeared in highly public places, and drawn the Org to set up snipers in one of these highly public places. This goes against prior FBI modus operandi. Maybe scar Akai isn't as good as Subaru/the real Akai, despite Gin's comments? Also, scar Akai was using a phone he "borrowed" (likely pickpocketed because who would lose their phone in a hostage situation?) to send the deduction. Maybe he didn't have access to the internet. Conan had to use the internet to find out about the mountain case. Subaru had to use the internet via his phone. Or maybe Gin would think Jodie was trying to stop him from going outside where he could be shot which would imply Kir was still a traitor. That was Jodie's intention after all. Another possibility is that Gin would think that scar Akai was trying to stay away from Jodie because he hadn't meant to be caught after faking his death. The FBI can't read Gin's mind, so this plan is leaving far too much up to chance. Again this is relying too much on chance and assuming that the FBI are somehow able to read the various BO member's minds here. How can the FBI predict that Vermouth would arrive in time, or even at all? If scar Akai is just another agent working for the FBI, why should Vermouth care if he is killed? ========================================================================================================== Or maybe she is just knowledgeable about that sort of thing because her older brother works in law enforcement, and used to live in Japan? What!? I am not sure how this conclusion makes sense from the premises you gave.
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Purpose of that computer program by Itakura?
Chekhov MacGuffin replied to justwantanaccount's topic in General
Based on the journal, it sounded like Itakura was programming "The Thing" on his own before he was contacted by the Org, and then stopped because of his eye-sight. The Org later contacted him because they wanted him to restart work on the program. Itakura’s program is something an ordinary person would program; specifically someone who programmed games. It probably was a personal project of Itakura's as he was able to stop developing it on a whim; something he wouldn't be able to do so easily if he was paid to make it. If it is a personal project, it doesn't have to be specifically related to games. It could be something related to game development like artificial intelligence, networking, modeling, rendering, etc, or it could be something completely different. That the BO could find out about it in the first place probably indicates that Itakura didn't keep it secret. That means it probably not a virus or something highly illegal Itakura would not want to speak of, although modified it may have those applications. Although I am not really confident with this, I believe that the computer research program is a project that is working towards the same goal as, but independent of, the APTX 4869 project. I have three main suspicions about what the Org is trying to do with the computer programming agenda. One is to enhance the abilities of the mind through computer interfaces, basically to augment the brain with data stored on a computer. The problem here though is that this is a worthwhile goal, not something someone would not want to complete for the sake of humanity. The second is to create a vast information and monitoring network. I got this idea from the Sherlock Holmes canon. "He [Moriarty] sits motionless, like a spider in the centre of its web, but that web has a thousand radiations, and he knows well every quiver of each of them". It would certainly help with crime, and would also fit the bill for being bad for humanity, but why would Itakura, a game programmer, be working on something like this to begin with, even if it was a personal project? Keep in mind Itakura's project likely wasn't secret. The third theory is based on a recent suspicion that the Org's real goal is to be able to preserve one's mind eternally while maintaining mobility. One way to accomplish the goal would be to retard aging indefinitely - basically immortality which is what the biochem agenda is after IMO. Another way would to be able to create a perfect replica of the thought processes of a human on a computer, basically digitizing people. It is an AI based project, which fits for a game programmer, would require the smartest programmers known, and taken to a logical extreme becomes bad for humanity. However I also think it is also kind of "out there" for a theory. So in conclusion, I don't know.- 21 replies
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The name of the boss has been included. Gosho never made it clear the boss him/herself appeared yet.