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Boss of The Black Organization?

Who is the boss?  

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  1. 1. Who is the boss?

    • New Character (not yet introduced)
    • Minor Character (appeared once or a few times before, such as a case suspect or in a case flashback)
    • Other known character not specifically mentioned below (Recurring characters)
    • Relative of known character (not yet introduced)
    • Someone else
    • Agasa Hiroshi
    • James Black
    • Miyano Atsushi
    • Elena Miyano
    • Okino Yoko
    • Okiya Subaru/Akai Shuuichi
    • Yamamura Misae
    • Matsumoto Kiyonaga
    • Kudo Yuusaku
    • Mouri Kogoro
    • Kisaki Eri
    • Sharon Vineyard
    • Gin


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List of threads and the best posts arguing whether individual characters are or aren't the boss.
If you are thinking of replying to any of the posts, please remember some of the users who made these posts are no longer active and may not reply. Also, just because a user gives evidence in support or against a certain theory doesn't mean they believe it. Some people like to change their minds, test out an idea, or play devil's advocate.

General
Discussion of clues that could narrow down possible boss candidates. (Separate thread)
The gender of the boss (Separate thread)
Gin and Vodka's names are in the Mermaid Guestbook
The boss's name appeared before File 551

Individual Characters

Agasa Hiroshi
Interview where Gosho confirms Agasa is not the boss
Agasa is not the boss (Separate thread)
Reasons for (Akazora)
Reasons against (Kaine-Sherlockian)
Reasons for (Ace Detective)

James Black
Reasons for (Akazora)
Reasons for (Vicky)
Reasons against (Chekhov MacGuffin)

Miyano Atsushi
Reasons for (Xcommando)
Discussion (justwantanaccount)
Reasons for and against (Schwa)
Reasons for (Retro)

Elena Miyano
Discussion (justwantanaccount)
Reasons for and against (Schwa)

Okino Yoko
Reasons for (Akazora)
Reasons for (Akazora)
Reasons against (Chekhov MacGuffin)
Reasons for (greaterbeastxellas)
Reasons for (Charala97)

Okiya Subaru
Reasons against (Glass Heart)

Kudo Yuusaku
Link to interview where Gosho confirms Kudo Yuusaku is not the boss
Reasons for (Glass Heart)
Reasons against (Stopwatch)

Mouri Kogoro
Reasons against (Chekhov MacGuffin)

Kisaki Eri
Reasons for (Glass Heart)
Reasons for (Glass Heart)
Reasons against Part 1 Part 2 (Chekhov MacGuffin)
Reasons for Part 2 Part 2 (KirisatoSei)
Reasons against (User 4869)
Reasons for (ccrogers15)

Miyano Akemi
Reasons against (Scar Akai)

Karasuwa Renya
Karasuwa Renya (justwantanaccount)
Karasuwa Renya - arguments against (Chekhov MacGuffin)
Karasuwa Renya - arguments for Part 1 Part 2 (Black Demon)

Kuroba Toichi
Kuroba Toichi - Reasons for (aika)
Kuroba Toichi - Reasons for (kkrazy1412)
Kuroba Toichi - reasons against (User 4869)

Other
Daikoku Rentaro (Mermaid guestbook) (justwantanaccount)
Mermaid guestbook name translations {Daikoku Rentarou} (Chekhov MacGuffin)
Kaneshirou Genichirou (Scar Akai)
Vermouth's Husband - general musings (Chekhov MacGuffin)
Vermouth's Husband - general musings (Black Demon)
Kobayashi Sumiko - Reasons for and against (Glass heart)
Tokyo spirits - general musings (Akazora)
Yamamura - reasons for (Dusty)
Suzuki Shiro - reasons for (bosshunter)
Shiratori Ninzaburou - reasons for (Dusty)
Shiratori Ninzaburou - reasons against (User 4869)
Kazumi Tsukamoto - reasons for (shiningstar)
Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko- reasons for (emilyy418)
Not one of the residents of Souhei Dejima's house (Chekhov MacGuffin)
Kojima Genji - reasons for and against (ChaosBeing)

Commentary by Username
Detective Shinichi on the Case Closed Casebook
Glass Heart Seven Crows, seven codenamed members of the Org?
Akakata Facts about the boss
Chekhov MacGuffin Boss related to Kogoro's past
Chekhov MacGuffin Part 1 Part 2 Info about the boss and evidence against common candidates
Akazora Part 1 Part 2 Boss characteristics
Black Demon Part 1 Part 2 Thoughts on Nanatsu no ko
The Black Demon Boss not completely in charge?
Akazora Boss is a Nazi
Black Demon Suspicious people
Amontillado Suspicious people
Silver.Bullet Musings on anokata
Chekhov MacGuffin Mermaid guestbook name translations (Ooguro / Daikoku Rentarou)
Cocoa - commentary about favorite boss theories
KirisatoSei - Pondering the "Ai will be surprised" info
Quol Part 1 Part 2 - Thoughts on Vermouth's relationship with the boss
Chekhov MacGuffin Part 1 Part 2 - Thoughts on Vermouth's relationship with the boss





I believe I had read somewhere that the boss of The Black Organization has been shown in the manga (anime, too, I would assume?) at least one time. Although, I'm unsure if it was only the possibility of his/her name, or if they were actually physically shown.

If I'm not mistaken, Gosho Aoyama said it in an interview, though I'm skeptical because I haven't had any luck finding it to use as a source.
(If you can find it, please let me know!)

Anyway, what do you guys think? Maybe it's a bit too difficult to find that one possible character that could be the boss through over 500 episodes and over 700 chapters, but do you guys have any suspicions as to who it could be? Or just a comment about him or her in general? cool.gif
How about what the Black Organization's purpose is? I don't remember where I read it, but I heard something about one of their goals being to raise the dead. Also, there was a comment about immortality, which seems the most interesting to me — after all, has the mystery ever been solved as to why Vermouth is actually so old, yet remains youthful even without make-up and disguise?
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well, i can def say that i have no clue who to even speculate could be the boss, but if it was said in an interview, it could have been one of the smallest characters used, ever, and may not have even been included in an actual BO episode... anyways, for the heck of it, maybe the boss was that Granny Yamamura...

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It could be Subaru Okiya but I think him more as Bourbon than the boss..

Hahahahahaha Aoyama introducing himself into the series- that would be so epic x'D

LOL I cannot imagine Yamamura as the boss.. But maybe.

That would be so random and weird though O_O;

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no YAMAMURA'S GRANNY is da boss, and okiya subaru, we believe him to be akai shuuichi in disguise and the one who looks like akai with the burnt face is the real bourbon

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Obama....sitting in his study room...with an expensive picture on the wall and light flashed onto his guest's face.... wait... this is Valley of fear... gotta change my idea

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hahahahahhaha *can't breathe cuz laughing too hard* hahahahahahah *wheeze* haaaa...... *cough* *hack* *gasp* ok i can breathe now ... B.O. Aka.... barack obama.... hahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahaha *dies*

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yeah, guessin is the fun part, like saying that... oooooh maybe megure is the real boss of the BO, and he's hiding himself among the police on purpose... y'know? it could be anything and its fun to guess and debate

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yeah, guessin is the fun part, like saying that... oooooh maybe megure is the real boss of the BO, and he's hiding himself among the police on purpose... y'know? it could be anything and its fun to guess and debate

hhh it will be amazing :wink:

ya about DR.agasa being the boss its impossible

remember when (vermouth took conan with her and her boss told her (he gave her a lot of freedom come back )something like this >>

DR.Agasa was in a car listening to them !!!(you know its like impossible ) :roll:

anyways let me guess ....ummm

shiratori maybe :P

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yeah, guessin is the fun part, like saying that... oooooh maybe megure is the real boss of the BO, and he's hiding himself among the police on purpose... y'know? it could be anything and its fun to guess and debate

Or is it the superintendent?

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no i doubt it... in move 13 the superintendent is taken hostage... the boss wouldnt be that easy to take and he would never allow it... so basically it cant bet (even though it isnt real they can't contradict the actual storyline... that's why in movie 13 they had to kill irish off)

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