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That is YOUR opinion. You're opinion on relationships is not law. End of story. Nothing you say, believe or feel, can dictate how another person feels or believes. Just because someone might have a conflicting belief or way of showing affection does not mean it is any less valid. There ARE people who show affection by causing pain. They are called SADISTS (wow there is ACTUALLY A WORD FOR IT), granted they are usually coupled with a masochist, but hey! THEY EXIST. Those who derive pleasure from the giving and receiving of pain and humiliation, in an endearing and healthy relationship. Your word and views are not law. The world is a big place and there are countless ways to show affection, and despite your belief, causing pain and humiliation is indeed one of them. Also, Haibara's personality type is not the issue here, nor does it have anything to do with the issue at hand. Being stoic has nothing to do with how one acts in a relationship, only with how they deal with emotions (and Haibara doesn't even FIT entirely into that category, she is not DEVOID of those emotions she CHOOSES not to show them, she isn't indifferent, and she allows herself to feel emotions at certain times, which CONFLICTS with the philosophy of stoicism) And friendship is a choice, and friends come and go all the time. The span of time in which Haibara has known Conan is NOT enough time to consider their friendship committed. Neither is Ayumi for that matter. At this stage, I'd hesitate to say whether any of the three have any real feelings of interest between each other outside of INFATUATION. (They have all known each other for LESS than a year). As much as I shipped the pairing of ShinShi, I'm really getting tired of those debates, hence I stopped participating. I'm letting Gosho tell it (though he seems to be failing at that too since he cannot even complete the damned emotional arc of the characters after the London Case). PS: I'm not saying that Haibara is a sadist, I'm just stating that there are many ways to show affection and that happens to be one of them. PS #2: No matter what is posted after me I'm not posting again. This is going no where fast and I don't want to waste any more time on another pointless debate. I have more important things to attend to than a debate on relationships, and their implications in a fictional world.

Will be brief... My point was that you don't know that. You do not have the mind of every woman, and you cannot predict how every woman would react, especially not a fictional character. Whether or not Haibara would do that to someone she cares about is unknown. Being in a committed relationship or not does not mean she could not have reacted in that manner especially since good friends do that stuff to each other all the bloody time, and you cannot call that a committed relationship. It is how she chose to deal with it, end of story. It is not a measure of how much she does or does not care for him.

That really didn't strike me as that kind of look. I really don't think Ai of all people would reveal when she is actually pissed, same way she doesn't show when she is sad or worried. The emotions have to be extremely strong for her to show any emotion. That to me is more of a mischievous look more than anything. And mischievous can be playful (and often is). And there is no relevance because an 8 year old will not react the same way as an adult in that situation. It just doesn't happen. Which is why I brought it up. You cannot compare how any TWO people will react to a given situation, let alone an 8 year old and an 18 year old who has more life experience than some 30 year olds. The point of bringing that up is that you brought up that Ayumi would not have reacted in the same way and therefore cares more. She could not react in the same way as their ages and life experiences are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, it is a pointless line of argument. Ayumi will NEVER react the same way to a given situation as Ai, and she will never show affection the same way as Ai either. They are two completely different characters, with different motivations, different experiences, different backgrounds, hell the only thing about them that is similar is their gender. You cannot use "Oh well Ayumi cares more for Conan because she reacted in x,y,z way and Haibara reacted in a,b,c," because that is how they CHOOSE to deal with things. Ayumi is still VERY young and may change, a lot. In fact I expect her to change because of the crap Conan puts her and the rest of the DBoys through. I'm quite frankly surprised they all don't need therapy at this point (granted Ai probably needs it more than anyone considering what she has been through). But my point was and is that Ai reacted in the way that suited HER and not Ayumi. It doesn't mean anything more than that. Ayumi chose NOT to react. One can surmise that it was probably in fear of how Conan would react in return, which shows her own immaturity because she has no conviction in her actions or confidence in the object of her affection as she probably fears retaliating would hurt how he views her.

Wow... So all women your age act the same way? And all the women your age already have a Ph.D and have worked in an advanced lab for ~5 years? AND grew up in a different country without your parents or family?! Wow! That is amazing! I had no idea your life experiences could account for ALL women in that age range so you could make such a judgement! You have shown me the err of my ways! Seriously though... You can't make judgement on that. And by the by, A LOT can happen in a few short years too. ESPECIALLY after going to college, which I assume you haven't done being the age you are (younger than Shiho). And yeah... I have seen MUCH worse being done in a playful way for punishment of doing something the other party didn't like. That was nothing really and did come off as more playful than mean spirited. Haibara is creative, she would have done something a mite bit worse if she really wanted to be mean spirited in that. She set it up so that she and Ayumi could be even with Conan, which she did. It was a ploy to get even with Conan, nothing more. And believe me, that is even MORE common. EDIT: Apologies if the excessive sarcasm came off harsh, I just hate when people make inferences about others based of their own limited life experiences.

I won't get involved in the actual shipping debate, I've done that enough... IHKF, you are comparing the reactions of a 7 year old to an 18 year old woman. Despite what their apparent ages may be, how Ai reacts and how Ayumi reacts will be completely different regardless. And there are PLENTY of women who would do such things to their lover. It is actually quite common. It isn't about being tsundere, its about being playful. You don't need to be a kid to play pranks nor do you have to be immature. In fact, you have to be closer to someone you would play a prank on, lest they take it the wrong way (unless the prank truly is harmless fun). PS: It seems that you are always in a shipping debate of some kind, trying to convert others or justify your position...

Be nice eh? That may be asking too much of me... Hmm... *rubs chin* I shall see what I can do to accommodate that request. Either way! Welcome to DCW. Enjoy your stay I AM MAD SCIENTIST! ITS SO COOOOOOOL! Sonuvabitch!

You do realize that Gosho draws inspiration from a number of literary sources, including Conan Doyle, Agatha Christie, Edogawa Rampo, Maurice LeBlanc et al. Now I see where you are coming from, but this is no surprise, and so long as Gosho doesn't directly plagiarize anyone there are no issues. Not to mention the fact that most of his characters are well known archetypes.

To be fair, I only use that large of a range, because it is impossible to accurately assess Shiho's IQ, based on how much we know or rather don't know about her. Estimating IQ is near impossible. My assessment was based on age variants and her apparent achievements. Chek, those custom protein inhibitors have previous knowledge and use the same mechanics as many other protein inhibitors. Creating those are quite easy actually because of the methodology involved. They are being made using usually previous cancer research (unless I'm misunderstanding what you are saying). What Shiho did for the BO was create an entirely new drug that had no precursor other than the vague notion of using apoptosis as a means to kill (impossible btw) and be undetectable. Compare that to the people creating new targeted drugs not based on anything. Most of them are Ph.D researchers in their late 20s to early 30s. People under 30 make new drugs all the time, but usually they are using research and methodology already known to suit their needs. Hell, I've designed a drug in a lab (which my professor synthesized) to be used in an experiment. But it was based off of the target's properties and was based off of a similar drug that affected a similar protein.

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Did you read what I wrote? I'm going by the set standards not by the taken average. So yes, according to both, 110 is quite literally just hitting above average intelligence or upper end of average intelligence. This is all based off of a bell curve. In terms of population average (which btw is horrible and can never be accurate) then yes 110 is well above the average in the us. And 140-180 is entirely fair because there is a SD of 16 or 15. Not to mention you have to take relative age into consideration. As someone who completed a Ph.D program in their early teens, I would not be surprised if she got higher than 180 at that point in time. As of being 18 one could estimate that time caught up with her and she would be 130-150, but she also did something that is insanely difficult to do, which is design a lethal drug that is undetectable (which was completely new with no other basis). Most people don't design drugs until well into their 30s, it isn't like designing a program. So I'd still estimate that she is well within genius territory of 152+ or 140+. Oh yeah and nice job choosing scientists who died long before any of these tests were available, so no actual measure of their intelligence exists.

Actually, considering the scale and the standard deviation, yeah 5 points isn't a lot... The DISTRIBUTION is another matter entirely. Statistical distribution of a standardized test tends to be a bell curve, and the percentile is what matters. Technically if the average is 105 (as per Japan) you are still in the 50th percentile of the curve (very much so in fact) (BTW, this is all using Stanford-Binet, which uses a standard deviation of 16). So for Shiho to have an IQ of 110, means she is on the higher end of average, hell that even includes the Wechsler scale as well (which uses a standard deviation of 15). Shiho is anything but average (or slightly above average). She is genius level, graduating from what is assumed to be a Ph.D program in Biochemistry before the age of 13 (this is a must, because she was working as a scientist for the BO at this time, and had developed the drug by the age of 18) This means that she graduated from UNDERGRADUATE college before he had hit the age of 10! According to Stanford-Binet, a person with that level of intelligence would have 152+ and Wechsler would have 140+. Either way, 110 is SEVERELY undercutting it. Feel free to disagree, but you gotta do better than that waka-chan <3. So my statement of estimate of 140-180 should be approximately right on either scale. Hell on the Stanford-Binet scale she would have to be in the ball park of around 150 AT LEAST. @IHKF and EdogawaConan: You two have SEVERE misconceptions on the concept of IQ tests and how they are run and how they measure IQ. MEMORY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! Of everything that is tested, there is actually NO WAY to confidently test memory in a controlled setting, hence it is not used. Look up the tests that I referenced, please.

I actually like the sound of the first song more than the second, but the latter song isn't bad either. There is certainly potential with either. Perhaps this will make up for the abhorrent opening. Grram seems to be a quality new group which makes me happy. This is as opposed to Naifu whom made me want to take a naifu to my ears. (I seriously hate that band...)

Ask to join as a scientist. I mean, top of the line equipment in biochemistry? Yes please. Chances are they'd make a killer cover for me too and I could make a name for myself in legitimate research as well as the other stuff.

What about agasa? You are going to make the genius inventor cry. Also ihkf 110 is barely above average. Considering that she is 18 and already seemingly has a Ph.D, one can assume her IQ is in the 150-180 range at least. She has genius level intellect. And IQ only goes up to 200, so yeah 400 is impossible. Also IQ is not how much info you can remember. IQ = intelligence quotient. It is a measure of many things, but it is mostly a measure of how you process information and how fast you process it, as well as creative problem solving and retention. I haven't taken an IQ test in some time, but I don't recall there being many informational questions on it. There is a memorization and recall section, however considering she is a biochemist, she should have no problems there. Biochemistry is pretty much all memorization and she can calculate extremely well as well, so active and retention should both be high. PS: I never thought that being forced to take an IQ test for school would have come in handy.

Happy birthday Maurice. <3

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