Chekhov MacGuffin

That sounds like the grey planner, which was not connected to the BO as far as anyone knows. Are you sure your facts are straight? Vodka did not have Vermouth's permission or invitation to go on the Halloween party ship. In fact, she had no idea Vodka was going be on the ship at all. Vodka snuck on at the boss's and Gin's orders, keeping secret from Vermouth, because they wanted to spy on her because they were worried about what she was up to. Vermouth as Vineyard had nothing to do with the ghost ship's financing either. The ghost ship is arranged as a interest/fundraiser and to find fans who are good at horror acting and makeup who could play roles in the movie. They have other sources of money. Conan thinks they make money from assassination. They also make other money from their fundraising division which Pisco was a part of. Also we don't know if Vermouth is a shareholder in any companies.

I like Gin as an article that isn't bad as it stands, but maybe the extra attention would bring about some improvement. Vermouth is pretty solid article. We just had a Black Org character as a featured page though. Juzo Megure could use the attention for improvement purposes. The Okiya is Akai theory... that one just makes me feel self conscious. I like Vehicles in Detective Conan myself. How about I just start a poll and we add suggestions as we go and then have a runoff?

Have we a link yet?

Because there is no evidence they have any chance of being Bourbon or relevant to this arc. Technically all the characters are Bourbon candidates, but only a few really have anything going for them. It would be a waste to clog the poll with random options. At this point it's pretty much Okiya, Scar Akai, Sera, and Amuro. Camel and Koumei are there because they are fairly new, and the Akai re-infiltrating theory was sort of popular at one point.

We might get some suspects next file, which is why I have left out the poll. As much as I would like Ai to take the antidote, it is Conan who has the cold. Either way though, this does bode well for upcoming developments. I also like the look of this mystery train. I hope we make up for the lack of Subaru snow skiing with a train case. It would be interesting if the final Bourbon clash took place on a train. Sera definitely deliberately tracked down the Detective boys and Agasa, probably to get at Haibara whom she hasn't met closely yet. Credit for Sonoci posting this first, but I agree with her that Amuro is interested in Agasa because of the car chase in File 800, and doubly so because Sera was asking about him. Sonoci thinks Amuro is wrongly placing Agasa's name to Okiya's face, but it could be that Amuro thinks the mysterious guy-he-doesn't-know-the-name-of is connected with Agasa, not actually Agasa. Both work at the current stage of things. Regarding what Okiya means with the territory line, I think it's a gentle warning for Ai to stay back because Akai doesn't want her to get too involved in case Okiya comes into the firing line for some reason. I think Ai is being a bit melodramatic about what she thinks Okiya means. EDIT: Sonoci has a 4Koma about Amuro's possible Agasa mixup that I would like to post, but will give her the chance to first.**COUGH HINT HINT COUGH** She never came so here it is. All Credit to the glorious SONOCI!!!!

It's time for a new featured article. Suggestions? Past featured articles can be found here: http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/Category:Featured_articles

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I think the problem is on your end. That was deleted on April 8, about 2 hours after it first appeared. I don't know why it would show up after that.

Every now and then somebody paid to put spam on random wikis targets this one, often the Black Org page. Usually it gets reverted quickly. The reason I am asking is because the last time someone spammed the page was April 8. which is about two and a half weeks ago. It might be a problem on your end with page caching. What exactly do mean by "summary" and what did the webpage look like when you saw the summary? Did it look like this?

Forked your post into a separate topic. Can you explain what happened in a bit more detail?

I do think Bourbon has a good chance of being the "loyalty-may-be-questionable" type like Vermouth. Gin commented that Bourbon was secretive like Vermouth, but Amuro seems to be like her in other ways. If we look at Amuro's attachments, he still cares about people in his civilian life (Date Wataru) which means he is not completely ruthless and could sympathize with a story (true or not) Vermouth might tell him about why Conan and Ran are important to her. Regarding the risk Vermouth was taking mentioning Conan and Ran, I think he forced her hand. Amuro was probably suspicious of Kogoro from the start because of the Ding Dong Dash case. (Scar Akai had Kogoro's number well before Amuro appeared) When Amuro was researching targets and trying to convince the boss/Vermouth of his plan to find the not-dead Akai, she heard about his intent concerning the Mouri family and made him make the promise in exchange for her help and support because it was better than her doing nothing and hoping Amuro didn't destroy the Mouris. I agree with this.

Akai has met Shiho in person because 1) His mission was to get close to Shiho using Akemi in order to gain entry and status to move up the Organization. This would be hard to do without some face to face time. 2) Akai said at the end of the Vermouth showdown he was not ready to face to Shiho. (V42-10 pg 13) Considering Shiho was lying unconscious on the ground when Akai left he meant it both figuratively and literally. 3) Conan explicitly says that Shiho most likely knows Akai's face. (File 605 pg 9) 4) In recent chapters Haibara remembers Akai (as Dai) with Akemi in pictures rather than just text suggesting that she has seen them together.

I'd love to see you show some evidence of this. Also, Akai was curious. When he was watching Conan call Rena's boss's he asked Jodie about who Conan was, but like I said before, he is busy, and doesn't have much to start from. Because he is undercover. If Akai thought the rest of the FBI would be able to do a good job of hiding their real reactions and acting well, he would have told them about his plan with Rena and Camel to return her to the Org. But he didn't think so, so he kept it a secret. If he thought the FBI would be able to ask realistically and maintain the secret when he faked his death with Kir and Conan's help he would have told the FBI about it. But he didn't think so, so he kept it a secret. The Black Org is watching the FBI.http://forum.dctp.ws/index.php?topic=402.msg37837#msg37837

Basically you are saying that because Akai was curious and really wanted to know Conan's identity, he therefore does know it. Your logic doesn't makes sense because Akai doesn't just magically learn something because he wants to know the truth. You are overlooking that Conan's secret isn't easy to figure out and Akai has to do a lot of investigation to get there. 1) Akai had known and met Shiho before, so when he finally got a good look at Haibara, he could easily connect the two. Akai doesn't know Shinichi and had been out of the country when Shinichi disappeared and thus had missed all of Shinichi's cases in the news and stuff because he was in America. 2) Furthermore, in the middle of all of the stuff going on in the Vermouth arc, we have Shinichi doing things that make him and Conan look like different people to trick Ran, including recruiting Haibara and taking an antidote so that Conan and Shinichi would be in the same place at the same time. Jodie took pictures of this as part of her snooping, so even if Akai had suspicions, they would be dampened by some impossibility he would have to explain. 3) Akai is really busy. He is trying to keep an eye on Haibara, tracking Vermouth, then tracking the Black Org and doing whatever he can to interfere. When Red vs. Black finally rolls around and Akai really gets to meet Conan up close and personal, he's so busy he barely sleeps. Even if he is curious, his research time is going to sapped by his life and job. Now as Okiya, he has free time.... (Copied from here) Conan doesn't want Okiya to learn much about Shinichi - because Conan is paranoid even around friendlies. Conan hid all his pictures and family albums and told Ran not to talk about Shinichi around Okiya. As stated before, Conan is a paranoid person even when he is pretty sure the people he is cooperating with are friendlies. He didn't trust Jodie right up until Vermouth revealed herself ("The Truth Behind the Mask" 42-9 (433)). Limiting the number of people who know information that could get everyone around you killed is a good idea in general. The syndicate has gotten the better of the FBI in past cases and the org probably spies on the FBI heavily. Thus if it isn’t necessary, Conan would probably prefer the FBI doesn’t know his true identity.

Akai had not heard of Shinichi before he became Okiya. Unlike the case with Haibara who he had met as Shiho, even if he strongly suspected Conan was like her, he had no hints as to who Conan was before. Akai's first hint to who Conan might be came came when Conan lended him the keys to Shinichi's house which he then searched, and then got more later when Ran and Sonoko came over to clean. Also, even though Akai knew about the voice changer, he was confirming Conan was using it to make Shinichi's voice thus proving he was Shinichi.

I lean this way too because of what he said, but I refuse to get off the fence because not trying to stop her seems reckless.

For posterity's sake: A discussion of potential flaws in the roller coaster murder case.

Do tell.Am going to edit your posts together if/when you do post because I hate posts where people say something exists, but then don't post it and leave everyone in the lurch...