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  1. Conan barely did anything worthy of attention until the end. I have a feeling Conan is just going to give one or two minor leading hints and Amuro is going to steal the show instead of Conan using the bowtie and tranquilizer on Kogoro. If it is that way, Conan wouldn't do anything too bad in front of Amuro, even though I want Conan to mess up. *Wishes Conan would dart Amuro instead of Kogoro* Also Ran showed some interest in the DNA testing. She seems suspicious but hiding it. I wonder if she wants to DNA test Conan and Shinichi...
  2. Spoilerama courtesy the awesome Zenthisoror for the DCTP spoiler cbox! Title: DNA Tests Banba: "A detective? That's so weird! Why the hell are you dressed like a waiter?" Amuro: "I asked Hatsune to choose the restaurant where I was being employed...in order to observe your behaviour. She'd asked me to investigate whether there was a chance you were involved with some woman, with you being as you are. That's why I dropped the cake on purpose." "I dropped the cake on you in the hope that you'd be too embarrassed to approach a woman...as it turned out, you got along pretty well with them without any sign of embarrassment whatsoever...anyway, far from being able to carry out my work... Hatsune herself has been burnt to death...but as for the situation I was investigating, perhaps he in the sunglasses will be able to shed some light on this? After all, he just happened to be there during the report on the progress so far of preliminary investigations..." Megure: "Who are you?!" Amuro: "My guess is that he's a detective...he'd been employed by Banba to find out who his girlfriend had been meeting in secret lately...he managed to work out the secret meeting place, but the man she was meeting was wearing a hat and a hoodie and his face wasn't discernible...and then he realized that the voice of that hooded man was similar to that of me, a waiter." "That is why he called me over to make his order, to check my voice...and then by some signal or other he indicated to Banba that I and Hastune's secret visitor were one and the same person. Just beforehand, he called Banba out to the toilet so that he could warn him that said mystery gentleman might just possibly be inside the restaurant...and that he was now going to investigate further. Isn't that so?" Haruoka: "In...in...indeed! To think that you were a detective...I tried to follow you and got thoroughly put down." Takagi: "But, you were going to marry her, knowing that she was seeing somebody else?" Mouri: "Wouldn't you normally ask the lady herself?" Banba: "Haruoka told me that she hadn't seen the guy since that one meeting, and I thought she'd turn on me if she found out I'd been investigating her! We're really close, after all, we trusted each other enough to tell each other that we were both adopted as kids..." Mouri: "If you'd asked me, I would have revealed this guy to be a detective straight away!" Banba: "But you're too famous now. Everybody knows your face...and I was hoping to introduce you later to Hatsune." Mouri: "But if you'd left it to me....You know, she might've committed suicide because this guy told her on the phone about your loutish behaviour..." Amuro: "I didn't say anything about that." Banba: "She said goodbye. She was crying..." He shows the inspector his phone record at 8:54pm. The 110 call occurred at 9:21pm... Megure makes a comment about the thirty minute gap between the incident and the call... Ran: "That's because we tried to call the ambulance and fire brigade first and that was more of a hassle than we anticipated... but by the time the ambulance arrived....the fire inside of the car was apparently completely out of control..." Conan ponders on why the car was burning in such an extravagant manner...Ran tells him that every now and again there had been some smaller explosions... Takagi explains that that was probably due to the large bulk of aerosols, paper and cardboard inside the car. Megure asks Banba why they'd had these items. Banba replies that after the party the two of them had been planning to stencil their car with spray paint. Then they'd turn up to the wedding in it, and surprise everybody. Banba: "If you think I'm lying look at my mail. There's a message saying we'd got together all the items we needed." Megure looks at the "I'll be back in 30 mins" message from the nail salon, and starts saying that Banba knew about the inflammable materials in the car and what time she'd be coming back to the restaurant....and the skin sample under the nail was a pretty close match...so you could possibly...he theorizes... Amuro: "You say pretty close...but it's possible that with the rain and the dirt...unless you're a relative, a near match would basically indicate..." Amuro casts a glance of suspicion in Banba's direction. Banba: "What?!" He starts to throw himself at Amuro, but Amuro steps lightly out of the way and says (perhaps with exaggeration), Amuro: "Please stop...." Mouri calms down Banba whilst Conan notices something on the sole of one of Banba's shoe. Conan: "Hmm? So how did he..." Banba agrees to a more exact DNA test and goes off with Takagi. Conan: "Well, once we get a proper result things will become a little clearer...we can start thinking about the trick after that." Ran: "But DNA tests are pretty incredible, aren't they?" Conan: "Yeah, I guess they are." Ran: "I mean, if somebody changed their entire appearance, you'd still be able to tell who they are..." Conan: "Ye...Yeah..." Takagi tells Megure that the key to the case might be the one door from the back of the shop into the carpark. If somebody had gone in and out of the front entrance, somebody would remember... You could also get to the carpark by getting out of the toilet... Underneath the window there's a huge puddle of water...if somebody had gone through that there ought to be some footprints inside... There's nobody in the shop with dirty hems or shoes... Later, they talk about how windy it was the time of the crime...and how Hatsune's umbrella had been blown away to the other end of the car park... Conan: "The wind? True...it was rather windy when we arrived at the shop..." Megure gathers the two detectives, Haruka and Amuro. Megure: "Do you know of any disputes? Any worries that were dire enough to push somebody towards suicide?" Haruoka: "Hmm, not really. Banba was a bit shocked when I told him she'd met a man....more recently, I think he was concerned about these mysterious phone calls she'd been covertly making to somebody...although, she was probably just talking to this here person..." Amuro: "Ah...no...my communication with her was entirely by mail...in terms of face to face meetings, the one time was the one you observed...however, there was one time when her face seemed to cloud over briefly... I'd been investigating Banba and I found out that she and he had both been rescued from a burning hotel...and they'd been raised without knowledge of their parentage in a church community... " Conan: "Eh?" Megure: "So the two of them both lost their parents in the fire?" "Probably...the two of them were babies at the time." Megure: "So the two were childhood friends?" Amuro: "No...he found a foster family straight away...she stayed at the church for a bit longer..." Megure: "But why would that make Hatsune suddenly grim?" Amuro: "Who knows? She said she'd continue that line of investigation herself." Conan: "Hey, Ran-neesan? Hatsune's height...she was little shorter than you wasn't she?" Ran: "Yes...but she was wearing high heeled boots so she might have only been about 150cm." Conan: "The average height for a woman is about 159 isn't it?" Chiba confirms that the corpse is lacking one false nail. Conan runs outside and asks the crime scene investigators where they'd found Hatsune's umbrella. At that spot, the tyres and car bodies act as rainshields and so the ground is hardly dirty at all... Conan finds a false nail there, with some blood and skin on its tip and he tells the investigator. Conan: "If I'm not mistaken...this should make everything clear...who took away her life...and...if everything is as I have deduced... (he glances at Banba) a sorrowful truth will be revealed, on the eve of a wedding...one which it would have been better not to have known." Done!
  3. I'm not sure there is going to be one by itself.Special Note: I started a general Amuro Tooru page, but it isn't mainspaced yet because there is only one chapter of material to work from. If you want to edit it, you can find it here: http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/User:Chekhov_MacGuffin/Tooru_Amuro It still needs a picture of the guy in glasses, a plot summary, speculation, and minor corrections.
  4. Who are these people who keep voting for Okiya!? 8 votes now?
  5. I'd like to thank everyone for copying their deductions over into this thread. I'm with everyone else that he's a strong Bourbon candidate. I like the idea of him owning a detective agency instead of coming up with work as needed. (Later edit: This turned out not to be the case though.) Amuro Tohru is Bourbon is Scar Akai See also the DCTP link. Also consider referencing the Bourbon is Scar Akai theory. Index Amuro is Bourbon is Scar Akai . . . Direct Evidence . . . Literary device arguments . . . Minor points - i.e. weak arguments Miscellaneous . . . Amuro is not Akai . . . Amuro is not a spy infiltrating the Black Organization - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Direct Evidence ∎ Amuro is a skilled detective, yet chooses unethical courses of action that are harmful to others. Amuro is a detective and very skilled at intelligence gathering as Bourbon was stated to be. That said, unlike other detectives so far, Amuro is a calculating type who chooses avoidable courses of action (or non-action) that may result in harm to others that the "ethical detectives" in the series would have found unconscionable. • Amuro doesn't intervene when a suspect he knows to be innocent is half a step from destroying his exonerating evidence because it seems he was testing Kogoro. . . . . Although it appeared he messed up in his introductory case, Amuro likely threw case on purpose to test Kogoro/Conan (depending on how much he knows) which will be explained below. While other characters have tested detectives by throwing cases before (ex. Sera and Conan, Hattori and Conan), what makes this case different from the others is that Amuro was prepared to let the innocent suspect destroy the proof of his evidence had Kogoro (really Conan) not intervened at the last second. This kind of recklessness was not warranted because Kogoro had given no indication of understanding the case or noticing the clues, and Conan has not spoken up about the critical clue either. . . . . Amuro deliberately antagonizes the main suspect, Banba, who is drunk, by accusing him of being his fiancé's murderer. Banba into goaded into rushing him, so Amuro dodges and trips Banba. The condition of the bottom of Banba's shoes is important for the case, and Amuro asks Kogoro to hold Banba's legs. This whole interaction suggests that Amuro knew the bottom on Banba's shoes was important to the case, yet he seemed to overlook the now visible information on the bottom of the shoes that would have proved Banba's innocence. . . . . Later, Banba is about to be lead away and the clue destroyed by walking outside in the rain. Amuro's "..." (795.4) as Banba prepares to leave seems to indicate that he is waiting for Kogoro to intervene, yet Amuro does not try to stop Banba when Kogoro does nothing even as Banba is halfway out the door. After Kogoro begins his deduction, Amuro explains the genetic condition that the dead fiancé had in great detail without using any references perhaps indicating he may have known about it or suspected it beforehand. . . . . Assuming Amuro purposefully got his deduction wrong, that means Amuro didn't speak up even at the last minute when Banba was about to go outside and inadvertently destroy the critical clue showing his innocence. If you think about it, this kind of behavior isn't normal for good detectives in DC. Good detectives never want innocent suspects to be accused even if this means more trouble for the detective to prove it (unless they have told the police ahead of time they are doing a trick and are trying to get the real culprit to incriminate themselves). This shows that Amuro isn't like the normal DC detectives, but is calculating instead. • Amuro noticed that Conan was alone with a murderer and considered that Conan might have been kidnapped, yet said nothing about it until others realized Conan and the murder suspect were gone. . . . . Amuro's calculating behavior is further shown when he disregards Conan's safety in pursuit of a case connected to the murder at Mouri Detective Agency. Amuro had already deduced a particular suspect was the likely the culprit, and thus she was bad news. Later, he notices her and Conan's shoes are missing, and that Conan hasn't appeared in some time. It is impossible for him not to have guessed that Conan went with the likely murderer, but instead he fails to bring it up. Only later when the others draw the same conclusion does Amuro reveal his thoughts. This failure to care about Conan is obvious when contrasted to everyone panicking. ∎ Amuro went missing when Scar Akai appeared. Amuro had just learned about Sera before she was targeted by Scar Akai. He was absent from his job at the Poirot when Scar Akai appeared outside the detective agency in 801 where Sera was walking, likely to "test" her as he did with the FBI. Also 800 was Amuro's first time encountering Sera (recently) as far as we know. Scar Akai wouldn't be able to pinpoint Sera without knowing who she was associating with and where she hangs out, both of which Amuro learned in 800. ∎ Amuro matches Gin's description of his personality. Gin said Bourbon was irritating. (V67-8 pg 13-14). Amuro has a type of personality Gin would not like because Amuro acts cheerful and friendly. Amuro does not hide his emotions and is quite expressive. He is also manipulative. Amuro is also a good detective. ∎ Amuro is much richer than would be expected for his job. When Amuro offers Kogoro an unknown "tuition" per case Kogoro brings him on, the amount he offers is enough to get Kogoro excited and accept Amuro as an apprentice without hesitation. This is strange because Amuro would not be expected to have much money because he is young, lacks a formal agency, and works part time at restaurants in one of the most expensive cities in the world to live in. Amuro also owns a nice car (RX-7), and maintenance, parking, and upkeep are not cheap. ∎ Amuro placed himself close to the Mouri Detective Agency. Scar Akai is known to be interested in the agency as well. Amuro has an interest in the Mouri Detective Agency shown by him taking a part time job at the Poirot and asking to be Kogoro's apprentice despite being a better detective than Kogoro which Ran points out. Amuro will be able to access the agency and track Kogoro and Conan's movements with relative ease. Bourbon should have an interest in Kogoro/Conan because Scar Akai has seen two Conan cases as well as saw fit to keep Kogoro's cellphone number with him. Kogoro's number was on Kir's phone, whom Bourbon should suspect to be a traitor if he believes Akai is not dead. Scar Akai thinks the Mouri Detective agency may be related to Akai. If we consider what Gin said about Bourbon is true, that he doesn't believe Akai is dead, that means Bourbon’s logic requires Kir to be a traitor who assisted somehow in making it seem like she killed Akai because trying to come up with a plausible way Akai could survive where Kir doesn't knowingly participate is practically impossible. Bourbon (as Scar Akai) has done investigation on Kir, he knew Kogoro's cellphone number somehow in order to text Kogoro the answer in the 13 red shirts case. I looked back through prior cases, and a few clients have phoned through Kogoro's cellphone as part of a case, but no new clients first contact Kogoro using it. That leads me to believe that Kogoro’s cellphone is likely a private number given out as needed, while his main business number is his landline. So where did Scar Akai get Kogoro’s number? The likely answer is from Kir’s cellphone, which Kogoro texted his bank routing number to after the Ding Dong Dash. Kir’s cellphone was left in Gin’s car when Kir changed clothes and we don’t know what happened to it after Kir was captured by the FBI. If Akai’s closest FBI friends don’t seem to know that Akai is still alive, then Bourbon needs to find other suspects. Kogoro was involved with Kir, is intelligent (according to the news), and was suspected of being involved with the FBI earlier although seemingly cleared by Akai’s intervention. So Bourbon starts looking for excuses to check on Kogoro. You could possibly add Conan to the equation as well if you consider Scar Akai observed Conan making a very good deduction and at least heard him using a voice changer during the Teito Bank heist. ∎ Amuro keeps a bug detector with him - only Organization members have been shown to do this. Amuro conveniently keeps a bug detector with him. The Black Org has been shown to keep those on hand (24-8/239), while normal detectives like Conan do not. ∎ Amuro's physical characteristics match those of Bourbon and Scar Akai. • Amuro Tohru is right-handed like scar Akai. • He is male as the codename Bourbon implies. The naming scheme is hard liquors for men and Kir used a male specific pronoun (kare) for him back in the red shirts case. • He is young enough to rival with Akai and be new to codename (29). • He has the right body size, height, and face shape to disguise as Scar Akai. Literary device arguments ∎ Amuro's name origin is a pun on the mortal enemy of Akai's name origin Amuro Tohru's name is a pun on Amuro Ray who is the mortal enemy/rival of Char Aznable. Furuya Tohru voiced Amuro. Akai is named after Char Aznable (The Red Comet) and his voice actor Shuuichi Ikeda. Bourbon hates Akai, so naming Bourbon after Amuro makes sense. As further proof, Amuro Tohru drives a white RX-7. Amuro Ray flew a white RX-78-2 Gundam. ∎ There was a Bourbon plot reminder in Amuro's introductory case. In chapter 793, one of the case suspects orders a bourbon on the rocks from Amuro. While the drink itself is unrelated to the case, nor has any relation to Amuro's identity, it may be a deliberate reminder to think about the Bourbon plot. Minor points - i.e. weak arguments • Amuro wears black. He changes into a black outfit when out of uniform (796). • Amuro mentions some Akai and Scar Akai themed clothing Amuro's hypothetical disguise suggestion in 795, a knit cap and long windbreaker, are articles of clothing Shuichi Akai and Scar Akai wear respectively. • Amuro's dark skin color may have been revealed when Scar Akai's duct tape was ripped off. If you look at the below picture, what we assumed may have been shadow may have been Scar Akai's real skin color that was revealed when the tape disrupted the mask/coloring (whatever Amuro used to change his skin color). Miscellaneous Amuro is not Akai • Amuro's handedness differs from Akai's. I think that Amuro is right handed, while Akai seems to be left-handed. • Conan does not recognize Amuro or treat him like they have met ever Assuming Conan helped with the plan to fake Akai's death (likely because of the cellphones) it is strange that Conan shows no recognition of Amuro if Amuro is Akai. Even if Akai had hidden his role from Conan, you would think something would have tipped off Conan by now. • Amuro tests Kogoro which the real Akai would not need to do because Akai knows Conan runs the show. If Amuro was Akai, then there would be no need to test Kogoro's intelligence because Akai knows about Conan's gadgets and intelligence already. Some of Amuro's decisions would also seem uncharacteristic for Akai. Not mentioning something to Ran or Kogoro about Conan disappearing at the same time as a murderer is one. Akai has had to directly or indirectly bail Conan out twice for getting in over his head (Vermouth and Org vs FBI), so trusting Conan to be safe wouldn't be expected. Another would be coming very close to having an innocent suspect accused, assuming Amuro threw the exploding car case on purpose. • Akai doesn't have a good motive for becoming Mouri's apprentice. The motive for becoming Mouri's apprentice is also unclear if Amuro is Akai. Couldn't he move in nearby or stick with working part time in Poirot without becoming an apprentice? Why not start working directly at the Poirot instead of going through another restaurant? Why leave Haibara out of the picture? • It would be really hard for Amuro to alter his skin color to Akai's and vice versa. Amuro/Akai would have to use a relatively long term, even-coloring, abuse-tolerating disguise that darkens his skin color. Tanning is one method, but it is difficult to get a tan with complete coverage. (in the folds of the ears, on the scalp.) How dark is Amuro's skin anyway? A skin stain to darken skin on the hands, face, and neck is possible, but difficult and would likely require a professional to apply which leaves a witness. A mask would work for the face and neck (who would make these masks though?), but waitering involves hand abuse and spilled liquids and there is no such thing as a latex mask for hands. Amuro is not a spy infiltrating the Black Organization If Amuro is a spy, it will be difficult to account for his actions so far, some of which have been dangerous without good reason. If Amuro is a spy he is highly unethical and/or works for someone no good. . . . . If Amuro is infiltrating as Bourbon, it is strange for a spy to be sidetracked by hating and/or hunting down Akai. I doubt something like that would be sanctioned by any intelligence agency Amuro might belong to, nor would they tolerate Amuro getting off course on it as it seems completely unnecessary to Amuro's infiltration mission. If the hating Akai thing is an act (it would have to be a good one) or Amuro was a spy for a less than reputable group, like a rival Organization, his behavior might be overlooked. . . . . In contrast to Kir only doing bad things she is forced to do, Amuro makes negative decisions without prompting. If Amuro intentionally threw his introductory case to test Mouri as described above in the direct evidence section, that's a strike against him. The suspect was halfway out the door with the critical clue and Amuro didn't stop him. Amuro also recklessly disregards Conan's safety in pursuit of a case connected to the murder at Mouri Detective Agency, also described above in the direct evidence section. . . . . If Amuro is Scar Akai, he probably isn't a double agent for a lawful agency because disguising as Scar Akai is threatening Hidemi's safety for no reason that appears to be relevant to continued infiltration. Even if Amuro didn't know about Hidemi, he deliberately endangered civilians by wandering around in crowded public places dressed as Akai whom the Black Org really wants to kill. In the red shirts case, Chianti and Korn were stationed so that they would fire into crowds because of Scar Akai's actions. This rules out pretty much all the intelligence agencies, assuming Amuro is not a half-rogue agent. . . . . So far Gosho hasn't hinted at any intelligence agencies or other organizations. In the Vermouth arc the FBI was both hinted at by Jodie ("'The Bureau' is short for the FBI") and then appeared directly with Akai. The Kir arc's CIA appeared in clues related to "The Company", the pun on NOC, and a CIA stock phrase Hidemi used. Nothing similar has happened in the Bourbon arc so far.
  6. Thanks for reposting your deductions btw.

  7. KnightusMax has found some spoilers if anyone is interested in translating. http://yuzuru.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/comicnews/1317349627/491 Edit there are more parts. Conan 4869 did the first two lines. コナン 「遺伝子情報」 File 794 title: Genetic Information 様々な場所を注視したコナン。悲しい真実とは… Last page side note: Conan observed the various place cautiously, the sad truth is... 伴場「探偵だと!?おかしいじゃねぇか!?何でこの店で偶然ウエイターやってんだよ!?」 安室「僕が採用されたこの店を初音さんに選んでもらったんです…あなたの動向を…監視する為… 浮気性のあなたに女がいないか調べて見張ってくれと…だからわざとあなたのズボンに染みをつけた… 女性に言い寄られないように…まぁ、あなたは気にせず女性と仲良くされていたようですが… もっとも、頼まれていた事を証明しようにも…初音さん本人は焼死してしまったみたいですけど… しかし依頼を受けていた事は、サングラスの彼が証明してくれそうですよ?身辺調査の途中経過を報告してた現場に居合わせたようですし… (目暮「何なんだねあんたは!?」)恐らく彼も探偵…伴場さんに彼女が最近誰かと会っているようなので探って欲しいと依頼され… 密会現場を突き止めたが、男は帽子とフードで顔がわからず…その時聞いた声がウエイターの僕と似てたので… 僕を呼んで注文し、改めて声を確認し…同一人物だとサインで伴場さんに伝えた… その直前に携帯でトイレに呼び出したのは、店内に例の男がいるかもしれないからこれから確かめると伝える為…ですよね?」 春岡「あ、ああ、そうだよ! まさか探偵だと思わなかった…尾行してもまかれたし…」 高木「でも彼女が謎の男と会ってるのを知ってて結婚しようと?」 毛利「普通本人に確かめるだろ?」 伴場「その密会以来会ってねえって探偵さんが言ってたし、彼女を調べてたなんて知られたら、 嫌われると思ったんだよ!お互い養子だって事まで打ち明け合った仲だったから…」 毛利「俺に依頼してくれりゃあこんな優男、探偵だってすぐ突き止めたのによ!」 伴場「お前は有名で顔バレしてるし…後で彼女に紹介するつもりだったし…」 毛利「でも、俺に任せてりゃ。彼女が自殺したのはこの店でのお前のご乱行を、この男が電話でチクったからかも!」 してませんよと安室。初音との電話の事を伴場に聞く目暮。泣きながら「サヨナラ」って…と答え、8時54分の通話履歴を見せる 110番通報は9時21分、30分近く時間差があるようですが…と言う目暮 蘭「先に救急車や消防車を呼ぶのに色々手間どっちゃって… でも救急車等が到着した時には…もう手がつけられないぐらい車の中が燃えてたみたいですけど…」 コナンが、何であんなに車が燃えてたか疑問を、蘭も、時々爆発してたみたいだし…と話す 高木がスプレー缶や紙やダンボールが大量に車内にあったから…と説明。 目暮になぜそんな物が?と聞かれ、伴場「パーティーが終わったら2人で車に型紙あててスプレーでデコって、 その車で式場に行ってみんなを驚かそうと…嘘だと思うならメール見てくれよ!材料を揃えたってメールが彼女から来てるから!」 目暮がネイルサロンからのメール「後30分で戻る」に目を止め、車内の可燃物、この店に戻る時間も知ってた。 つまりあなたなら~~付け爪に付着したDNAもほぼ一致した…と疑う 安室「ほぼという事は…皮膚が雨や泥などで~~…血縁者じゃない限り… 遺伝子情報(ゲノム)のほぼ一致は~~」と伴場に疑いの目を向ける 伴場が「何だと!?」と殴りかかるが、安室は軽く避け、大げさ?に「や、止めてください~~」 毛利が伴場を落ち着かせる。コナンが伴場の靴の裏?を見て『ん?じゃあ、この人どうやって…(DNA鑑定を承諾し、高木と行く伴場) まあ結果がでればはっきりするさ…トリックを考えるのはそれからでも…』 蘭「でもDNA鑑定ってすごいよね…~~(コナン「うん、そだね…」) じゃあ姿を変えてみんなをだましてる人もすぐにわかっちゃうね!(「う、うん…そだね…」) 高木が目暮に、店から駐車場に出るドアは店の後方に一つあるが事件時は鍵。 正面の出入口なら誰かが覚えてる。一応トイレから出れば駐車場に行けるが… 窓の下には大きな水たまり…そこを通れば足跡が残るはず…店内の客の中にも裾や靴を汚した人はいないよう… 後、事件当時は風が吹いてて…初音さんの持ってた傘が駐車場の端まで飛ばされてた等会話 コナン『風…?そーいえば店に来た時…結構 吹いてたな…』 目暮が2人の探偵に「心当たりは?2人がもめてたとか…自殺する程悩み事を抱えてたとか…」 春岡「さぁね…男と密会してると教えた時は動揺してたが… 最近は誰かとこそこそ電話してた方が気になってたようですよ…どーせこの男との連絡…」 安室「あ、いや…僕は彼女との連絡はメールで…外で会ったのも、あなたが見た一度きり…ただ彼女が顔を曇らせた事が一度だけ… 彼を調べてて…ある事がわかった… 彼は彼女と同じホテル火災で助けられた2人で…身元不明のまま同じ教会で育てられた事が…」 コナン『え?……』 目暮「2人の両親はそれぞれその火事で…」 安室「恐らく…2人共赤子だったらしいので」 目暮「2人は幼馴染み?」 安室「いえ…彼はすぐ里親に…彼女の方はしばらく協会で…」 目暮「だが何でそれで顔を曇らせたんだね?」 安室「さあ…後は自分で調べると言ってました…」 コナン「ねぇ、蘭姉ちゃん…初音さんの背って…蘭姉ちゃんより低かったよね?」 蘭「うん…でも高いヒールのブーツ履いてたから150そこそこかも…」 コナン『日本人女性の平均は159ぐらいだったよな…』 千葉が目暮に遺体の付け爪が一つ足りないと報告。コナンが駆け出し、外の検視官に傘を見つけた場所を聞き そこでタイヤと車体が雨よけになって、ほとんど汚れてない、爪の先に皮膚と血痕が付いた付け爪を発見し、検視官に教える コナン『恐らく…これではっきりするはず…誰が彼女の命を断ったかが…そして…オレの推理通りなら… (伴場を見ながら)白日の下に晒されちまう…知りたくなかった…悲しい真実が…』
  8. So they sent me a Parkur. He was too sarcastic, so I sent him back. #DearZooDCW

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    2. Kyuu Nye

      Kyuu Nye

      So you sent back a perfectly good Parkur for his best trait? That is just wrong Chek!

    3. Parkur

      Parkur

      Chek likes me, even if she's tsundere about it, I notice that she didn't ask for a refund, and kept me for a week ;)

    4. CarpetCrawler

      CarpetCrawler

      That's because you have to keep it for a certain amount of days before you can send it back. :V

  9. Who is Amuro Tooru and what is he up to? By popular request, a thread for speculating about the latest detective! For past discussion, see this thread: I hope everyone will repost their important deductions. Also please recommend another poll question. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- References Name Origin: Tooru Amuro has a Mobile Suit Gundam inspired name. He is named after the main protagonist Amuro Ray, and Amuro's voice actor Touru Furuya. Amuro Ray is the mortal enemy of Char Aznable, the character Akai Shuuichi is named after.
  10. Gotcha. I would appreciate if everyone would repost everything Amuro related they said here. REPOST YOUR DEDUCTIONS HERE PEOPLE
  11. I wonder if CarpetCrawler has checked his messages? #CarpetCrawler

    1. CarpetCrawler

      CarpetCrawler

      CarpetCrawler needed to be online first. #Busy #RLSucks

  12. Now help me think of the most embarrassing couples possible to replace the placeholders IU voted for. >: D
  13. Since Amuro already looks to be important, should we start a new thread for him a la Sera so we don't have to reuse the case thread?
  14. The fiancee could have just made up the Sayonara part. If the wife was knocked out then she couldn't have made the call. I wonder if this is really a howdunnit case rather than a whodunnit.
  15. I think it makes more sense that the culprit attacked her knocked her out, put her in the car, went back inside and waited for bombs/fire whatever to go off on their own to make an alibi. There would have been no reason for the culprit to attack her if they had a trigger she would set off by getting in the car or something. We should get more info next file where everyone was. Most likely all the suspects will have gone outside or something like that just because Gosho wants to make everyone suspicious. I wonder if it even is bombs that blew the car up? Maybe it's a gas/fire explosion, like propane? Re Kyuu, I am pretty sure Vermouth made the disguise because she is definitely involved. She was the one who told Gin something that made him call off Chianti and then Gin asked if the plan was okayed by the boss suggesting she was involved with it.
  16. It's because Gosho uses theme naming. Main usually characters get named after detective related characters if their names didn't come from somewhere else first (Takagi Wataru). Case suspects have a different theme every week, often related to the case. The Lethal Ramen suspects were named after different size ramen orders for instance. Akai and his connections seem to get named after Gundam chars.
  17. I've been holding off because we don't have official names but I can start it anyway. If there is another question that you or anyone else would like to vote on please make a suggestion.
  18. I just finished Gundam. Basically Lalah loved Char and he loved her back (they were kissing and stuff). She had run into Amuro on an earlier occasion, and in the heat of battle she and Amuro had a psychic conversation about fate and about how Amuro was a BAD PERSON for trying to hurt Char. Lalah thought Amuro was going to kill Char if she didn't kill Amuro first. Amuro pointed out that maybe it was fate that they met earlier and then Lalah became confused about her feelings. There was this really weird light show that made me wonder if she and Amuro were having psychic... well, you can imagine. Sayla Mass (Sera's namesake) went flying by and distracted Char unintentionally. Amuro took the moment to try to kill Char, but Lalah stepped in and took the fatal blow. She died. Char became very, very angry and vowed to kill Amuro in revenge for Lalah. I thought the whole Lalah love thing was a bit... strange and contrived. If you want to put this in the DC theory sense though, it seems like there won't be a clean role divide between Tohru and Akai -> they both have elements of both Amuro and Char. This only matters though if the Akemi-Akai-Bourbon triangle is true of course. I suspect he is a detective that the good-for-nothing friend hired to see what his fiancee was up to. That would explain why sunglasses knew about Tohru and the woman "dating" and said so. It also explains the bathroom meeting; he was reporting his investigation results. Both people hired detectives on each other and the to-be-husband's detective thought the to-be-wife was cheating on her fiancee with her detective. The to-be-husband then tried to take it out on Tohru by whacking him around and such.
  19. The faster we remove the watch section, the sooner we don't have to deal with people like these.
  20. Alright, here is the list I have going. This is going on my main Bourbon theory page, but I'll update it here too. Amuro Tohru is Bourbon is Scar Akai •Amuro Tohru's name is a pun on Amuro Ray who is the mortal enemy/rival of Char Aznable. Furuya Tohru voiced Amuro. Akai is named after Char Aznable (The Red Comet) and his voice actor Shuuichi Ikeda. Bourbon hates Akai, so naming Bourbon after Amuro makes sense. •Amuro Tohru is right-handed like scar Akai. •He is a detective •He is male as the codename Bourbon implies. The naming scheme is hard liquors for men and Kir used a male pronoun for him back in the red shirts case. •He is young enough to rival with Akai and be new to codename (29) •He has a type of personality Gin would not like. •He has the right body size and face shape to disguise as Scar Akai.
  21. Good thing he has a unique looking design which implies important char. I could totally see this guy playing Scar Akai; smiling at Chianti would be just his thing judging by his personality already. It's hard to imagine Tohru being vicious though because he has an adorkable face, especially with the inch thick frames. He's right handed of course. He looks hilarious. I just hope he doesn't die because it's a about time the BO had an injection of funny. I hope for some future scene where he, Gin, Vodka, and Vermouth are all stuffed in Gin's Porsche while trying to come up with a plan.
  22. I feel for you. They aren't "real" clues in the sense that they do not come directly from the plot of the story and that in universe characters cannot use the name clues. They are an authorial device on the side. It's also unfortunate that they are rather strong: if you know them, it makes it obvious who the character is. If you are not familiar with the references, you'll miss them which is no fun because everyone else is using them.On another note. If this Amuro is Bourbon, I wonder if he will feel Ran is like Akemi? Akai and Haibara both notice Ran that way. Bourbon might not have known Akemi well enough, but if he had and hates Akai because of a romance triangle, there could be an interesting development there.
  23. I wonder if Conan is going to blow it in this case? Unless he starts picking up weird vibes from this Amuro guy, Conan tends not to hide his intelligence that well. Amuro could take very serious interest in Kogoro/Conan after this. (if he is this Bourbon) It would be nice to see someone seriously go after Conan for a change. I still think Sera will be the one who starts everything when she meets scar Akai (Bourbon) and runs into trouble, but maybe she'll meet scar Akai because he stalks out the Mouri detective agency!?
  24. That's terrible. No sense of pride in their work.
  25. Jodie called Conan "cool guy" once, then switched to "cool kid" afterwards. It was a hint Jodie wasn't Vermouth after the NY case when you figured out Vermouth knew Conan was Shinichi and was grateful which is why she hadn't spilled his identity to the BO.
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