Chekhov MacGuffin

I got an update from Jd- on the progress 19:39 Jd- Conan & Kindaichi is a fun game--a LOT of work 19:39 Jd- But a fun game 19:39 Chekhov How is that going by the way 19:40 Jd- All of the system data is done 19:40 Jd- All of the buttons/menus/graphics/etc 19:40 Chekhov I figured the text translation is the longest part 19:40 Jd- The script is about 30% finished right now I guess

Scar Akai was close enough to overhear Conan using the voice changer. The hostages heard it and Conan's voice telling the robbers his trick because they turned to listen.

Amuro saw fit to make an excuse to move in right under Conan so that now he can watch the Detective Agency and follow Kogoro/Conan around on cases too.

But as I said earlier, the way the clue was stated there are multiple possible interpretations to why Conan might say "Then, how did this person" while looking at the shoes. How did this person dry off his shoes for instance. I feel like this is poorly written, because if the art doesn't make the state of the clue clear, the detective's description should. There is no reason readers should have to fight to understand the physical characteristics of the clue if it on panel, right in front of the detective who is staring at it. I understand that Gosho did not want to make it exactly clear what Conan is thinking to avoid ramming the deduction down our throats, but he does need to make it clear what about the shoes Conan is reacting to. The mystery should be the mystery, not trying to figure out what the detective really meant. Out of the English speaking and German speaking fandom, no one came up with the interpretation that the cake was still on the bottom of the shoes. I understand few people solve the mysteries every week, but most people do seem to know what the state of the clues are even if they don't solve the mystery.

The way it was presented was far too ambiguous to be useful. That cake could have been gone and Conan could have had the same reaction, or maybe the reaction was to how Banba had no mud or moisture at all on his shoes (because he took a spare set from his suitcase for instance). Conan heard Hatsune tell Banba he's stepping in it earlier, so the reaction at all seems off. The clue could have been clearer without compromising the mystery significantly. Trying to force the reader to rely on interpretation detective's vague description of the evidence rather than the presented evidence itself which is false difficulty. Having Conan say something like "Still there?" would have removed all the ambiguity without making it too obvious either.

Thanks Gosho for not showing the shoes close up so that we could see the cake was still in there. That wasn't really an important clue after all....

Because they were hauling Banba off and Conan needed to ask the determining question?

And here comes the English courtesy of the amazing Zenthisoror from the DCTP cbox Title: A Fate that Returned to Fire Mouri and Banba sit on some chairs and discuss the situation. Mouri: "The hairbrush...did you ever let anybody else use it?" Banba: "I don't think so...I've been living with Hatsune for about half a year now. Although maybe some detective might have used it whilst I was out..." Amuro: "I have never been inside your house!" Banba: "The fact that you're a detective makes you suspect...if you're skilled enough to dodge the guy I hired... then when you came to my house, you could've taken some of my hairs off the brush and replaced it with somebody else's and then put the guilt on me." Amuro: "Ah..no, I wouldn't ever do such a spy-ish sort of thing..." Megure: "I'm afraid you're wrong in any case. I just received the results from forensics. The hair on the hairbrush is definitely Mr Banba's." Amuro: "So that means that..." Takagi: "Permission to escort you to a police station?" Banba: "Fine!" Takagi: "I've parked the car a little bit far so you'll need an umbrella, or else you might get wet..." Banba: "It's raining again?" Takagi: "Yes...quite heavily..." Banba: "I don't mind getting a little wet." They start to make their way out. Conan puts Mouri to sleep from under the table. Mouri (Conan): "Are you sure about all this? Banba? Did you really..." Banba: "Well what can I do? It's come to this so I'll just have to show I'm innocent at the station..." Mouri: "I see...in which case...you are not the murderer!" Amuro: "Eh?" Megure: "Oh come off it, Mouri..." Mouri: "Recall this...in terms of doors going out into the carpark...there was also a way via the toilet window... in which case the only way to go is by the front door...somebody would have certainly seen if he, Banba, the main man of the show, went out that way." Amuro: "It might be the case that it wasn't that he wasn't seen, just wasn't noticed. He could've disguised himself in the toilet, if he'd hidden his clothes in their beforehand... like, a knitted cap or a long windbreaker..." Banba: "What about the phone call before the explosion? She said "Goodbye!" Amuro: "Did she really call you just before the car caught fire? Maybe what actually happened was that - " Banba: "That's all just words! Hatsune really did... Check her phone!" Takagi: "Well we could put back together the data but a whole conversation - " Megure: "And these clothes that were used for the disguise?" Amuro: "He could have flushed them down the toilet by cutting them into lots of tiny pieces with a pair of scissors and a knife..." Mouri: "What about shoes? You can't easily cut up those..." Amuro: "He wouldn't need to change those! If he kept on walking in them then it wouldn't make any difference anyway." Mouri: "The shoes are evidence that he is not the murderer." Takagi looks at the soles of the shoes that Banba had taken off. There's cream from the cake in its grooves. Ran: "Because he trod on the cake..." "When?" Ran: "Before Hatsune left the shop." Takagi: "If he'd walked on the wet pavement...Especially if he'd been in a hurry to get back into the shop once he'd set the car on fire!" Megure: "So, do you say that Banba never went out of the shop..." Mouri: "I thought it was trick that he'd pulled off at first. I thought, by some way or other, he'd changed his shoes...but the cake in question was some that this here young detective dropped and then got trodden on just by chance... Banba never mentioned the cream on his soles to me...he is even now willingly leaving the shop into the rain outside, risking his previous 'evidence'...That is how I realized that the cream isn't a part of a trick...it is real affirmative evidence that he is innocent." Amuro: "But, but, what about the DNA? On Hatsune's false nail - " Mouri: "Couldn't it have been her own skin?" Amuro: "What...what are you saying? Two people would have to be relatives otherwise a close match would indicate...In any case, women don't have y chromosomes, so you should be able to work things out quite quickly! Mouri: "The fact is, the skin had been corrupted with all the mud and the rain...it could be that because the sex chromosomes were undiscernable." Amuro: "But even still...that the two of them...coincidentally..." Mouri: "Their meeting might have been a coincidence...but what drew them together might have been necessity, because they were twins..." Mouri talks about the hotel fire incident. Amuro explains about monozygotic but dual gender identical twins. He hears from Banba that her height was around the higher 140s. Amuro: "In the case of monozygotic (identical) opposite sex twins, the female has Turner's syndrome and so is prone to shorter statures." Banba: "But...why was there her skin on the ends of the nail?" Mouri: "When she'd heard you were rescued from the same fire, she said, 'I'll investigate that myself'. The only conclusion possible is that she would use DNA sequencing to find out if you two were twins. We could surmise that when she got out of her car, she got a call from the company with her results...there was no way they could get married...being identical twins... The skin on the false nail was probably a result from her scratching her tearing at her face as she cried, to such an extent that the nail fail off...it fell into the umbrella that she'd dropped and was blown away...and that we're now investigating and awaiting the results of." Megure gets a phone call Megure: "Apart from the sex chromosomes the others matched Banba's exactly and it also fitted the DNA from the corpse." It is confirmed that the DNA is hers. Takagi: "So it was suicide..." Megure: "The timing of the company was pretty bad." Takagi: "They heard it was the wedding tomorrow, so they probably wanted to get in their news as quickly as possible...before it was too late." Conan narrates. Conan: "Banba's cry cut split through the rain and echoed all around...it wasn't clear why she had chosen to die by fire... perhaps in order to restart everything she'd wanted to go back to the beginning...into the midst of the flames that set the pair of them towards this fate..." The next day Amuro works part time at Poirot, and asks to be made Mouri's apprentice. Amuro: (whispers in Mouri's ear) - "As tuition fees, I was thinking of paying about................per case...." Mouri: "Are you serious?! Indeed! In which case, young Amuro, call me, "Master Mouri"!" Amuro: "Yes, sir, Master Mouri!" Conan: "And here's another troublesome one..." end

I was asked this question by Balthazar, but I'll post it here. I picked Tohru because that is how AnimeNewsNetwork and a few other big websites romanize the name of the voice actor Tohru Furuya. It's a nod to Amuro's name origin. Also I mainspaced the article because manga spoilers indicated he was likely going to have an important role:

Gin's age is unknown. Also, he's also been in a physical relationship with Vermouth.

Sorry for the double post but spoilers are spoilers. There are some amazing spoilers this week. Conan48:69 posted the raw spoilers. Conan#1 Had this to say on the Cbox: File 795 title 「炎へと回帰する運命」(The Fate of Returning From Flame) コナンの周囲に探偵続々！？ 次号、衝撃の新シリーズ！！(Last page sidenote: The detectives are around Conan!? Next issue, the impact of new series.) 毛利「マ、マジで！？　採用～！！私の事は先生と呼びなさい安室君！」 安室「はい、毛利先生！！」(Look like Kogoro taking Amuro as his disciple) コナン『また面倒臭い奴が…』 (Conan said another troublesome person, look like Conan jealous that Amuro may become his love rival) From my own translation glossing: Really Rough translation here... Kogoro accuses Amuro. Amuro "So you're saying I left clothes for disguise in the bathroom, say a long wind breaker and knit cap, and I phoned Banba just before the car starts burning, saying 'Sayonara' in a weeping voice...." Anyway it was a suicide. Kyuu was right, she was an identical twin to Banba with Turner syndrome so she came out looking female, she got the results back on the phone, and was upset. She immolated herself. Did Amuro just start working part time at the Poirot!?!?!?!? That could be problematic. Especially if Haibara or Sera visit.

But why?

Gin and Sherry could have come into contact that way. I'm in the mutual romance camp, but only because I theorize that Shiho was socially inexperienced which meant she was taken advantage of. Shiho's first problem is that she was always with people much older than her because she was far advanced in school courtesy her Org sponsered science-focused prodigy upbringing. She saw how her sister formed a close relationship with Akai (5 years ago is when that started, Shiho was working for the Org in a lab at the time at the age of 13) and wanted the same for herself, but was naive and Gin took advantage of that. Shiho wised up later (I'd like to think her sister advised) and dumped him, but Gin was still attached and thus very pissed. Gin being the one to offer (although the boss may have asked him to) the 10b yen robbery deal to Akemi knowing he would kill Akemi at the end anyway may have been Gin's way of getting revenge on Shiho. Shiho soon took off after her sister's death and now the doubly "betrayed" Gin was very eager to see Shiho dead. Shiho wouldn't know Akai as Akai because he was under the alias Moroboshi Dai at the time. She would know his face, and Akai's actions suggest she would recognize him which is why he is avoiding confronting her.

Thanks for the critique. I don't know if spoilers have hit yet because I haven't looked. Some basic facts for anyone interested in trying to solve the case. In terms of setup, the if we arbitrarily call the entrance with the that Kogoro initially used of the restaurant as the south facing side, the parking lot is to the west. Based on their view of the parking lot and the large windows, Kogoro and friends are sitting on the west side of the restaurant. The restroom appears to be on the North side based on the side of the room Kogoro and Conan are sitting. (as long as they didn't change benches). That means the alley outside the bathroom runs along north side of the building and to the parking lot. The wind was blowing to the west and maybe slightly south based on the flag and how Kogoro and Ran were holding the umbrella. This means anything in the alley will be blown towards the parking lot. There is a door on the west side to the parking lot, but it apparently wasn't used. The fence on the north side of the lot might have given a little protection from the rain if the wind was blowing. Hatsune parked on south side of the lot a few (inconsistent number) cars down from the restaurant itself. The umbrella was found against the westmost car on the north side of the lot. Banba's right pants leg above the knee was coated with cake, as was the bottom of his left shoe. He is wearing tennis-shoes by the way which normally are relatively non-absorbent and easily washable. The state of his pants haven't changed when Amuro knocks him over but the cake is no longer on the bottom of her shoe. The picture and text from the Kamon on the cellphone is probably legit based on the nails. This was made at 8:18. At this time, the wife said she was set to return in thirty minutes. Banba went to get a report right after so he has ~30 minutes to setup the crime ahead of time of Kamon arriving. Banba's Sayonara call came in at 8:54, 6 minutes later. This is a very short amount of time which limits trick complexity which is presumably enough time meet Kamon, knock her out, organize and light the very simple slow burn mechanism (~5 minutes or one cigarrete), come back in, clean up, and rejoin the restaurant. Ran managed to connect her call to police at 9:21, 27 minutes after the fire started approximately. Banba probably wouldn't have done any killing before he heard the results of the investigation. Hatsune parked on south side of the lot a few (inconsistent number) cars down from the restaurant itself. The umbrella was found against the westmost car on the north side of the lot. Contrary to the police evaluation, The wind was not blowing when the arson occured. That means the position of the umbrella is strange, because the car where the umbrella in found is Northwest which is not quite the West and slightly south direction of the wind earlier. It also means that the umbrella was dropped before or after the time of the arson, likely before as someone might have noticed it skittering across the lot afterwards. It's also kind of strange the nail was caught in the umbrella in the first place of it was open... There are tables as chairs outside the restaurant but require going close the the brightly lit window to retrive which makes it unlikely. ------ Basically I think Banba took off his jacket, flipped his shirt inside out so that when it got wet, he could flip it back and cover it up, rolled up his pants, took off his socks, but kept his shoes. Banba jumped out the bathroom window. The side door was locked and someone would have noticed the front door, so the bathroom window is all we have. Banba's shoes and legs would have gotten dirty and he noticed he made prints. Banba waited for Hatsune to return about 30 minutes later somewhere it would be somewhat dry (under one of the tables outside where no one could see him?). He attacked her by her car when she opened the car door. He was scratched in the struggle causing the two nails to drop, one on the ground and one into the upside-down umbrella. He put her unconscious body in the car and headed back towards the restaurant after setting the burn mechanism. At this point I'm not really sure what Banba did. He could have grabbed Hatsune's umbrella, carried it upside-down to the alley, and then walk-rolled it to the window by walking on the inside of the open umbrella so that he destroyed his earlier prints and kept his shoes mostly dry so as not to leave shoe prints on the wall by going back in the bathroom. He could have also taken his shoes off in the umbrella, stood in the umbrella, climbed the wall with dry bare feet, grabbed the umbrella handle from the window, and pulled the umbrella with his shoes up, then threw the umbrella back to ground where the wind blew it to the lot. Banba also could have used supplies from inside the car to make cardboard shoes and not used the umbrella. In any case, the umbrella wound up in the parking lot with an undamaged fake nail somehow. Regardless of what happened, he went back through the window. He reversed his shirt, put on his jacket, cleaned himself and especially his shoes, which were muddy, as best he could, he rolled back down his pants, put back on his jacket and socks, and then reentered the restaurant looking mostly normal. He tripped Amuro not only to disguise the blood, but to get himself a little wet as well. Problems include why the 2nd fake nail didn't fall out or wasn't damaged when Banba used the umbrella (if he used it at all.), and why the umbrella got hooked on the last car in the parking lot instead of a closer one. If the umbrella was an important clue as it would be in my scenario, why weren't we shown it? Also, there is a lack of any wetness corresponding to shoe or footprints climbing the wall. I feel like we really don't have enough clues to really solve the case. I wish Takagi was a bit more clear on the conditions of the back alleyway, like what the ground was made of, and if the rain would have damaged evidence. =============== Re Kyuu and the height issue: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17612860 Summary twins (Japanese at least) are shorter than single births at final height.

I'm pretty sure he paid attention because there was nothing else to do while the floor was hostage. The floor wasn't freed until Kogoro finished. That said, I don't think Scar Akai noticed how "Sleeping Kogoro" really works.---- Amuro totally pissed Banba off on purpose just to trip him to see the bottom of his shoes. Heck, Amuro even tried to get Mouri to notice. ("Mouri-san, please hold his legs!") I wonder if Amuro will notice that Mouri never looked at the bottom of the shoes if Conan does a sleeping detective show. ---- I'm with everyone else that Banba and Kamon are brother/sister or fraternal twins. I'm not sure what the height has to do with it, because as far as I know only identical twins have height issues. As expected, the cake on the bottom of Banba's shoes vanished. I wonder if the trick is just really simple for this case. Kamon calls Banba out (to tell him the marriage is off because they're related) Banba rolls up his trousers/took off his socks to prevent them from being splashed and jumps out the bathroom window. Kamon tells Banba the marriage is off. She doesn't make it to the part that they are related before Banba attacks her. Banba attacks Kamon and put her unconscious body in the car. He uses a slow burning technique to set up the arson, like his other cellphone so it would spark (apparently that's easy to do), or a cigarette or something of that fashion He goes back through the bathroom window, fixes his trousers and socks and washes off his shoes He goes back into the restaurant and attacks Amuro to cover up a scratch on his hand he got when Kamon tried to fight him off. He makes up a phone call from Kamon when he thinks the arson is about to start.

It's too soon for Youtube or other video uploads - start searching after an hour or two for that. Try DCTP.

DCTP English version is out in case anyone is interested.

Unless I made a serious error (Which is possible, but I don't think so if you are referring to this post from page 3), I never said Shinichi's death via APTX 4869 would look like a "natural" death. Presumably in absence of other trauma, using APTX would create the impression of a "natural" death, but Shinichi did have the clonk on the head that you mentioned. I presume if APTX isn't detected, forensics will suspect the head injury was the cause of the fatality. It's a murder, but one anyone with strength can pull off, so for the Black Org it is "better" than using a gun because only a high level criminal would have one of those - narrowing the suspect pool quite a bit. Shinichi probably made a few enemies considering his case solving which Gin could probably deduce on the spot without knowing Shinichi before. (Megure familiar with him, people recognized Shinichi meaning fame, clearly skilled at case solving) Super Takagi flying leap as it dropped?

I'd appreciate a few seconds of your time to vote on what to do with Amuro's wiki article.

I've been quietly working on an article for Amuro which you can see here and I'm not sure what to do with it. Suggestions? (Proper name, want a section elaborated on, more pictures, should we mention him as a suspect in the Bourbon article/scar Akai article, too premature, etc...)

I'm pretty sure Amuro antagonized the guy to make him him angry enough to attack so that Amuro could dodge/trip him in order to see the bottom of his shoes. Quite a manipulative guy, this Amuro; he's on par with Conan.