Black Demon

I'm not sure if I understand it correctly. My theory is that it was actually a murder. Long time ago, also inside that kitchen, another woman filming herself commit suicide. Someone (the murderer?) later found that tape and dumped it into the well. Then, this time, he killed this woman by putting her into the oven, and place an empty camera so it looks as if the tape "inside" it was really the one under the well. Am I right ?

If I was a leader, I would definitely kill as much as I can for my own entertainment. I'm sick of being good, innocent and stuff. Can any of you answer me what's the point of being good, when bad fortunes just drop right on your head afterwards ? I don't do good things for rewards or because I want people who repay me and stuff. But it is so tiresome when good people have to suffer for things that was not even their fault, while the bad guys just celebrate in laughter ? If being good also means more pain, then I would rather being a villain.

Yes, of course I have read, and also watched that case. But I hardly feel her emotions like I did in the earlier arcs. If you want me to explain exactly why, I cannot answer because it is just my personal feeling. Of course she has only done it like 2 times, but the thing is that she didn't actually learn anything. And she did ask "Who are you ?" just like 1 second before she attacked Okiya (I don't know about the anime version, but if you read the manga, you'll find that line). She didn't let him finishes his explanation though... What if he was actually a friend of Shinichi's parents who borrowed there house ?

I find her crying in recent volumes emotionless, she drops tears, but I don't see her sadness anywhere (which can easily be felt in the past), that is the annoying part. But let's just say again that it was only my own personal feeling. And as for why I don't like her, even though she has many positive points ? It's because Gosho makes her negative ones more often and too obvious, to the point that you just cannot ignore them (e.g. the screaming part that you mentioned). It makes many readers hard to only consider her good qualities. Also, I acknowledges Ran's courage, kindness... (which btw many characters in DC also have, not only her), and assume that all of my comments about her personalities not "good" enough to dislike her; I really don't like it when she, at times, uses her Karate on people without considering the situation and not even letting them finish their explanation (Okiya's case). You may not think it's an "good enough" reason to dislike a character, but I do. Because at moments like that, all of her kindness, sweetness... are gone. All you see is an aggressive, violent teenage girl, thus completely damaged Ran's image. I actually wouldn't care that much about Ran if she never acts like that (which again is also Gosho's "failure" in portraying her character).

In case something like that does happen, I surely hope that Gosho will spoil enough clues/hints so even an "average" reader like me can solve it.

It would be interesting if Tooru's Bourbon, and he was actually a very high-ranking/important operative in the Org. (somewhat on par with Gin and Vermouth). I don't know about his assassinating skill but I can see his intelligence alone is definitely something that is to The Boss' advantage. Of all executive members we've known so far, there are two main kinds: - Elderly members (may even be "original members") and play a very important part in the maintaining of the Organization: Pisco (but it seems that they don't need his financing anymore). - Extremely skilled, experienced and intelligent members (of course comparing to the rest of the Org.), can be in charge of multiple missions: Gin, Vermouth (although she might have been BOTH). I wouldn't be surprised if The Boss acknowledged Bourbon as the second type. Whether his deducing skill is on par with Conan and Akai or not, it is something very dangerous that even Gin would comment: "Like you said, someone whom you'd wish was only in a novel. A great detective, like Sherlock Holmes..." (although there's still a possibility that he was talking about someone else.).

So I'm Japan. Hmmmm.... interesting.

Not all of them. As for me, I hate AiCon/ShinShi, I even made the "Vote for a non Conan/Shinichi boyfriend for Haibara" topic. I also don't like Haibara very much in general. Of course if you lists something that is positive about Ran, there will be many to talk about, since she's a good character. But this topic to ask why would someone dislike her, it wouldn't be a surprise if all things said here are negative points. I don't know about others, but as for me, even though I don't like Ran, I still acknowledge her good side. And once again, I personally think it's Gosho's fault in making her crying scenes kind off annoying, while they are actually very emotional in the past volumes.

I wish that I wasn't so distracted =_=

OK, so they're the same. Now all we're looking for is a translator...

Conan 48:69 from DCTP also finds one, that version is longer if I'm not mistaken: http://forum.dctp.ws/index.php?topic=7317.msg595086#msg595086

According to my speculation (which is the same as of most people), Tooru is Scar Akai is Bourbon. As for his target(s), I think it changes with occasions: - In the past cases: To find Akai and kill him. Since Gin said that Bourbon didn't believe in Akai's death from the beginning, I don't think that much investigation is meaningful once you have that much doubt. Of course disguising as Akai is also one sort of investigation, but it's more like a "confirmation" rather than trying to figure out Akai and Kir's tricks and such.... - Recently (as Toru): I'm not sure. It's kind of hard to judge if he has already given up in finding Akai or not. - In future files: Begins to take interest in Conan (unless Bourbon has already been interested in Conan for a long time), Haibara, Okiya, Sera and investigate them.

In my country there're even fan-club FORUMS just for Haibara (or Ran, Kid...).

Can you explain "The Oven" story ?

For me, I hate it when people don't know (or pretend not to know) that I hurt them. Do I need to kill them to make them hate me ?

I don't hate Ran as much as many people do, but that doesn't mean that I like her. Reasons for that: 1. Like Parkur said above, she cries too much. About this reason, I personally think that it was because of Gosho's "failure" in drawing the readers' sympathy towards the character. In the past, from the beginning to the end of Vermouth arc, I actually felt sorry for her. I felt her pain and her sadness. I even admired her strength when she tried to hide her tears from everyone, and still acted naturally (Volume 33). But now, Gosho is just making her cries more and more annoying. She cries, but the way Gosho portraits it makes me hardly feel anything. I don't even see her sadness. 2. Gosho makes her role much less significant then it was supposed to be. She's the 2nd main character after Shinichi, but she has absolutely no role in the development of the main plot itself. The scene where Gosho made her jumped in and saved Ai was rather random IMO (I don't know about the rest of you but that scene made me admire Vermouth much more than it was to Ran). Even for the normal weekly cases (which some people called "fillers"), her role is nothing more than to call the police when a murder occurs. Because of that, it doesn't surprise me when some people think that her image is more "faded" than other characters like Ai, Kazuha, Sonoko... or even Akemi Miyano. 3. One of the most important reasons is her personality. How can I say ? It's too "general". If someone asks me to describe the most unique (but positive) element I find in Ran and not in other char., I'll be speechless, since I don't even know the answer. That's right. You can hardly find things that are unique about her character, even when she's the 2nd main. (The fact that she cries too much or fears of the supernatural doesn't count because they're negative). I don't care about the recurring ones, but as the lead female character, having no (or few) specialty is also Gosho's "failure" in portraying her image. Of course her highlight is always the "Angel" part, where she saved people who was about to kill her and such. If that was real life, then I would worship her like a goddess for such action, because that's something you don't see everyday. But this is IN Conan Universe, where every good character is likely to do the same thing. The proof is that if Ran hadn't saved Vermouth, Shinichi would have done it anyway (after all, the "there's no reason to save" speech was his). Also, if it hadn't been Ran following Vermouth and saved Ai, but instead another good character, they would also have rushed out to protect her from Vermouth... Therefore, Ran lost her uniqueness. 4. Sometimes, Ran used (or was about to use) her Karate without thinking, which only adds more negative points to her character. E.g. in Volume 55 (Eri's secret case), where she almost kicked her mother's guest right on the face even though Conan told her it was a misunderstanding. And in Volume 61, she "successfully" kicked at Okiya's face without even letting him finishes his explanation. Who in the world attacks people when she herself was the one who asked "Who are you?" just like 1 second ago ? (File 638 - page 8) She's lucky that he isn't Yusaku or Yukiko's acquaintance who borrowed their house. 5. Last but not least: Her hair-style.

It even told me that it's Darth Vader, and it's going to KILL me (What the heck XDDDDDDD )....

I second the idea.

@Kyuu: That. Was. Epic. @Justwantanaccount: That was a very nice find. Anyway, what I'm more interested in right now is the method that Conan will use for deduction this time. Assume that he doesn't at all suspect Toru (or the sunglassed guy), he would definitely tranquilize Kogoro as usual. And now there is where the fun begins.

User: Do you know about Detective Conan, also called Case Closed ? Cleverbot: I don't know who that is. User: It is a show actually. Cleverbot: Ugh, I hate that show. User: Why ? Cleverbot: Elegy of emptiness. Also, a very "disturbing" conversation : An even more "disturbing" conversation:

But if she's alive then who is the burnt body ?