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  1. 1. Rum's identity? (Please Revote!)

    • New character not yet introduced (male)
    • New character not yet introduced (female)
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    • A known character who has appeared in the manga who is not one of the names listed below. (explain in comments please)
    • Kansuke Yamato
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    • Taka'aki Morofushi (Koumei)
    • Hyoue Kuroda
    • Kiyonaga Matsumoto
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    • Shuukichi Haneda
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    • Chikara Katsumata (Shogi Player)
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    • Mary
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    • Sakurako Yonehara
    • Kohji Haneda
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    • Asaka (Bodyguard from the past)
    • Wakasa Rumi
    • Muga Iori / "Wada Shinichi" (Momiji's butler)
    • Kanenori Wakita
    • (reserved)
    • (reserved)
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    • (reserved)
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    • (reserved)
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  2. 2. Rum's objective?

    • Find Sherry (and kill her if necessary)
    • Hunt down the spies within the BO (and kill them if necessary)
    • Investigate/hunt Shinichi/Conan (and kill him if necessary)
    • Hunt down Akai/Subaru (and kill him if necessary)
    • Investigate/hunt Masumi (and kill her if necessary)
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    • Investigate/hunt Masumi's second brother (and kill him if necessary)
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    • Investigate/hunt Mary (and kill her if necessary)
    • Investigate/hunt/kill the person posting info about the Haneda Kohji case (and kill him/her if necessary)
    • Investigate/hunt/kill someone else (please explain)
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    • Infiltrate the Japanese police (or other law enforcement)
    • Rum is a double-agent and is trying to spy on or damage/destroy the BO
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    • Try to overthrow/kill the Boss and become the leader him/herself
    • Try to overthrow/kill another non-undercover BO member
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    • Other (please explain)
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    • (reserved)
    • (reserved)
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    • (reserved)
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    • (reserved)
      0
    • (reserved)
      0
    • (reserved)
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The problem with these polls is that you can only pick one option. I think Asaka was Rum, but I also think Rum is another character we've seen in the course of the manga, and I still think that there's a good chance that Rumi is Rum as well. So I don't know which one to mark since I can't put all three.

 

On another note, I found it interesting that anime episode 864 adapted it not only to say that a woman was seen with the mirror, but to straight up say that Asaka was a woman. That adds to my suspicion that Wakasa Rumi=Asaka=Rum. I can't wait to see more adaptations of story cases to see what else they might give away that wasn't so clear in the manga.

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2 hours ago, AnimeOtakuDrew said:

On another note, I found it interesting that anime episode 864 adapted it not only to say that a woman was seen with the mirror, but to straight up say that Asaka was a woman. That adds to my suspicion that Wakasa Rumi=Asaka=Rum. I can't wait to see more adaptations of story cases to see what else they might give away that wasn't so clear in the manga.

That was pretty clear in the manga though... the difference being that they subbed it as a if it was something he found out, rather than something he believed(I guess I see what you mean).

 

Rumi being Rum is like Subaru being Bourbon.

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I kind of have to agree with MeitanteixX.

 

I remember people thinking that Okiya was Bourbon, but it turned out to be Akai, and there is so little concrete info on Rum that every suspect is a possible red herring right now, so I am not really going to say.

 

Could Rumi be Rum? Yes, she could, since there are some hints that she might be involved with the Koji case, but that would just make things as boring as The Mysterious Affair at Styles.

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I just spotted an anomaly(?) in chapter 899. Just when Shukichi gets to leave the Shogi finals to save Yumi, Chikara looks up at him. Which is pretty obvious but what is more baffling is the way he's depicted as looking up to Shukichi.

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Gosho seems to give the readers an exclusive direct/face to face shot of Shukichi,while putting the supposed manga-reader in an oblique place just behind Chikara.

So from the reader's perspective Chikara should look a bit oblique(as mentioned in my diagram), but the obliquity wouldn't entail the user to see his eyeball as it would be focused on Shukichi.

The real issue here is that Chikara's face should exactly face Shukichi as he's looking directly at him.

From viewer's perspective Chikara looks more tilted towards his(Chikara's) left. His left eyeball should be more close to his nose bridge than it's in reality.

As if Chikara tilted his head a little to his left to get a fuller view of Shukichi, and the positioning of his left eyeball also is somewhat odd. It looks rather to be focused on the left than on Shukichi.

Generally our line of vision is exactly perpendicular to the imagined Vertical plane which just touches the back of our head when we're moving our head to focus on something. In the case of Chikara's left eyeball the line of vision is not locked on Shukichi.

 

Chikara can very well have a Prosthetic eye.

 

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On 7/9/2017 at 11:28 AM, Otaku3670 said:

I just spotted an anomaly(?) in chapter 899. Just when Shukichi gets to leave the Shogi finals to save Yumi, Chikara looks up at him. Which is pretty obvious but what is more baffling is the way he's depicted as looking up to Shukichi.

 

Gosho seems to give the readers an exclusive direct/face to face shot of Shukichi,while putting the supposed manga-reader in an oblique place just behind Chikara.

So from the reader's perspective Chikara should look a bit oblique(as mentioned in my diagram), but the obliquity wouldn't entail the user to see his eyeball as it would be focused on Shukichi.

The real issue here is that Chikara's face should exactly face Shukichi as he's looking directly at him.

From viewer's perspective Chikara looks more tilted towards his(Chikara's) left. His left eyeball should be more close to his nose bridge than it's in reality.

As if Chikara tilted his head a little to his left to get a fuller view of Shukichi, and the positioning of his left eyeball also is somewhat odd. It looks rather to be focused on the left than on Shukichi.

Generally our line of vision is exactly perpendicular to the imagined Vertical plane which just touches the back of our head when we're moving our head to focus on something. In the case of Chikara's left eyeball the line of vision is not locked on Shukichi.

 

Chikara can very well have a Prosthetic eye.

 

I spent a lot of time counting the directions characters' heads are facing for a personal project. This slight turning of the face is normal for Gosho and other western and eastern comics alike because it looks better and allows the reader to see more expressions instead of the back of people's heads. It doesn't mean anything unusual and if you look on other pages you will see the same oblique turning.

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4 hours ago, Chekhov MacGuffin said:

I spent a lot of time counting the directions characters' heads are facing for a personal project. This slight turning of the face is normal for Gosho and other western and eastern comics alike because it looks better and allows the reader to see more expressions instead of the back of people's heads. It doesn't mean anything unusual and if you look on other pages you will see the same oblique turning.

I know it, but can't ignore if this happens to one of the Rum suspects, for obvious reasons. Can be totally normal thing, but can also be a clue if Chikara is Rum.

So I just shared what I had spotted, might just be another over alalyzing of the stuff.

 

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On 10/9/2015 at 6:19 AM, Hanfois said:

I am very happy that we will get a narrower list of suspects with the release of the movie trailer xD

i have already been Hyped over the next movie before i knew that it will include RUM too

 

Even if he doesn't make much appearance in the movie or even just appears through a Text message

we still might get enough clue of him,like the text message could include a quotation we are familiar with

or even better,he might be introduced in the character list at the beginning of the movie (same as Akai in the intro of movie 18)

untill then i am still going for Taka'ai as the 1st suspect

 

Just reminding you guys that i called it 2 years ago that Koumei is getting involved with the Rum case, and i still Believe that Koumei IS Rum and he has something to do witht he murder of Scotch. I also belive that Koumei IS scotch's brother and Kuroda is actually Akai's father whose physical appearance changed in the last 17 years.

Finally i did mention before that Dai Morobushi has something to do with "Morofushi"  and i am sure that if Scotch is Rum's brother then Akai chose that name on purpose to infiltrate the BO. The 2 surnames (if Scotch is confirmed to be a Morofushi brother) were not chosen just for coincidence,there could be some reason behind the choices

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9 hours ago, Hanfois said:

Just reminding you guys that i called it 2 years ago that Koumei is getting involved with the Rum case

funny reminder.... because as far we are concerned, Koumei is not automatically getting involved with the "Rum case" just by being Scotch's brother.

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3 hours ago, MeiTanteixX said:

funny reminder.... because as far we are concerned, Koumei is not automatically getting involved with the "Rum case" just by being Scotch's brother.

 

He is the only Rum candidate that still hasn't met Haibara to this day in any case.

And yes he IS a Rum candidate as of his feminine appearance is one of Rum's claimed appearances.Plus Gosho or anyone in the manga has ever denied him being Rum,we don't have an official sentence that each BO member arc we are fixed to 3 suspects only,it could be more or less than 3

Him being Scotch's brother involves him automatically with the BO ,which means he is not one of those filler characters with a trivial side story like many others.

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On 9/9/2018 at 12:42 AM, Hanfois said:

 

He is the only Rum candidate that still hasn't met Haibara to this day in any case.

And yes he IS a Rum candidate as of his feminine appearance is one of Rum's claimed appearances.Plus Gosho or anyone in the manga has ever denied him being Rum,we don't have an official sentence that each BO member arc we are fixed to 3 suspects only,it could be more or less than 3

Him being Scotch's brother involves him automatically with the BO ,which means he is not one of those filler characters with a trivial side story like many others.

Wakita Kanenori, Katsumata Chikara, Iori Muga... he is not the only suspect.

 

Not sure I would classify him as effeminate. What exactly suggests that?

 

Not necessarily. Gosho could simply make him related to Hiromitsu for a nice side story, and that's that. Sure, you can say Koumei now has a tie to the BO through Scotch, but being involved with them is a completely different leap that Gosho hasn't even introduced or hinted at. In other words... we can't tell yet with the info that we have that he is 100% getting involved in the BO plot.

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On 9/11/2018 at 7:53 AM, MeiTanteixX said:

Wakita Kanenori, Katsumata Chikara, Iori Muga... he is not the only suspect.

 

Not sure I would classify him as effeminate. What exactly suggests that?

 

Not necessarily. Gosho could simply make him related to Hiromitsu for a nice side story, and that's that. Sure, you can say Koumei now has a tie to the BO through Scotch, but being involved with them is a completely different leap that Gosho hasn't even introduced or hinted at. In other words... we can't tell yet with the info that we have that he is 100% getting involved in the BO plot.

 

Okay he is officially Scotch's brother as confirmed in file 1021

Rei and Scotch were confirmed to have met each other in childhood.I also take it for serious when Gosho said that Rum has "Already" appeared before file 906  and before all those others were introduced (kuroda,iori muga,wakita ,rumi) Chikara is a possible candidate but i don't see anything suspicious about him till now and we don't have much focus on him,i.e. Takaaki has technically appeared in more cases and with more screentime than Chikara

See you when Takaaki gets confirmed to be Rum

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Rum..yeah we can kind of take out Kuroda being Rum because In one of the Manga Files Rum contacted Bourbon and Rei/Bourbon was nervous About what Rum texted him

but..later in the file or another file Bourbon was on the phone with Kuroda and was not nervous whatsoever my guess Is Kuroda is part of the NPA with Bourbon and Kuroda is his boss or something like That..Well that's my guess it kind of makes sense!

 

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last Chapter 1027-1031-She is Rum!

Hello!

I'm very sure that Wakasa Rumi is Rum,Now i will tell why.

First I think that Rum is normally a Male(A Old men).

He took the Apotoxin and than he was a Men in the 30's or 40's 

Then he became a Woman.This shows how easy someone can called a Old men,a strongly man and a Woman.

In the last Chapter it was Really important to look at  Wakita.He and Bourbon thought about something and Wakita said 9 tailed Fox!read about it.Its a Woman,who seduce someone into bad things or something like that.But more important is the Start of the Chapter.Conan and the others playing Cards.He holds the Heart 4 and the Joker Card!!! Joker means trickster its also a personality which is really crazy and its easy to jump into another person or play another role of personality.Gosho tries to make us insecure.

 

Now i have more about Wakita to tell!

-Look at his Smile!

-Look at his posture!

-Look at his Hobbys!

 

And yes everyone of his Childs has something inherited of him.

 

Masumis Smile(Btw they booth have something wrong with the Teeth:o)

Shukichis posture(The crossed arms)

Shuichis Hobbys(Criminal and to Cook)

 

Kanenori Wakita is Tsutomu Akai!He also finds out that Shuichi lives in Kudos Villa this is the Reason why he wants to deliever sushi there although no one called him.He and Hyoe Kuroda are related.They have the same phones and Wakita must know that Akai lives in the Villa from Kuroda,because he knowes it from Bourbon.Maybe Bourbon should not know that Wakita is tsutomu Akai and Kuroda wants Bourbon only to find more about special things.I have i idea who could be Kuroda but for now it should be okay.

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On 3/16/2019 at 3:48 AM, Secretgirl16 said:

Sorry I want everything surrounded by Spoiler :blush:I dont know how to delete these

Click "edit", select everything that you want to surround in spoilers, click on the eye symbol for "spoiler". And then "save changes".

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So, since "asaca rum" has been revealed to mean "karasuma", doesn't that mean Wakasa Rumi's obviously suspicious name becomes irrelevant? 

 

Koumei's very pointed comments about "time is money" comes across as red herring too. 

 

Anyone ever mentioned the possibility that Kuroda is both Akai Tsutomu and Rum? Someone who is originally trying to spy into the org, but ended up a turncoat and became loyal to the org instead. 

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On 3/23/2019 at 12:01 PM, Kitahata said:

So, since "asaca rum" has been revealed to mean "karasuma", doesn't that mean Wakasa Rumi's obviously suspicious name becomes irrelevant? 

 

Koumei's very pointed comments about "time is money" comes across as red herring too. 

 

Anyone ever mentioned the possibility that Kuroda is both Akai Tsutomu and Rum? Someone who is originally trying to spy into the org, but ended up a turncoat and became loyal to the org instead. 

i think karasuma renya is the boss? i read a post on the red thread page about some spoiler (i forgot what spoiler) that rum is among wakita, kuroda, and wakasa rumi. it has been made clear that karasuma is the boss. he is disappearing since many years ago and he is wealthy enough to fund black organization

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My Theory :

1. RUM Involved in the death of Amanda Hughes (Main Target) and Haneda Kohji. << RUM Involvement

2. Asaka (The Bodyguard) last seen is holding the Mascara Mirror brand that written "Put On Mascara", Asaka is Woman. << Who is Asaka

3. It seems Asaka or Haneda Kohji or Both of them is the one who left dying message, the evidence say that Haneda Kohji's palm is injured due holding scissors. << Fact of Dying Message

4. RUM Didn't know what's his mistake on that Mission as Black Organization member. So RUM try to upload this case to internet to figure it out too, maybe he got some clue, and it comes to Conan and Akai who got the same case just like 17 years ago. << RUM's secondary mission

5. Dying message is not appoint that Asaka is Rum, but it refer to Carasuma Group. << Yusaku Kudo theory

6. 3 Peoples appear after Kir text, A. Hyoue Kuroda, B. Wakasa Rumi, and the C. Wakita Kanenori. << Timeline Fact

7. Black Organization also have NOC lists that infiltrate security bureau or government. << Based on Movie 13 (Irish's Mission)

Possibility Based on Suspicion Link : Hyoue Kuroda 55%, Wakasa Rumi 60%, Wakita Kanenori 45%

If next chapter explain relationship clue why Wakasa Rumi regretting Haneda Kohji's death, the suspicion to Wakasa Rumi would be vanish.

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