What is the connection between Gin and Sherry?

[Kiel95 86]

You mean Gin+Sherry cocktail?

I tasted it,and it tastes normal like any other wine.

Note:I'm actually an adult,don't mind my birth date in my profile.

Also Note:Gin+Sherry is good combination,But Gin and Sherry?You've got to be effin kidding me!

@Gin,I'll slit your throat if you touch my Sherry...

<3 yaaay, another person who don't want gin touchin our Sherry!!! XDD

[Rye 121]

Back to the main topic, Gin and Shiho's relationship has been mentioned in the official Conan Drill guidebook (Specifically it's the relationship diagram on page 239). I moved the arrow legend to the top to save space. Note it was written before the conclusion of the Vermouth arc before Gin had suspicions about Vermouth being up to no good and keeping dangerous secrets.

In case the image goes down, the text of the image is in the spoiler

Translation by Abs.

LEGEND

--->

仕事上の関係

Work relationship

===>

恋愛関係

Love relationship

--->

相手への気持ち

Feelings toward the other

_______________________________

Gin Shiho arrows

G ----> S

異常な執着

Abnormal attachment

G <===> S

恋愛関係？

Love relationship?

G ----> S

研究者として評価

Valued as a researcher

裏切り者への軽蔑

Scorned as a traitor

G <---- S

憎しみ

Hatred

________________________________________

Gin Vermouth Arrows

G ----> V

アバンチュールの相手

Activity partner

G <===> V

肉体関係

Sexual relations

G <-----> V

同僚・信頼

Colleagues. Trusted.

G <--- V

好意

Good will

________________________________________

Shiho Vermouth arrows

Sherry <---> Vermouth

Love rivals?

Sherry ---> Vermouth

Fear

Vermouth ---> Sherry

Target, rivalry?

Gin's connection with Sherry which has led to his obsession over hunting her down and her hatred and extreme fear of him probably goes back to a relationship they had before Shiho betrayed the Org.

Gin clearly knows Shiho personality very well as he can anticipate her movements despite having rather different lines of work. Shiho hardly knew most of the other agents in non-science related positions. She hadn't met Pisco since she was a baby, she had only heard of Korn and Chianti, and hadn't heard of Kir. Bourbon is new and thus doesn't count. Conan never asked about Tequila. Vermouth likely had a connection with the parents because of her apparent aging weirdness despite not being in science. Gin is on the business/assassination side of things, so it is anomalous how well he seems to know her given how she doesn't know much about anyone else outside of the research branch. They clearly have a connection outside of their professions to account for knowing each other so well. They must have spent lots of time together if Gin can identify her from a single hair with conviction.

There are various possibilities for relationships between Shiho and Gin, like childhood friends (age difference could be an issue), mutual relationship or one sided attraction or abuse (Age difference again is an issue and that Shiho was in America until recently), mentor-mentee, etc. There is a strong case to be made for a romantic mutual relationship or onesided attraction using a good retranslation of the first chapter of the Reunion with the Black Org (the Pisco case) (file 24-7 or 238, ep 176) where the translator pointed out the innuendo Gin was using. (The retranslation was by kentaru). The retranslated monologue of Gin's in the dream is as follows:

The translator also had a notes page from which I will quote a relevant section:

Now, add this information to Gin's description of their meeting as a "reunion", him thinking of her in the nude, and Haibara yelling "Don't touch me!" when Ayumi places her hand on Haibara's arm, snapping her out remembering her dream. Furthermore, when the two of them meet on the rooftop of the Hyde City Hotel, there are more suggestive exchanges. Gin purposefully chose not to do his job in the most efficient fashion- shooting Shiho in the chimney- but instead chose to make a special exception for her by waiting out for her on the snowy rooftop because killing her there would be, paraphrasing, more beautiful. She even gets into the act by thanking him, albeit sarcastically, for "waiting for her in the cold"; Shiho seems to purposefully be alluding to the stereotypic scenario of one lover waiting for another in poor climate. Gin also makes a comment about her disguise, the uniform and the glasses, being unsuitable for her, which carries an implication that he thinks there is some other outfit which would be more suitable.

In conclusion, I think there is significant evidence that they had a romantic relationship going on between them because I don't think Gin would, even though part of it is a dream, phrase things like that for the heck of it. The rooftop exchange seems to corroborate with Gin's dream personality. Whatever kind of relationship they had obviously didn't work out, probably because of Gin's messed up personality.

Based on the fact Gin is still obsessing, Shiho was probably the one to dump him.

That explains a lot. Gin and Sherry might have had a romantic relationship, but because Sherry dumped him, and Sherry betrayed the organization, he is chasing after Sherry not only because she betrayed the organization, but also because he is angry at her for dumping him. That explains why he is trying hard to catch her. Not to mention, Vermouth likes Gin, and is jealous. When she realized Conan and Ai may be a good couple, she stopped chasing after her. (Honestly, I never wanted Gin and my beautiful Sherry to have a relationship.)

[CarpetCrawler 280]

Very glad to see that other people agree with my ages-old theory that Gin and Shiho had some sort of relationship in the past, but, IMO, what I got from all of the hints is that the relationship was merely sexual. I don't think of Gin as the kind of person to even have love as an emotion, and considering Shiho's personality as well, it may be that in the past, they were actually lovers, hence Gin's obsession with finding and killing her, since that's the only thing he's ever felt and shred of feelings for.

[detectiveRJB 15]

That explains a lot. Gin and Sherry might have had a romantic relationship, but because Sherry dumped him, and Sherry betrayed the organization, he is chasing after Sherry not only because she betrayed the organization, but also because he is angry at her for dumping him. That explains why he is trying hard to catch her. Not to mention, Vermouth likes Gin, and is jealous. When she realized Conan and Ai may be a good couple, she stopped chasing after her. (Honestly, I never wanted Gin and my beautiful Sherry to have a relationship.)

Good theory.

*GASP* no shiho, nooooooo, please say you didn't have a love affair with gin, pleeeeeeaaaaaseeeeeeeee *gets on knees to beg*

I think this theory perfect with my theory.

Shiho need power BO like Gin.because Sherry not Gin but use him to save her love.She will do every can alive Shinichi.

[Scar Akai 65]

<3 yaaay, another person who don't want gin touchin our Sherry!!! XDD

yep! Or else, Shiho won't be 'clean' for Shinichi. Lol

[Rye 121]

Akai-kun, what do you mean by "clean"?

[blueberry 25]

Akai-kun, what do you mean by "clean"?

i had the same reaction. and no need to worry Akai-kun i am pretty sure she is even if she had a lover.

[Rye 121]

*Sigh* Yeah. I hope that's true. But still, Gin thinking of her in the nude, and calling their meeting at Haido City Hotel a reunion, I am still in a big shock.

[blueberry 25]

*Sigh* Yeah. I hope that's true. But still, Gin thinking of her in the nude, and calling their meeting at Haido City Hotel a reunion, I am still in a big shock.

well maybe Gin loved Shiho but never told her although i have a feeling that they were lovers

i am actually happy since i don't like Ai

[Rye 121]

well maybe Gin loved Shiho but never told her although i have a feeling that they were lovers

i am actually happy since i don't like Ai

BLUEBERRY-CHAN!!!

Why? Why? Why?

WHY?

Why don't you like Ai?

WHY?

[Chekhov MacGuffin 1089]

BLUEBERRY-CHAN!!!

Why? Why? Why?

WHY?

Why don't you like Ai?

WHY?

Let's not get off topic. Besides, if Conan and Ai were to get together, I think he would overlook Ai's past with Gin.

[Rye 121]

Let's not get off topic. Besides, if Conan and Ai were to get together, I think he would overlook Ai's past with Gin.

You mean...he's gonna get interested in their past?

[Chekhov MacGuffin 1089]

You mean...he's gonna get interested in their past?

I don't think Conan would be especially interested because I doubt he wants to push into her private affairs, especially if the memories associated with them are bad. I'm pretty sure Conan is aware of the possibility that Gin and Sherry were together. He started to ask her on page 15 of Volume 24 - 11, but she cut him off. (It's ep 178)

[User 4869 100]

*Sigh* Yeah. I hope that's true. But still, Gin thinking of her in the nude, and calling their meeting at Haido City Hotel a reunion, I am still in a big shock.

Shinichi also think of random female suspects nude (Newyork case) (Which mean it can be interpret as just artwork not relationship). Vermouth also refer to her meeting with Jodie as 20 years reunion.

I still open for possibility that they have romantic relation in some way (one-side or not). But personally I think (and hope) it just a dropped idea, or it will be brought back at the very end, when everything come to close and we need more dramatic scene.

@Chekhov (but she cut him off)

And he don't bother to ask her again. Just like when Kogoro suspect of Conan and distracted by Yoko. :grin:

@Chekhov (Let's not get off topic)

Absolute genre savvy. :grin: :grin: :grin:

[Scar Akai 65]

Yea... and since Ai cut him off, he might try to find the truth himself. But I guess that Conan won't really care about that as he isn't THAT sensitive.

[Chekhov MacGuffin 1089]

I've taken a major step towards my unintentional goal of being the AiCon most hated by other AiCons without having trolled anyone. http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/Gin_and_Sherry

(Actually, I'm pretty neutral as far as pairings go (except AkaixJodie), but I like to pretend I'm an AiCon. But then again no one cares.)

[detectiveRJB 15]

I Believe is Gin Love Sherry.Sherry not love him.Sherry have love.She us him

[blueberry 25]

Yea... and since Ai cut him off, he might try to find the truth himself. But I guess that Conan won't really care about that as he isn't THAT sensitive.

yeah because its none of his busines and he doesn't love her so why bother?

I've taken a major step towards my unintentional goal of being the AiCon most hated by other AiCons without having trolled anyone. http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/Gin_and_Sherry

(Actually, I'm pretty neutral as far as pairings go (except AkaixJodie), but I like to pretend I'm an AiCon. But then again no one cares.)

why do you not like akaixJodie Akemi died so Jodie is the only one left except for camel AkaixCamel great idea

back on topic: I stil think that Gin loved her maybe Shiho didn't love him but decided to be with him so maybe he'll care about her life and not kill her sister or maybe because she was afraid that he'll kill her if she doesn't go out with him or pretend to love him too.

[Chekhov MacGuffin 1089]

why do you not like akaixJodie Akemi died so Jodie is the only one left except for camel AkaixCamel great idea

No, I highly support AkaixJodie because it's comedic and cute at the same time. I don't mind AkaixAkemi, I just would rather see a slightly tipsy Jodie trying to stuff a birthday hat on Akai's head. (She would do something like that)

back on topic: I stil think that Gin loved her maybe Shiho didn't love him but decided to be with him so maybe he'll care about her life and not kill her sister or maybe because she was afraid that he'll kill her if she doesn't go out with him or pretend to love him too.

According to the timeline, Shiho returned from America and was already a scientist for the Org by thirteen. At that age, in the dark and bloody world of the Black Organization, any reliable protective figure would be someone to cling to, and let's face it, she probably wouldn't have developed all the relationship savvy that normal girls her age would because she kept to herself, was probably with people completely out of her age group most of the time in America, and was focused on science studies. (I do hope though that any relationship between Gin and Sherry developed when she was several years older because it would be extremely creepy otherwise.)

[blueberry 25]

No, I highly support AkaixJodie because it's comedic and cute at the same time. I don't mind AkaixAkemi, I just would rather see a slightly tipsy Jodie trying to stuff a birthday hat on Akai's head. (She would do something like that)

oh i see you actually support the couple I thought that you didn't like it sorry my bad

According to the timeline, Shiho returned from America and was already a scientist for the Org by thirteen. At that age, in the dark and bloody world of the Black Organization, any reliable protective figure would be someone to cling to, and let's face it, she probably wouldn't have developed all the relationship savvy that normal girls her age would because she kept to herself, was probably with people completely out of her age group most of the time in America, and was focused on science studies. (I do hope though that any relationship between Gin and Sherry developed when she was several years older because it would be extremely creepy otherwise.)

yeah she still doesn't sound like a normal 18 years old girl and how so you know that she was a scientist by the age of 13? what episode was that?

lol I already think that its extremely creepy he's like 30-40 years older than her but of course not as creepy if she was 13. Honestly Gin is a very awkward person he gets mad for simple things (like what he did when vermouth pretended to a worker in a restaurant) and he doesn't care about anyone even himself could it be that he's a lolicon

[Chekhov MacGuffin 1089]

yeah she still doesn't sound like a normal 18 years old girl and how so you know that she was a scientist by the age of 13? what episode was that?

You can figure it based on what the FBI told Conan about Akai's mission. Akai started infiltrating the Org five years ago. He did so by becoming Akemi’s girlfriend in order to get close to Shiho and use her influence to get in. (Manga Volume 58, File 2, pg 9: "Akai's Past") According to the FBI’s description, Shiho was “a scientist for them” at the time. Furthermore this took place in Japan since everyone was speaking Japanese, Akemi lived in Japan, and the FBI bust two years prior to the current timeline was in Japan (607 pg 8). If Shiho is 18 now, she would be 13 at the time Akai started infiltrating the Org and she was already a scientist for them at this point and high ranked.

lol I already think that its extremely creepy he's like 30-40 years older than her but of course not as creepy if she was 13.

My impression is that he is about the same age as Akai, barring extremely freaky aging problems like Vermouth's.

[blueberry 25]

You can figure it based on what the FBI told Conan about Akai's mission. Akai started infiltrating the Org five years ago. He did so by becoming Akemi’s girlfriend in order to get close to Shiho and use her influence to get in. (Manga Volume 58, File 2, pg 9: "Akai's Past") According to the FBI’s description, Shiho was “a scientist for them” at the time. Furthermore this took place in Japan since everyone was speaking Japanese, Akemi lived in Japan, and the FBI bust two years prior to the current timeline was in Japan (607 pg 8). If Shiho is 18 now, she would be 13 at the time Akai started infiltrating the Org and she was already a scientist for them at this point and high ranked.

My impression is that he is about the same age as Akai, barring extremely freaky aging problems like Vermouth's.

no way Akai looks like if he is 25-30 Gin looks like he's 35-50 I don't know in the beginning of the series he looked 30 but when they stated drawing him with white hair he looked pretty old

[Chekhov MacGuffin 1089]

no way Akai looks like if he is 25-30 Gin looks like he's 35-50 I don't know in the beginning of the series he looked 30 but when they stated drawing him with white hair he looked pretty old

He always had silver/white hair. The silly animators messed that up. Basically though if you cut out the hair, his face looks like Akai's.

[blueberry 25]

He always had silver/white hair. The silly animators messed that up. Basically though if you cut out the hair, his face looks like Akai's.

half of his face is hidden under the hat and his long hair its kinda hard to imagine his face but still I don't think she liked him even if his age was close to hers

[Chekhov MacGuffin 1089]

half of his face is hidden under the hat and his long hair its kinda hard to imagine his face but still I don't think she liked him even if his age was close to hers

My feeling about it is Shiho didn't know better and probably saw him as a protective figure. Later, she became more mature and realized that he is someone you wouldn't want to touch with a ten foot poll, so she dumped him. My guess is that talking with her sister probably helped her understand what a more normal relationship is like and what to aim for.

I'm basing this on the observation that Haibara came onto to Kudo very quickly at first, which I think was because of his protective and reliable personality which enabled him to protect her, as well as being a nice guy. Lately she seems to have backed off him a bit which coincides with her gaining more confidence in herself and making her decision to not run away. I think she likes Shinichi now more for the kind of person he is than for his ability to protect her which she valued early on.