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Some of the details don't quite match (like hairstyles and skin colors), but the anime staff probably re-used the character designs of those children.

What User 4869 said. Also, assuming that Gosho wanted to change the dialogues in order to foreshadow Heiji's connection with the BO, he would have done this with his own manga (which he has most influence on), but he never did. There's no point in altering Funimation's version (not so many people actually watch Case Closed anyway) without doing the same to the original version in Japan (where most Conan fans live) and other dubbed versions throughout the world. It's obviously Fun's work of changing the dialogues in order to cover the plot hole of the Japanese anime version (i.e giving Conan the "chance" to learn Gin and Vodka's codenames). Gosho's manga, on the other hand, did have a good reason why Conan knows their names. I'm pretty sure that by the time the English dub version of this episode aired in the US (2004), the DC series has already become really famous in Japan, as the manga had already passed... the Vermouth arc (Vol 44 was released on January 2004). The series had already been really long at that point, so there's no reason for Gosho to contact the American scriptwriters and make Heiji a BO just because he thought that it wouldn't be long.

Unless they fabricated the translation (which I doubt), it wasn't Funimation's fault actually. They just translated the dialogues directly from the original Japanese version. The reason why the Japanese anime producers decided to alter some details of the plot (e.g changing Gin and Vodka to two look-alikes in at least two cases) was because they didn't expect that the Detective Conan series would become this famous (let alone still on-going till today), since they probably thought that doing so wouldn't leave any cliffhanger behind, should they give DC an immediate end. But when it did, this backfired really badly as it created severe plot holes. So of course they had to alter even more plots to fix those plot holes (like re-introducing Akemi in episode 128). You can refer to this list to see what else did they change. (But beware, the article's not completed yet.) EDIT: OK LOL just watched both versions (English dub and sub), and yes, Funimation DID fabricate the conversation. The original Japanese version of the dialogues are basically the same as in the manga (Heiji compliments Shinichi for beating him, but Shinichi denies this by saying that deductions aren't about winning or losing, because there's always only one truth, and so on...). So this is even more unreliable. http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/Diplomat_Murder_Case#Dub_changes But then again, this leaves another infamous plot hole in the Japanese version: How the hell did Conan learn Gin and Vodka's code names? Therefore, always refer to the canon Japanese manga when it comes to the plot.

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Awww... I'll take them and sell for money

Sounds like 527: The Malice Hidden Behind the Masque. Attempting to murder someone is still a crime though... :/

Yep.

873 Chinese: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2606322563

I heard that Movie 17 is very case-focused and has less actions than the previous ones. Can't guarantee it would be the best mystery though, but I'm really looking forward to the DVD/Blu-ray releases.

@PetePete: That image was deleted because it was a whole manga page, with watermarks on it. Even if they're only placeholders, we usually don't use whole manga pages to avoid legal issues regarding copyright infringement, and the watermarks only make it worse. Since it's an image about a certain disguise, we only need to focus on the character's face and that particular panel.

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Too bad their baby is blond...

870 Chinese: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2550031486

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866 Chinese: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2469902567

Wait, how can Mitsuhiko's sister also be a teacher? Isn't she only 17? Unless Gosho really means "future teacher" or that she took up family tutor as a part-time job... Thanks for organizing and posting the translations by the way!

A brief summary of what's going on in this file:

THIS THREAD is used to discuss about SPOILERS. In other words, if you only read the English version and wish to wait for the official release instead of getting spoiled, this is NOT the right place for you! RULES OF THE SPOILER-ONLY DISCUSSION THREAD: 1. Any kind of spoiler involving the case (pictures, texts, information, full scans...) of any language that is released before the actual English version must be posted HERE. The English translations of the spoilers must also be posted here. Please DO NOT share them at the thread made for English-files readers only, in ANY form (NOT even in spoiler boxes). 2. Any kind of discussion involving the spoilers must be posted HERE. Please DO NOT reveal, give hints or talk about any information or event (that has not yet happened in the English releases) at the thread made for English-files readers only, in ANY form (NOT even in spoiler boxes). 3. Despite being a Spoiler-only thread, EVERY spoiler and discussion involving events that has not yet happened in the English releases STILL has to be put inside Spoiler boxes. When the mentioned file is officially released in English, this is not necessary anymore. 4. NO DIRECT LINK to Original Japanese scans (RAWs) or to ANY English manga scan because we don't want to have any problem with lawyers. (Japanese spoiler pictures are allowed as long as the amount and quality of which are very very far away from a full scan, like the ones we usually have). Q&A: ANYWAY, everyone should read this whole post carefully before posting or viewing anything. If you are mistaken for not paying attention to it, the creator of the thread, the moderators and every other forum members will NOT take any responsibility. 865 Chinese: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2451603069