Kyuu Nye

AJ.M wasn't saying that my opinion was invalid, rather mislead. Unless I was reading his responses wrong. However, I didn't see it this way, and thus elaborated my position of arrogance. Ran and Shinichi are naive, which is where their arrogance stems. Thinking they can save everyone in every situation. I cited that one case where Ran prevented the police from doing their job, on the off chance the crazy person would be stopped, or that he wouldn't react differently when tricked. Ran and Shinichi gambled, which could have killed everyone. Again, these ideals are fine when not blind, but Ran and Shinichi clearly have blind idealism. Whether or not it stems from altruism, them thinking they can always do something, in my opinion is arrogant, which stems from their naivety from being teenagers. It is quite common for teenagers to think they are untouchable, and it is a dangerous mindset to have. Also, even the most altruistic person does not always act when they are unable or do not posses the ability. "Any expierance with MA or MMA"? I have 16 years of MA experience under my belt, with 10 of those years teaching. I have done a number of martial arts and participated in tournament matches in straight Karate, TKD and MMA. That being said... Allow me to explain why I know that most Karate is not the most effective, nor really all that well respected in the MA world. Karate, in its purest form, was a straight forward MA that was effective and useful. Over the years though, like TKD, it became a style mainly for use in competition. A number of techniques that were extremely effective irl, were not really taught, or even phased out of the popular styles like Shotokan, Goju and Shito. Shotokan especially got hit hard by this sports movement. When styles based upon rules move into the real world, instincts go towards moves that wouldn't be illegal in the ring which limits the practitioner greatly. Now, for Ran in particular, she practices, quite obviously, a sports style of Karate. Japanese Karate clubs almost always focus on the sports aspect of Karate, or the spiritual aspect. Ever ask a Karate practitioner what style they practice? I have, and most don't have a bloody clue. Perhaps it would be different in Japan, but because of Karate's spread and scope, its not really well respected in the MA world, not like it once was before its surge of popularity due to movies. Now as for effectiveness in the real world. You brought up MMA and cited how effective strikes are as opposed to grappling and submission. In MMA, find me a champion that doesn't know at least some BJJ or other grappling art, and I'll show you 10 others that are BJJ black belts or other grappling black belts. That aside, allow me to cite some martial arts used my military and paramilitary organizations... Krav Maga, MCMAP, Systema, Hapkido, Jujutsu... All of those focus on striking for one purpose, and one purpose only... to bring the person down to the ground and finish them. Why? Because in the real world, most fights are not finished in one move, or even a series of strikes, unless the practitioner is really lucky. Submissions, grappling, locks... all of them are focal points of training in all of those martial arts. Most police agencies also focus on submission style techniques as a form of finishing a fight as opposed to striking. Why? Because submissions and throws are simply more effective than strikes. In grappling you control your opponents movements, which is advantageous is stopping a violent situation. Also, because grappling relies on leverage, it requires far less strength to be effective. Finally, if someone broke into Ran's circle of defense, she'd be done. It is as simple as that. Any determined person can do it too, no real skill is necessary. Karate practitioners are useless on the ground or in extreme close quarters. Now, there are nonsport styles of Karate that do work better, but the lack of grapling severely limits its effectiveness. I'm thinking mostly of Kyukushin. If you find a school that focuses not on competition, but on the art, then it is also a bit different. However, again, for Ran this does not seem to be the case. If you want to delve more into this, feel free to head to the martial arts thread. I'd be happy discuss martial arts with you there. It would also be nice to see the thread revived by someone new. Fair enough my good man. Was a pleasure as always. Though, these are characters of extremes as they are pretty much tropes of character archetypes. So I suppose the angle is up to interpretation. I will say this, I do believe Gosho intends your view. However, I do not see it as a realistic view, but an idealistic view that is not possible in the scope of the real world.

AJ, I'm going to respond with two definitions... Arrogant: Having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities. If thinking you can diffuse any situation when you are a teenager without the proper training or experience is not arrogant, then please, tell me what is. Their selfishness may be part of it, but the fact that they don't have the proper training or abilities to actually do such things makes their actions in those situations arrogant. Conversely... Selfish: (of a person, action, or motive) Lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure. They are not doing it for their own profit, and I don't think Ran is doing it for her own pleasure (though Shinichi probably is, darn mystery freak ). They both lack consideration for others, but that is not enough to categorize it as selfish, imo as they are really doing it for the benefit of others despite what others want. Shinichi's actions towards the BO are selfish, but that is not what we are talking about here.

I don't think it is wrong for Ran or Shinichi to want it, but they also act on it. Ran technically interfered with police, which is, last I checked, illegal. Naturally the police can't blame her, because they have to assume that she was forced to by the perpetrator. I do think it is arrogant that they think they can always do it, without the proper training to do anything properly. It is a character flaw, which was kinda the point... right? I think that is what my point was. That their blind idealism is a character flaw. And, yes, to me, it would make it worth while if it backfired down the line. But I, for some reason, don't foresee Gosho doing that. That thought really bothers me. I hope I am proven wrong though. That said, it is still a character flaw, and a big one imho.

You are asking an impossibly huge undertaking of anyone, including DCTP. There is a lot to do to be able to do any one of those things. Not even DCTP has the resources or the means to be able to. I should mention that you are also not the first to ask. The novels especially are a huge difficulty. Editing a 16 page manga file is child's play when compared to the task of translating a chapter of a novel that is pure text. In fact, Miyano-sama and Jd- attempted to do just that with two novels and didn't make it far. You can find that project on the DCTP forums in the Fansubs and Scanlation section. If you want the raws, I'm sure you can purchase them on the internet, which is what I suggest you do. The asking of raws is universally frowned upon in the fansubbing/scanlating community, unless you are another translating group whom wishes to translate from Japanese to [insert language here]. This does not seem to be the case here though. Please support Aoyama Gosho by purchasing his work as opposed to downloading it. Sorry I couldn't help more, but seriously, what you are asking for is currently impossible to do.

CC too... CC is a big Derp fan.

You are doing the same thing as PL. You are confusing wanting to save anyone than thinking it is your job to save everyone. And it is arrogant, at least I think so. They are only teenagers. If they were older and had the proper training, I might think differently, but that is not the case here. In the Shirigami case, what would have happened if, instead of checking the gun he tried to pull the trigger out of anger? Arrogance would have been his downfall in that situation. And it could have resulted in his death as well as anyone else in that room. The entire situation could have ended badly. For Ran... There is one case in the manga that I can not forgive

Phantomlady, I've already explained my position clearly, and thus do not see the need to delve deeper. Please reread my posts, the answer to your queries lie within. Btw, if anyone else thinks I haven't, I'll gladly elaborate, but as of right now I see not the need.

I'm going to repeat this... Tapatalk exists for the forums, which I am using now. How often do you use the wiki on mobile? Really? For me it's an astounding "never." I see no point, and a waste of effort time and money. This is my opinion. And please do not compare Facebook, an enormous conglomerate social media network, to a small forum and wiki fan site. Look at DCTP. They have less than DCW, and are comparatively bigger in the same fandom. No mobile sites at all, only tapatalk. Be thankful for what you have.

DCTP = Detective Conan Translation Project. The primary group translating the Detective Conan Anime and manga. We are the reason you can read current manga files and can watch current Anime episodes. We also translate all the movies, OVAs and magic files. This also includes all Magic Kaitou episodes that may come out.

Yes you are. Though they are both understood, to the opposite, I have been told, sounds stronger. So saying "aho" to someone who is from Tokyo is worse than saying "baka," and visa versa for Kansai. Honestly, most of DC has taught me has been taken over by what school has taught me. The only things that I can think of is the dual tone dial tone from M12 and the watch direction trick (which I am still not sure is actually true, but I'll take it as such)

Ran is a normal person as is Shinichi. Them taking on such a task is arrogant and dangerous. Let me put it to you this way... The person has already killed, if Shinichi failed or ran failed then more would be sacrificed. They would kill again if cornered, and has almost happened numerous times before (as in a criminal attempted to do something after). The police threaten with use of force and act on it. Shinichi, nor ran have that luxury. That to me, is arrogant. Idealism is great when you don't put other people's lives on the line. Edit: Also, there are quite a few people who think like I do... It is called cynicism. I don't like killing, but I respect the fact that in some situations it is necessary. It isn't saying to kill indiscriminately, or to kill a suspect whom obviously poses no threat. However, the mere idea that you, yourself, can save everyone is arrogant, and thinking that without the proper training is dangerous. Unless Ran or Shinichi reveals that they have secretly been training with a Japanese law enforcement or military agency in negotiation, and extraction and applicable submission techniques, it is highly dangerous and probably stupid to face such situations. Ran knows Karate, great, but I'd much rather trust Kazuha who knows Aikido or Kogorou who knows Judo and can SUBMIT and SUBDUE a suspect. Ran can kick and punch, and Shinichi can kick a ball. Neither have what it actually takes to diffuse a violent situation if a suspect decides to become violent. Shinichi has the mental capacity to figure things out, but not the physical prowess. Ran has neither. So again, for me, yes both Ran and Shinichi are arrogant that they think they can take on that responsibility. Shinichi, luckily enough, at least learned that he CAN'T save everybody. At least twice, once with the Moonlight Sonata case and once with Akemi. However he still harbors that the naivety that he can do something in every situation despite being ill equipped. And the fact that both try, is dangerous. I should mention this as well. I do not mean for when either put their OWN LIFE on the line to take a literal or proverbial bullet for someone else. That I do respect, because they are putting their own life on the line to prevent the death of another. However, if that person becomes safe and they prevent a police officer from doing their job, that I do not agree with. Situations tend to escalate, and if you prevent someone that has the means to kill to be killed when there was opportunity, who is to say that situation will turn in your favor or it won't escalate to something worse. What if that criminal takes that opportunity to shoot the officer who was going to shoot him? Then you just allowed a hero to die to save a killer. I'm sorry, but I believe in logical resolutions, and blind idealism that Ran and Shinichi sport I can never nor will ever agree with. Even Holmes himself knew that killing was sometimes necessary and did it twice in memory. Whether or not you agree, is up to you. But I consider that a grave flaw in her character, as well as Shinichi's.

I'm now currently boycotting these movies. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-17350103

No worries SLink, it happens to the best of us. That is why I made a diagram to show you where to look. If you ever have issues in the future finding the current chapter, let me know and I'll help you out, you can elect to send me a PM or a comment. You can also ask directly on the DCTP cbox (which is also on the main page), there are users there who will gladly help you, myself included if I'm around (usually if you don't see it and it was just announced, it is usually an issue pertaining to an old cache, and clearing it should fix the problem) We announce releases on our forums and on our Twitter, so if it says its released, and you don't see it on our main page, I'll probably be able to help you out. Hope that clears up any confusion. Best, Kyuu PS: I totally add a "y" to the end of your name which thereby instantly plays the slinky theme in my head

I still say that is actually a weakness based off of naivety. There are times when the lives of the many out-weigh the lives of the few. As screwed up as that may be, it is true, and police officers have to make that decision constantly, and none of them kid themselves thinking they can save everyone, because they know they can't. It is a fact of life. And thinking you are superman and risking the lives of several people and trying to save one person who has killed before is in my opinion stupid and arrogant. In a hostage situation, if SWAT is called in and they are able to ... they aim to kill, not capture the hostage takers. Aiming for a double tap to the heart and one to the head. Why? Because it is unknown what they MIGHT do in response to being captured, or in an attempt to be captured. If someone has killed or has shown the predisposition to killing, they don't take chances. They go for the quick and guaranteed solution. Any movie in which you see cops aiming for kneecaps or what not, rarely if ever happens. Both Ran and Shinichi share this weakness btw. I think she actually got it from him, well perhaps not the preserving of life part, but the will to act.

Yeah, I'm fairly sure of it going back to Vol 42 It is hard to tell though, because it is hidden in 27-53, and they are continually being removed as Viz releases volumes.

The newest manga chapters are on the main page. And it is very up to date, always is. It is the most up to date you can get, users download and then upload to [insert manga site here]. Here is a diagram: @MadelineLime: It actually goes back to Volume 42. The others redirect to links to buy, since... well... We want our readers to support Viz's efforts.

It isn't as dark at the old one. Which makes me sad... It isn't bad though... not at all.

It's a horrible idea when there are already mobile methods in place for the two things that actually matter. At least in my opinion... iPhone mobile site for wiki (a user agent for Android makes it for both) iPhone and Android mobile sites for forum Tapatalk for forum. Why do you need an app? I'm confused. I use tapatalk for the forum, and I never use the wiki on my phone, it just doesn't happen. Perhaps you do, but if you have an iDevice, you automatically get transferred to the mobile site...

Oi oi oi, why are you calling ME out?! Though... since you mentioned me... I'll do as you requested... Did you read the rules that you are thanking Kaze for? It says pretty explicitly not to double post... You like quintuple posted >_> Please use MultiQuote in the future. Select the posts you want to reply to by clicking "MultiQuote" and then click "add reply." In doing so, all the posts will be put in to one post and you can reply to each person individually without creating multiple posts. Other than that, the DCW rules are pretty explicit. The only thing that isn't allowed that isn't mentioned is linking to where you can obtain illegal materials (ie youtube links of episodes, downloads of episodes, manga chapters...ect). That is about it. OH! And PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE use the search function of the site before making a new thread. It isn't against the rules per say, but it is still annoying when multiple people post the same thread, instead of adding to the already standing discussion. Other than that, I welcome you to DCW. I am Kyuu[ketsuki], the resident [Mad] Scientist. -tips hat and rides off into the sunset- PS: sharing your REAL name and location is a BAD idea. You should edit your post and correct that. Aliases (your chosen username) is enough to identify you by.

And humans. Humans are animals too

Harry Potter, and Stephen King agrees. Enough said.