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Or,... The BO started a drug research 50 years ago. It ended up failing(Vermouth's state being a possible result of that, or the boss' possible shrinking). The BO wanted to use Atsushi's and Elena's research ideas("Silver Bullet") because it had potential to correct the errors of their own research or/and fix the problems that followed its failure(like the possible shrinking) if it(SB) was used as a foundation for it(BO research). The Miyano parents started the "Silver Bullet" project(creation of a "dream drug"), and the BO used the funds of many contributors(like Pisco) to help them develop the "Silver Bullet" drug. Roughly 18 years ago, the Miyano suddenly had a reason to "leave" their daughters and, most likely, the BO behind to finish their research. Reasons could be(could be a combination of these reasons): The BO started using humans as guinea pigs, which was recorded in the APTX list(which was labeled as "Silver Bullet" list in the past). The Miyano parents found out about the BO's criminal activities and realized that they might turn SB into a "terrifying drug". Elena had a sense of foreboding(similar to Haibara's sense) that someone(probably Vermouth) was gonna do something if they continued with the research(which lead to the eventual "accident", that was probably orchestrated). It's also possible that what became an incentive for them wanting to "leave"(and for Vermouth to orchestrate the "accident") is the fact that they made unreported progress with the SB(the discovery of an effect that doesn't kill). This possibility has potential to be touched upon through the recent "Asaka's disappearance" mystery. The Miyano parents were probably seeking MI6's(Mary's) help, and they most likely faced two options, where they took their daughters with them, but risked being caught, or they left their daughters and successfully fled(and ultimately saving a lot potential victims in the future). Knowing that her newborn daughter might be nurtured by the BO to become a scientist that will recreate the SB project, she created the tapes for each birthday(hoping that it will support her in the future, regardless of Shiho's choices). Before they could flee from their laboratory with their research materials, Vermouth trapped them inside and burned them along with their laboratory and research materials, in order to stop any possible development to the original BO research or/and something that could fix the problems that followed its failure. After losing their valuable scientists, the BO decides to make Shiho their new scientist(As Elena predicted), who from the start is under the impression that her parents goal was the same as BO's research goals(Original research development or/and problem fixer). She was therefore under the impression that her parents research was something that most people would consider to be non-beneficial(Doll case), rather than what it actually was(a "dream" drug). With the remains of her parent's research material and the BO's own research materials, she created what the BO started calling "APTX 4869". Regardless of whether it was to trick Sherry or not, since the APTX's foundation was partially her parents' research, the "Silver Bullet" list's data of test subjects was still gonna contribute to the APTX development, and was relabeled as "APTX" list. Sherry managed to create a drug with a shrinking side-effect. Pisco's reaction further indicates that the remains of her parents' materials have contributed to these side-effects. After hearing her mother's tape, she realizes that she was creating a completely different drug, rather than the "terrifying"/"dream" drug "Silver Bullet", and realizes that APTX 4869(or its antidote, that could be the final stage of APTX) shouldn't have been made(File 821).

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You mean Fukuri?

If Wakita was behind Mary's shrinking, then it would imply that he had access to APTX. That would at the very least make him a code-named member(in ranking), since only Gin and Pisco are so far confirmed to have been authorized to use it(two code-named agents). Overall however, I'm leaning more towards Wakita being a teacher-figure within the BO(hence the "ashita no joe" reference). I can see him being Rum's mentor, hence his possibly-foreshadowed critisizing of "pirate spirit"(Rum). Since Gin wanted to do something about Kogoro(the detective he has suspected for so long), and since Wakita's involvement could be the result of his actions, I wouldn't put past Wakita being a mentor figure to Gin as well(hence why he relied on an older higher-up, despite his portrayed trust issues with people in general).

The "dokkun" SFX is here as well during Subaru's intro, so your reasoning doesn't make sense. Other than this, how do you explain all the other times when she felt BO scent and there were heartbeats sfx? The "mal-intent" that she senses from BO people is the same as the BO scent(another layer of its functionality), and it's an 100% established pattern that every person that BO triggered her are BO affiliated. In Subaru's case, the only confirmed living male that has triggered her in the past(prior to Subaru) is Rye, and in Rumi's case, the only confirmed living female that has triggered her in the past(prior to Rumi) is Vermouth.

Nice. Here's mine: Trying to go for an interesting side character, who could have relevance to the plot (in the degree of Natsuko)

I see. I understand your standpoint on this. Looks like we have completely different views on Haibara's behavior in File 987-989. (Btw, if her reaction to Kuroda is one of your references to when she reacts to mal-intent only, then it's not a valid reference, since there was no "dokkun" sfx to begin with). This doesn't make sense to me, since her mother figure has always been Akemi. Elena was never around, so I doubt she can be reminded of someone that she doesn't remember to begin with.

Her focus and suspicion of Rumi(that lasted up to the end of file 989) kickstarted due to that initial reaction. And since the SFX is the exact same as when she reacted to BO in the past, it is that very same reaction. Are we discussing whether the BO sense she has had so far was mal intent all along, or if what she reacted to was different from the usual BO sense?

I'm curious about your opinion on Haibara getting BO-triggered by Rumi.

Just added one.

Amanda: Clean room, mysterious death(drug) --> Follows BO's M.O. Haneda: Messy room, mysterious death(drug) + dying message --> Contradicts the M.O. It's common sense that Haneda was killed last because of all the errors that wasn't dealt with, contrary to Amanda's murder. You wouldn't just leave a crime scene messy, and then clean the second crime scene. As far as we know, the "BG" is completely gone. a mysterious disappearance, right after the double murder. We don't know anything of Asaka's physical capabilities and how their skill compares to Rum, so making assumptions like "Rum effortlessly killed Amanda" is baseless. As for Haneda's room, we have the clear fact that Tsutomu was involved in that case. Gosho even recently confirmed that Akai Tsutomu was a "Jeet Kune Do" practitioner, which we have seen utilizes many violent and brutal techniques(like the eye-jab technique that Akai demonstrated in the flashback[that touched a lot on Tsutomu's disappearance]). Since the room was left messy, and since Kohji somehow found an opening to leave a message(immediately after being forcefully fed with the drug), it means that something interrupted Rum's assassination and clean-up. Tsutomu mentioned that he "made enemies with horrible people"("people" most likely referring to the black organization). It makes a lot more sense to piece those two together, meaning that Tsutomu interfered with Kohji's assassination and fought against Rum with his Jeet Kune Do skills(ultimately leaving a "terrible mess"), which gave Kohji the opening to leave the message. The eye-jab demonstration could have been a foreshadowing to when Tsutomu used it against Rum(blinding his vision in one eye), which would force him to flee. So yes,... I have reasons and facts to back-up my speculations.

Where's the implications that Rum is a disguiser? It just looks like baseless speculation that is trying to force it into making sense.

Rather than asking about that, the question should be "why is he interested in the dying message and Kohji's case?" Because if he's Tsutomu, that got involved and possible interfered with Rum(before he could get rid of evidence in Kohji's room) and that was forced to erase himself from existance because of it, he would want to figure out that culprit's(Rum's) identity(Since Rum was probably disguised to the extent that gender was ambiguous), and the dying message was his only lead. If you find a name that happens to have the same letters as the dying message, you would immediately investigate to confirm if it's an actual lead(especially since finding leads for a 17-year-old case is rare). Kuroda was trying to confirm his suspicion, when Shiratori gave him the opportunity to investigate Rumi. To me, his comment about "that person camping" looked like him being playful with the idea that Rumi might be the culprit/Rum, rather than him being certain that she is the culprit. He probably doesn't know whether that person is a woman or not(hence the "that person" wording, rather than "her"). Which I agree with(As I mentioned above), but I don't think this was just him witnessing "that person"(the culprit/Rum). He most likely confronted the culprit. I don't agree with the bolded part. As for Rumi wondering about how he knew her name(or rather, why he's watching her), she did get her answer by provoking him. He blurted out "elementary school teacher", which is something he shouldn't know, since she was only introduced as a camping chaperone, and that lead to her getting the confirmation that his suspicion is based on the news(rather than him actually knowing her true identity).

The gender neutral part was probably Gosho's touch in implying that Kuroda is talking about Rum. Basically, Kuroda was assuming and suspecting that Rumi was Rum/Asaka(due to the dying message), and that it's unlike a criminal from a secret organization to do camping activities.

I personally think that Asaka hasn't been introduced yet(or at the very least not been active in the Rum arc, if they have appeared in the past).

"That person" was most likely referring to Rum. Otherwise, it wouldn't have been gender neutral.

Or, She hates Rum because he used the SB prototype on people, which ultimately resulted Asaka's disappearance.

My point was that just because certain things weren't mentioned in the website(like Asaka being the same room as Amanda), doesn't mean that it didn't happen. As for Asaka being the uploader, since she and Tsutomu are the only candidates that we know were directly involved in the case, they are the only options that would possess those "minute-details"(As Agasa put it).

Not if she's intelligent enough to write it from a neutral standpoint, in order to avoid suspicions from whoever is removing it(BO). "Photophobic" is just your assumption from one photo, which is not a fact. She released an ambiguous photo and mentioned the hiring as a mystery. What does that reveal? Nothing.

You are already assuming that the uploader is a guy. Just because it wasn't mentioned doesn't mean that some things aren't kept hidden. Especially since this website is out in the public, the person who was directly involved in that case would naturally leave out things that would reveal their identity(like info that only one person would know). For example, if Asaka is the uploader, and was in the same room as Amanda(when she died), revealing that without evidence in the website would only expose the uploader's identity(because only Asaka herself would know this).

We agree here at least. Why? What makes you think that they didn't? Agreed. Or rather, the mysterious object has something to do with her hatred towards the keyword "prosthetic". We don't know that. Not really. He lacks the essential description compatibility. No effeminate angle, less likely to have a prosthetic.

About the "box-cutter" mystery: Yunnie's Deduction My thoughts on File 990-992:

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Iori Muga (his left eye is...)

Nothing to apologise for I think he's just a red-herring. On the other hand, I agree with the theory(that friends in Discord server made) that Wakita drugged Mary. He most likely got the eye-injury from Mary's knife-hand strike during their struggle(struck at the same eye as Akai in the flashback), and since the Wakita setup case(Gin's suspicion, File 951-953) was a Mary case, it makes a lot of sense with Gosho's plot structure. Also, question that was asked in the chapter before Wakita's intro was "By whom was Mary drugged?"