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Good luck. XD

When you debate about anything you are debating to change another person's opinion. Obviously what I am saying is failing to do that. *Sighs* I don't even want people to be AyuCon- I just want for it to be on the same level as AiCon- taken like that. That's why I still present my argument time and time again. Not to persuade people to be AyuCon, but to look at them as an equally opposing couple to whatever Conan or Haibara couple they support. *Shrugs* That character development thread would become a personal favorite of mine- I'm sure.

My point was saying the same thing over and over again (argument-wise) and getting no-where. Just going in circles. XD

Well I meant that they just kept going in circles arguing the exact same point over and over again. "Hot dogs are better!" "No, Hamburgers!" "Hot dogs!" "Hamburgers!" That kind. XD Oh yes, development. I love development too. :grin: (More specifically character development.) Which is why Ran annoys me more than Haibara. =w= I hope you don't leave here even if you do drop DC! D:

Juice and Google Chrome. Nancy Drew or Detective Conan?

No debate is ever pointless unless it goes nowhere. It's a flaw that could easily be fixed- one major even t could trigger that flaw to go away. It isn't a flaw that will always be with her- it will slowly disappear over time. The flaws I'm talking about flaws that a person can hide but can't change. A person who is irritable can work on that issue but they will always have it. Those kinds. And those people ted to get help or start creeping down a dark path with drugs or alcohol. Most people won't just hide their feelings. When you have somebody who hides their feelings and acts the way she does, then yes. That is a big part of stoicism. People recognize a stoic character MAINLY by their lack of emotion. A deep sadness and mystery of what they're feeling is the real pull of a stoic character. Yes they are cut-outs but to a far lesser degree than what you're implying. XD The BO are also the stereotypical bad guys. (Dark colors, fangs, evil glares, guns, mystery of the boss... yeah.) DC is just not your kind of show then, is it? XD lol I personally had fun debating (I like it to debate when it comes to anime, what? That's one of MY flaws. )with you but if this is how the debate ends so be it. :grin:

Yes, the not trusting people is the "That was silly, don't do that XD" flaw I was referring too. XD Her dark past does not count as a flaw- we all have things we regret doing and she was forced. And locking away emotions is what makes a stoic character- which is not really all that realistic. XD She was forced into doing what she did and did not do it of her own accord- which is what would make it a flaw. "It's always the quiet ones"- Slade from Teen Titans to Raven when she revealed her secret dark past. Raven was the stoic character. XD The fact that she had a dark past makes her even closer to what she is titled. Some characters are less cut-outs than others. If Ayumi was exactly what she was a "cut out" of then she would have an older brother whom she calls "Nee Nee" and she follows around all of the time, she would be easier to entertain and she would make sex jokes even though she doesn't mean to. XD Kazuha would live right next door to Heiji and have a special promise that they made in some special place. Genta... no. No. He's a cut-out character. He definitely is. XD Just a less common one. Mitsuhiko would wear glasses, be easily irritated, have his nose in a book way more often than he does, he would also be less than interested in girls. Heiji would constantly be challenging Shinichi to a deduction match and not work with him, he would also be guessing cup sizes and hitting on the ladies. LOL So not everybody is a picture perfect cut out. Haibara and Ran are probably the closest to cut-outs there are except for Shinichi and Sonoko. XD Funny how the minor characters are closer to being realistic than the main ones...

I'm sorry, I meant LACK of flaws. XD lol Haibara has flaws- but not the kind that make you go "Hey she's really realistic". They're more like "Okay... that was silly. Don't do that. XD" kinds of flaws. Ran yes, is more of a Mary-Sue character and I don't favor her very much at all. And as I've said before the stoic character and the over-exaggerated strength-wise girlfriend are both overused to the point where it shocks me they have much of a fan-base. XD That's one of the reasons why I don't like them with Shinichi. It just feels like the author is pushing them together even though they don't fit. ^^' Every relationship does have flaws- but when there are too many it just makes the relationship unrealistic and impossible. When you have a flaw or two with a couple that has a lot of positives on their side it makes the couple interesting! ^^

Bread. Fluffy or smooth?