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3 pointsHere is some cbox transcription for reference. Chek: Ugh, I really don't want to do anything more about the child issue until more clues appear, but it looks like I have to ask a question for the sake of completeness. What are the pronouns, speech types (feminine, masculine, ambiguously polite) being used? Subjectwise, Masumi directs a question towards the child at one point, and the child refers to itself a few times. Zenthisoror: She uses watashi, and she speaks in a very unchildlike, cool adult-like way, a bit like Haibara, but she's not as girly as Haibara. Chek: When Masumi asks the child about its opinion of Conan, did Masumi's question contain a gendered pronoun? Basically, I'm trying to get a sense of whether Gosho is blocking Masumi from addressing the child in a way that would reveal its gender. Since they are alone, I can assume that they are likely to be truthful to how they normally would address one another. User 4869: Haibara is girly? sorry off topic. Zenthisoror: In the Japanese, well, Haibara's pretty feminine. @Chek: Hmm, I think considering that Lady Oscar tells Sera to refer to her as a kind of 'little sister' she's probably a girl? Chek: @Zenthi, I'm concerned that the child is a reverse Sera, a feminine boy, who is using their ambiguous appearance to disguise from whoever. User 4869: a little related http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=11727&start=45#p791042 6 Nov 13, 08:50 Chek: But anyway, besides the question above about how Masumi addressed the child, a user at DCW asked about a -nasai (Black Demon corrected spelling) motherly ending. I can't elaborate on the context... Zenthisoror: @Chek: A reverse Sera would be interesting. To be fair his/ her speech pattern is more boyish than girlish. Oh, kotaenasai right? I wouldn't say that's motherly - it's a semi-formal order. Chek: Maybe that's it. Honestly I am more concerned with how Masumi addressing the child in her question about what the kid thinks of Conan. I want to know if Gosho is dodging gendered pronouns, implying a trap. Well, a male who uses watashi probably would be formal-ish if kiddo is a male and not a female. Zenthisoror: I guess because in Japanese you don't really need to use pronouns to speak and sticking them in just makes the speech kind of unnatural...let me have a look at what Sera says then... She talks to the kid like an equal? No noticeable sense of respect or hierarchy. This could simply be because of Sera's personality, but she seems familiar with the kid and the kid is familiar around Sera. Having said that, the kid comes across smarter and cooler than Sera and, of the two, more like the person pulling the strings. Black Demon: If Gosho is trying to hide her true gender then I doubt that we can find anything conclusive for now. Zenthisoror: Best bet at the moment, I'd say a shrunken woman familiar with Sera, so probably her mum. I am ecstatic. (sarcasm drips off me like a melting ice lolly) @Chek: No signs really. If anything, he's either leading us on to think she's a girl, emphasising she's a girl or seriously tricking his editor into thinking she's a girl.
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3 pointsThe rp characters from Walpurgisnacht~ (The current IRL Round.) Far left is Aster Lawrence (Usui-kun) then Sasaki Saki/Sakila (AnimeGirl4Eva) and Misaki Mimori (Misaki-chan.) Top right are Kavin Chills (Mohorovicic) and Rouge (Usui-kun.) Bottom right are Devin Song (Ren-kun) and Garnet Wisteria (Me xP) It's bad and I drew from profiles, but meh, it's something. xP I avoided drawing hands as well xD
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1 pointi love all the ones that are related to the plot like the BO episodes they are soo freaking intense!!!! when questions are answered more questions rise that what makes these episodes sooo interesting XD i also love any episode that shows the shinichi and ran development and my favs would have to be: Holmes Arc (616 - 621) and New York Arc (286 - 288) i love those two characters!!!! the detective boys have some nice episodes too
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1 pointThis is another point of interest. In her debut episode, Haibara says APTX makes you a 7 years old no matter your original age IIRC, so in the case this child took APTX, how come she looks older than Conan and Haibara? I think it’s said that Shin’ichi is the first the drug was tested on (not sure…), so it’s not like the child could’ve taken it years prior, and so aged a bit after becoming a child, right? Unless whoever made said statement (Gin?) is not aware of the drug being tested on humans before Shin’ichi, but it actually was.
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1 pointI’ve got something to say about this… When the child used the -nasai conjugation (typical mother behaviour), she was talking alone with Sera, so there would be no reason to “act” to hide something, right? If it turns out that was a red herring, it’d be pretty stupid in my opinion. So if the child is actually her brother, it may be possible that it’s a character trait for him to be using -nasai with his sister (although I’ve never seen that before), and on that note I’ve got a question: can somebody ask the translators if in their interactions so far, the brother has used -nasai conjugations before? Alternatively, if someone told me when their interactions happened, I could go check the raws myself. Tomorrow I might be able to discuss this with my Japanese teacher, she’s also following the manga.
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1 pointHere's another one: Hidemi with a custom Uzi . She also had a good trigger discipline.
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1 pointI'm not going to do much additional work on the child identity problem until some more clues come up. It's been analyzed to death by a bunch of people already. The main reason the mother theory is as popular as it is is because we only have one female Akai we haven't seen, the child looks like a girl, and is wearing girls clothes. (And maybe talks femininely, but I haven't seen the raw text.) Normally that would be pretty indicative of gender, but we already have had one Akai family trap already who thinks it is acceptable to pretend to be male when it is convenient. (See bathroom use in Blush Mermaid.) Regarding the mother theory in general, if I assume that the child is the mother shrunken, then it really bothers me that the clues presented so far only consist of appearance (big boobs, looks like Shuuichi and Masumi), location (America, which would be a lie in this context), and possible history (maybe met Ran in the past). Usually mystery people whose identities we don't know yet are doing things rather than just existing in the story. Bourbon was activated and put on a mission about Sherry, Vermouth has something she wants to look into in Japan so she isn't going back to America, the boss is contacting his subordinates and ordering them about. Doing things is usually what differentiates suspects from clues that are people (in this case the mom would be a hint about what to expect the middle brother to be like). If I had to pick an APTXed Akai family member theory (instead of another non-shrinking theory), I'd choose the brother over the mother despite the girl look. The brother is doing things in Japan (contacting Masumi). It continues the trend of misleading-looking Akais. The cough bothers me for the same reason. Why have the child be sick at all? In Detective Conan, coughing like that typically implies a rough voice, so it will sound gender ambiguous when the anime rolls around, or to anyone listening in on bugs. When flipping back to the Makoto case when Sera texts her brother, I noticed again that the hand on the phone looks like the style Gosho uses to draw young people vs older males like Okiya and Amuro. That's merely my impression rather than an objective observation; I didn't bring it up back then because Gosho's not perfectly consistent with hand styles and there was no reason to suspect the brother could be a child at that point. Re MeitanteiSonoko's theory about the Silver Bullet and a Miyano connection, there is no evidence. We haven't heard about anyone other that Elena and Atsushi working on Silver Bullet, nor anything about Silver Bullet being used on someone (excluding APTX 4869 here). That doesn't mean it didn't happen, but without evidence, one story is as good as any other. James Black has a good alibi against being the boss. In Kir's introduction case, when Gin asked the boss by phone for permission to kill Kogoro, James was driving the car with Jodie and Conan in it. He couldn't text Gin back without Jodie and Conan noticing.
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1 point[Everything from my original post got deleted because of my own stupidity so have a rushed, unevenly written one in its stead.] Devin let the scathing retort Misaki flung at him slide. Sure, he thought she had an absurd lack of originality but they were about to enter Kavin Chills's chambers. Their little 'discussion' could wait for later. Devin bowed and greeted the professor in such an uncharacteristically polite manner, he was almost a hundred percent certain Garnet was rolling her eyes out of their sockets as he did so. The boy took note of the sparsely decorated office. It didn't look lacking, it just gave off the vibe that the intention behind it was to urge the saying, 'what you see is what you get'. It's as sheer as ice. Fitting. The first comment made by Kavin was taken in by Devin as somewhat distorted. The 'crazed' girl was dead? How was that possible? She was very much alive when he left, and with a bit too much energy to spare too. It was a tough pill to swallow for Devin. He had read about death a lot in the past but he never experienced it to this degree. Now he understood why Misaki was riddled with pain in her face. He thought of apologizing, but that's the one thing he would never do. I'm supposed to comfort her, right? He pondered over and over, missing most of what Chills was announcing to them. He did catch one thing though and he was gonna say something about it. He had to differentiate himself from the simple-minded buffoons. As per a show of self-justification, Devin started to talk about how he was just unwillingly thrown into the mix and how he didn't want to have anything to do with any one of them in the first place. His insensitive ramble was cut short however, by the nearly intolerable pain that was shooting up from his hands. His nerves, which were already frayed enough by the news of Saki's death, were barely managing to hold off the pain and send signals to his brain accordingly. Strangely enough, he did feel a surge of pride. He was getting a legit punishment from someone respectable after all. There's gotta be something positive he could take away from that. Eliciting the most high-pitched scream ever aside, he bowed respectfully and gingerly as they exited out the office. His mind was still wandering when he overheard Misaki's wiles about the frostbite. Fishing out the burn cream garnet gave him out of his coat jacket, he tried to offer it to the girl. Apparently he viewed the cream as a magical cure for everything external. He didn't get the chance to as he was overtaken by garnet and her bandages and being interrupted by Rogue and his peppiness about seeing Ms. Seeker. Devin, while he tried to appear nonchalant as usual, was listening intently to the exchanges between the people around him. He attempted to be sympathetic with the other students worries but he was more curious than anything else. His natural aptitude for unlocking mysteries was starting to be revived, as if dust was blowing itself away from the unused 'engine'. He found himself leaning forward more and more as the conversation ensued, only stopping when he saw Rouge handing a restricted book to Misaki. For someone who's supposed to enforce strict adherence to rules and regulations, the redhead was operating on questionable behavior. Devin snatched the book from the girl's hands and returned it to its former place in the shelf, avoiding eye contact with Misaki. Another girl was present, seemingly offering tea to anyone who'd give her the time of the day. She was acting bizarre, well as far as the word bizarre could go regarding the description of someone in a magic school. Devin waved her away when she approached him for the tea. "Unless that's Earl Gray with a single sprig of cinnamon and authentic oil of bergamot, then I'm not touching it. Not that I'd trust you with making my drink even if it was." He mused, his eyes still trained on Ms. Seeker. "It would make perfect sense if the said Walpurgis Night would originate here. The entire school is abound with magic and mana. Spirits would be naturally drawn to here... that is if it's really spirits that are the real culprits. This might be too far-fetched but we can't discount the fact that it might be an inside job." Devin said, offering his contribution. "Now let's brief you on what you're going to do as Ms. Seeker's assistants!" Just great. Putting you down as 'Crazed 2.0'
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1 pointTry not to think too hard about it. Eventually, the Boss will be revealed and we'll all laugh at our ridiculous deductions. And the person who turns out to be correct gets bragging rights.
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1 pointNot the Boss list Part 2: Reasons why specific characters may not be the boss People Gosho has said are not the the boss in interviews: Agasa, Kudo Yuusaku, Conan, Ran, Vermouth, Shiratori, Fusae Kinoshita Campbell, James Black, Sonoko, Ayumi, Genta, Mitsuhiko, Samizu Kichiemon, Gin, Kuroba Toichi Eri is "not involved with the BO" This list details evidence and logic about why certain characters would not be the boss of the Black Organization (ano kata) along with the summaries about how good that evidence is. Strong (Very exculpatory) <---> Weak (not very exculpatory) Generally, the boss should not be anyone who has had more than passing contact with Haibara. The boss would recognize her and take action to silence her and those around her because, according to Haibara, the Organization's priorities are to keep secret first then do research. (Manga Volume 18, File 9, pg 7: "The girl made of lies" - "If I reported your condition to the Organization, it's very likely you would have been terminated before I could do something useful.") Pisco, Vermouth, and Akai all identified Haibara as Shiho very quickly. The boss should be able to do so as well if he is familiar with her appearance. James Black - Word of Gosho says NO, formerly Strong - Alibi, failure to act on critical intelligence, contradictory behavior (Jodie Starling's arguments are close to identical) Agasa Hiroshi - Word of Gosho says NO, formerly Medium Strong - Failure to act on critical intelligence, contradictory behavior, endangers self. Gin - Word of Gosho says NO, formerly Medium - Contradictory behavior. Elena Miyano - Medium Weak - Backstory would exclude if true, contradictory behavior. Miyano Atsushi - Weak - Backstory would exclude if true, contradictory behavior. Kisaki Eri - Medium Strong - Gosho interview saying not involved with the BO, Contradictory behavior. Mouri Kogoro - Medium Strong - Failure to act on critical intelligence, contradictory behavior. Kudo Yuusaku - Word of Gosho says NO, formerly Medium Strong - Failure to act on critical intelligence, contradictory behavior. Okino Yoko - Medium Weak - Contradictory behavior. Miyano Akemi - Strong - Requires implausible situation, failure to act on critical intelligence, contradictory behavior. Inspector Momose and Inspector Yuminaga - Medium Weak - Failure to act on critical intelligence (Haibara) Yokomizo Sango and Juugo, and Yamamura Misao - Medium Weak - Failure to act on critical intelligence (Haibara) Karasuwa/Karasuma Renya (the dead crow guy from the gathered detectives vs. Kid case) - Weak - Backstory would exclude if true, contradictory behavior Suzuki Jirokichi - Medium Strong - Contradictory behavior (endangers self) Kaneshiro Genichirou (old man from Night Baron contest) - Weak - Minor contradictory behavior. Fusae out according to this blog: http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/forum/topic/1555-translating-interviews/page-8#entry326186 To be added: Any one else suggested in comments