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2 pointsOkiya mentioned he has a promise with a woman in the Froth, Steam, and Smoke case and it relates to why he refused to force Haibara to go with him. Since we know Okiya is Akai, and that promise isn't with Vermouth because Okiya isn't Bourbon, it most likely relates to Akemi and the PS because that is what fits. Given the context, Akemi probably asked Shuuichi if he would promise to watch over Shiho after she was dead. I think Akemi knew her death was coming and the offer from the Black Organization to let the sisters leave was a trap which is why Akemi decided to double cross them at the end anyway. She messaged Shuuichi to express her true feelings because she would have no other time to do so, and because Shiho has no other family - no one else who could pull her out of the black hell. Shuuichi has been trying to keep Akemi's promise since confirming Haibara and Shiho are the same person. Unfortunately, Akai has a weird socially awkward personality which means he tends to go very overboard on missions (e.g dumping Jodie partially because dating Akemi for real would be more realistic), so in trying to keep Haibara safe as Okiya he instead scares her because he feels more like a stalker than a protector at times.
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1 pointSecond part of post. Evidence please. I don't buy that. The Women show NO emotion. Not even a HINT. Im pretty sure women in Japan are not THAT polite. And the men surrounding the women (And other women) tend not to think anything about it either. Like even friends or close family. They don't even flinch. Does Kogoro just create an "Anti-Sexual harassment law" bubble around him? I mean they "comically" hit perverts or whatever, but when they grow older they suddenly loose that ability? I call bullcrap. Check point number 2 Check the section where is talks about Asia. It mentions more about Hong Kong, but the situation is pretty similar in Japan. Japanese citizens are often selfconscious of how their actions will affect those around them. With this group mentality in place, litigation, as an attempt to right individual wrongs, is a very unattractive option for most Japanese women. - Context is litigation, but this is the type of attitude I am talking about. http://books.google.com/books?id=0_sMPTZevVsC&pg=PA205&lpg=PA205&dq=Japanese+culture+sexual+harassment+culture&source=bl&ots=W3KWXNF_BY&sig=tlXcq6tfqCs84gRU-aTi1AejdLA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2jfbUvnSE_SvsQTb2oCYDw&ved=0CEYQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Japanese%20culture%20sexual%20harassment%20culture&f=false There is a Japanese term for a virtue I am forgetting the name of, but it equates in English to enduring difficult situations quietly. In comparison to westerners, the average Japanese person is more likely to choose to quietly endure a problem than make a fuss. This isn't to say all Japanese are like this, and everyone has a breaking point, but having met many japanese in my working life, I find that they are more likely to avoid arguments or open conflict than westerners are - on average. Oh sure they are. I'm not meaning it in that way. Im just saying that he remains faithful to his wife and does at least seem to make steps to rekindle the relationship. Eri doesn't seem to do so. Relationships are something you work at. Its something that you nurture from both sides. "He has too get it on his own and I will take no steps forward on my own teehee *Bat eyelashes*" isn't really fair. Also I found it immensely vapid that Eri agreed too go too the hotel with Kogoro only after the reveal of the expensive jewelry. That was immensly vapid. Give Eri credit for being a little subtle. She usually knows perfectly well when Ran is planning one of her get Mom back with Dad ideas and goes along with it anyway. If she expected Kogoro to be the one to do the work, she wouldn't bother to participate. Eri keeps giving him chances and goes along with his ploys - even the really stupid ones like pretending to forget about her birthday to lower her expectations first, despite all the immature sniping about him she does at his expense. You have to remember in Eri's mind (and Kogoro's for that matter), that Eri left and it is Kogoro who needs to shape up if he wants her back. And to be fair, while Eri does contribute problems to the marriage with her sarcasm and queenly attitude, Kogoro adds a lot more problems than she does with general irresponsible and immature behavior and sarcasm back. Both of them are immature, but the one who needs to change the most here to get it to work is Kogoro. Why? Im not seeing anything that risqe. It will pass away on its own if you don't make a bigger deal out of it.When discussing Eri, there are are a lot of outdated attitudes about women being the main source of various problems in this thread. I pointed out the prize example above as the most obvious. Usually the Detective Conan fandom attracts a higher proportion of mature people, so reading a thread like this is a bit of an unwelcome surprise. Edit: another example is the attitude that Eri owes Kogoro sex for him saving her life. Demanding sex in exchange for any action is disgusting no matter who is doing the demanding, and so is the attitude that believes it is acceptable to do so. Should Ran spread her legs for Shinichi because he saved her life? No, if she and Shinichi get that far it will because she wants to be intimate with him, not because she owes him anything. That dynamic doesn't change in marriage; marriage isn't and was never a ticket to get sex whenever you want it. (Spousal rape is a real thing.)
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1 pointThey have been essentially divorced for 10 years. I don't think we see any evidence of him ever doing so when they were living together. She tends to belittle him and insult him pretty much nonstop. Why shouldn't he flirt?Kogoro can flirt all he wants if he doesn't have any intention of getting back with Eri. If he does want to continue their marriage, he shouldn't out of respect to her (and she shouldn't flirt either, but that's not usually a problem because Eri is straighter-laced). Also I'm pretty sure he used to flirt in the past even when he was married. I can go on a source hunt later when I have more time. Why? I mean is he just inconsistent? Like "Im totaly in love with you enough too save your life on multiple occasions and really care about proving your innocence but changing my habits? NO". Thats just lazy writing. Maybe I am looking too deeply into this and Kogoro is just a lazily written character.Kogoro isn't lazily written. Honestly I think, at the beginning of DC, he is depressed and lost confidence in himself. Kogoro was kind of a lousy cop, had gone through a very rough patch in his marriage, and done terribly as a private detective. He started drinking a lot more to the point where Ran was the parent. To me, that looks like depression. People with depression have a hard time fixing the things they need to change most in order to pull themselves out of it because they have no confidence that it will change anything in the long run; they feel like a failure all the time. That's why we are seeing major changes now in Kogoro's bad habits as he has gained a reputation. He is getting his confidence back and pulling himself out of it. Looking at the divorce rates (And the initiators of divorce) and the reasons stated for divorce this is pretty accurate. Call it sexism, but until I see evidence otherwise I see that as pretty accurate.Saying that it is typical of women see themselves as a prize that is a great privilege to have is pretty sexist. Sure there are some shallow women who act like that, but there are also shallow men who think women are like trophies. If you think that most divorces are really over reasons like this, you're pretty out of touch. Post is in two parts because there is a limit on quoting per post...
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1 pointNo, Kogoro has kept his fidelity to Eri. How is Eri a tease? He flirts and gets touchy with other women in front of her. That's a pretty horrible personality trait for a husband. Lately it's been more bad luck for Kogoro then bad choices. He tries to do something romantic to show he really is serious then something turns out badly to give Eri a bad impression of him (exhibit 1: gets Eri a necklace, but packages are switched and he gives her a Buddhist bracelet sometimes associated with death.) Kogoro knows he shouldn't do these things. He's not stupid. I'm pretty sure he knows that's the reason why Eri isn't coming back. Hello sexism. No they are annoyed. Remember this is Japanese society, and it is considered improper to embarrass someone in polite company by telling them to get the hell away from me. Kogoro is being extremely rude by taking advantage of this to bother women, because they can't really do anything without shaming him or themselves. "Proper behavior" would be tough it out and try not to let happen again. I think men are a little stronger in self control than you give them credit for. Both Eri and Kogoro are immature in their own ways, but they are probably the most realistic marriage in this whole series. Marrying your childhood sweetheart (chances are they didn't seriously date anybody else!) and having your first kid at about age 20(!!!) is extremely fast. That kind of marriage usually has problems because people are still growing up in many regards at those ages. Over the course of the series Kogoro has matured more and more, and his attempts to convince Eri to come back are getting closer to the mark. Eri too is getting closer to Kogoro as well and realizing his heart is in the right place despite what he does while drunk. It's a matter of time and luck before a plan succeeds (at the end of the series no doubt.) Also this thread is a sexism landmine.
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1 pointDear Anons, Light's death was the saddest. Imagine almost making it, then being stopped by people who want to protect the very people who pose a threat to innocent people in the world just cos their families are safe from those dangerous ones. |AL
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1 pointI swear it looked better on paper >__> note to self, new phone must have better camera.
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