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  1. Discuss unresolved parts of past and current plots here, although please consider typing in-depth discussion in the relevant topical thread if possible, or creating a separate thread if necessary. For your convenience here is a list of many of the unresolved plots. Please suggest any additions or links to threads where a plot is being discussed.(I did not come up with all of these. Please see original post here.) Items and things • What is in the P.S. of Akemi's last text message to Akai? • What (besides drug data) is on the bloody disk that Haibara lied about losing at the Haido City Hotel? • What was the program about that Itakura couldn't complete for the sake of humanity? • What is the goal of the APTX 4869 project? • What kind of drug is Silver Bullet? Is Silver Bullet a different/early name for the project called APTX 4869? • What kind of drug did the Black Organization really want Shiho to make and how is it different than what she and her parents' actually made? • Night Baron Virus - the Org used it once and it was in another case. What does it signify and is their more plot relevance to it? • What happened to the handkerchief that Vermouth as Sharon gave Ran in the New York case? • What else is on the four tapes left for Haibara by her parents? Why were certain portions blank? • Why were the BO at the mermaid island and are any of the names in the guestbook besides Sherry's, Gin's alias, and Vodka's alias important? (Some discussion is in the main boss thread) Plot people • Vermouth's aging issue, her connection to the Miyanos, and APTX4869 • What is the reason for the antipathy between Sherry and Vermouth? Why does Vermouth hate the Miyanos? • Why is Vermouth the boss's favorite when she is somewhat treacherous? • What secret does Amuro know about the boss and Vermouth's relationship that he is using to blackmail her? (File 898) • "Silver bullets": What is Vermouth plotting by collecting people with the capability to destroy the Organization? • What is Vermouth's precise reason for hiding Shinichi and Shiho's deaging from the rest of the Organization? Is it something more than Shinichi is one of Vermouth's two angels, along with Ran? • Where was Vermouth telephoning Itakura from that had a cat or something that sounds like one? • Why did Vermouth as Sharon and Itakura have a bad relationship? (Volume 78.) • Jodie’s father - how did he find out about Vermouth and what did he find that forced Vermouth to take direct action, kill him, and burn his house down with all the evidence inside? • The husband of Vermouth as Sharon Vineyard - who is he? • Elena and Atsushi Miyano: their lives, their supposed death by accident that they seemed to know about in advance, their connection with Agasa • What secret thing did Miyano Atsushi want to tell Dejima Souhei, but was unable to, when he came to visit with his wife and Akemi 20 years ago? • Shiho and Akemi: why their different fates within the org? One became a high ranked member, the other lived a more normal life. • Why does the boss fear Akai is a silver bullet? • Gin and Akai: how did the personal rivalry start when they probably hadn't met each other much if at all before Akai was ejected from the Org? • If Jodie Starling went into the witness protection program, does that mean Jodie Starling is not her real name? If so what is it? • Amuro's past with Date • Amuro's past in the Organization and childhood connection to Elena Miyano • Who was the mysterious man who staked out Akai's meeting with Gin that Camel ruined? • What is the connection between Gin and Sherry? • What was Conan going to ask Ai after the showdown with Gin? "Hey… Could it be that when you were in the BO…". (Volume 24, File 242) • Shiho's foreshadowed meeting with Akai • Okiya's/Akai's promise with a certain woman. (Probably Akemi) People • Agasa's mysterious friends/connections - to the Miyanos and to unknown parties. • Magic Kaito's Organization related to the Black Organization? How much of Magic Kaito's Pandora story will carry over to DC? • Toichi, Vermouth, and Yukiko - how did that master-apprenticeship start? • Kogoro's absent past and relatives. What was he doing (besides romancing Eri), why did he decide to join the police in the first place when he seemed like a delinquent at school, why did he leave the force, who and where are Kogoro's family, and why do they never appear? • Calvados: was he important for anything other than making Chianti and Korn angry at Vermouth? • James Black: Does he have more relevance or a past? • Shizuka and Heizo Hattori: what are they doing, how are they connected to the story and why don't they come back? • What is the relationship to the plot, if any, of minor recurring characters such as Okino Yoko, Sanada Kazumi, Azusa Enemoto, Akagi Hide, Osamu Kenzaki, etc...? • How did Akai Shuuichi's father die? General issues (please see relevant threads) • Boss's identity • Purpose of the Org and their research: Biochem, computer agenda? • What's the Org's connection with America? Why did the FBI and CIA get involved in the first place? • List of plot points about the Black Organization Specific "current" issues • Ran wondering about when Shinichi touched and got fingerprints on Heiji's omamori and the effect on the plot. (Volume 66: Files 8-10 (693-695)) • Sera Masumi's identity and reason for coming to Japan (Partially resolved Masumi is Akai's sister) • Sera's past connection to Shinichi. (general thread) • Why does Sera think she is a bad kid while watching Ran treat Conan's injury? • What is the incident involving waves that Ran remembers Sera from? • The identity of Masumi's "Wizard" (general thread) • The identity of the Akai family middle brother • Why is Mary, Masumi and Shuuichi's mother, a child and how did that circumstance come about? Why is she in Japan now? • Who is Rum? • Why did Kir send a message about Rum only now? • What is Rum's current goal? • Why are there many conflicting accounts about Rum's appearance, but everyone agrees about the fake eye? • Who the 2 mothers that Aoyama has said are sisters in an interview? • Who keeps reposting the information about Haneda Kohji's death? • How did Haneda Kohji find out information about Rum, and what were the circumstances that led up to his death? • What is the drug that Ai said the BO wanted her to make that wasn't her parents' APTX 4869 project? • Who is Wakasa Rumi and what are her motives? • What is Hyoue Kuroda's past with the Japanese police and injury, and from whom did he learn that Conan is the brains behind Sleeping Kogoro? • Who is Momiji Ooka and why does she think Heiji is her future husband? Resolved • What was Elena about to say on the tape intended to be heard on Shiho's 18th Birthday? (Resolved 821 see wiki for APTX or Elena Miyano) • Yukiko and Yusaku Kudo: what are they doing, how are they connected to the story and why don't they come back? (somewhat resolved with London arc and more resolved for Yukiko in the Bell tree express arc) • Okiya's identity (Resolved as Akai Shuuichi) • Scar Akai's identity (resolved in 822 as Vermouth (train) and Bourbon (Teito bank, Beika dept store, Mouri Detective agency) • Will Kaitou Kid ever get involved in the plot? (Yes, in the train case although he doesn't know about the BO apparently. According to a postcard, Kaitou Kid won;t be involved in the final showdown.) • Is the violent robbery syndicate whose headquarters and warehouse are in Tottori related to the Black Organization? (Volume 44: Files 4-6 (450-452)) (sort of resolved because an interview with Gosho indicated that the BO and Tottori don't have a connection) • Haibara's strange reaction to Kurayoshi city (倉吉市), Tottori or perhaps Tottori in general (sort of resolved because an interview with Gosho indicated that the BO and Tottori don't have a connection) • Who were the shadow people who Akai asked to follow Yukiko and the Detective boys? (Gosho said in an interview we can ignore them) • Why does Bourbon hate Akai? (Akai was related to secret police agent Scotch's death) • Bourbon's promise with Vermouth (File 800 or so) - to not touch Ran or Conan no matter what happens. • How or why did the Secret Police agent known as Scotch die, and how was Akai Shuuichi related to his death? - Suicide, which Bourbon thought was murder. • The identity of the small child from the hotel - Mary is Masumi and Shuuichi's mother
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  2. OK this one is understandable!!! No need explanation... Requirements for joining the Competition: -Has a profile pic -An Active Member Anyway, Heres the rules: -You cant change your profile pic once you joined the Competition -Once you've won, You can change your member title to the DCW's Best Profile Pic of the month or change your profile pic The winner will take +1 rep Competitors(Registration starts on July 10 until July 25) Winners: Notes: -Competitors cant vote for themselves -Voting starts on August 1 2011 or when declared by Balthz or MK with no specific end -Registration starts on July 10 until 25 -The last month's winner cant join to the next competition
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  3. 565 The Eyewitness Who Did Not See "Haricut" is the keyword that help me found this.
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  4. in the end CONAN SAID THAT HE WAS KID
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  5. You have this wrong. The manga is overtly pushing Okiya to be the most suspicious one. If you check the manga sidebars, the manga is busy assuming that Scar Akai is the real Akai and that Okiya wants to do something bad to him. I quote:700b: “The bomb case begins and Akai and Subaru are also involved! The tension rises in the next issue.” 701b: “Gin has started to work it out!! Will the assassin's bullet reach Akai again...!?” 702b: “Subaru has discovered Akai and wears an unbecoming smile. Could this situation get anymore dangerous?” 703a: “Gin and company are planning to ambush Akai in front of the department store...” 704b: “Is Okiya Subaru also searching for Akai!?” As for Gin's quote, the alternate (and I believe incorrect) interpretation is that he is referring to Subaru and he let "Akai" go because he's Subaru's target, and because "Akai" caught on that Chianti was there, and bystanders were beginning to notice. If you think about it a little and ignore all the smirking, dark expressions, and stuff that are designed to trick you on an emotional level, you can see the logic doesn't make sense, but you have to remember the existence of that layer of misleading stuff. …because he is Bourbon and because he is appearing in front of the FBI in disguise as Akai to gauge their reactions to him. This explains all his actions so far, everything from why he targets one FBI member at a time to why he appears in crowded places. I know I already explained this once before, but I'll elaborate even further this time. Gin and Vodka told us that Bourbon doesn't believe Akai is dead and also believes he is the only person who can kill Akai. We don't know why Bourbon thinks this way and whether his beliefs have any rationality behind them vs. just pure obsessive hatred, but that's the info we have been given and there isn't a good reason for Vodka or Gin to lie about it. If they thought Kir might pass info on that Bourbon might be hunting for Akai, they wouldn't have mentioned it at all. So now Akai seems to be dead, but Bourbon, given his personal beliefs, thinks Gin was duped which naturally means Kir was involved. The problem is finding Akai now because Bourbon wants to kill him properly. Unfortunately, Akai could be anywhere. More unfortunately, Kir isn't spilling and Gin thinks she did her job properly, and thus she is loyal so excessive interrogation is out of the question until he can come up with reasonable doubts the others will buy off on. He investigates Kir as best he can without upstarting the chain of command and gets ahold of her cellphone which was left in Gin’s car when Kir changed her clothes just before phase 2 of the Domon assassination. He looks at it, but doesn’t find anything especially interesting other than a text message from one Mouri Kogoro with his routing number. Bourbon notes the number anyway in case it has anything to do with finding Akai. So anyway, Bourbon has to find Akai. The problem is Akai is a smart b*****d and could be anywhere. And worse, Akai isn't going to just slink off and do nothing while pretending to be dead because that isn't Akai's character. No, Akai is going to be plotting or something. So how can Bourbon find Akai short of knocking on every door in Japan? The best chance of success is to probe his close friends of course. These friends may have helped him with his faking death. Vermouth may have told Bourbon that they seemed to have genuine mournful reactions, but maybe Akai dropped by later to clear things up with them and arrange for disguises, papers, or something while he stays in hiding. Another problem Bourbon faces is that Gin and Co. really believe Akai is dead, so they aren’t going to help with the plan. Vermouth is sympathetic because only she knows Conan is buddies with the FBI and may have manipulated affairs. (The reason why I am saying Vermouth is involved with Bourbon’s plan is because of the conversation with Gin) So with only Vermouth’s help, how is Bourbon going to figure out where Akai is? The best way to hunt Akai down is to find his contacts. From his contacts, Bourbon could try to get some evidence showing reasonable suspicion that Akai is alive, and then use it to convince the rest of the BO to investigate further and find Akai, or else he could try to find Akai himself via the contacts, by, say, threatening them and hoping Akai comes out of hiding to defend. Any contacts will know Akai is alive, versus everyone else who will think he’s dead. That’s when Bourbon gets a genius plan: disguise as Akai but with some obvious difference, like a big burn and fake amnesia, and show up suddenly in front of potential contacts. If they react like “WTF, you are alive!?” they are off the list. If they react with suspicion or aggression against Akai who suddenly has a large burn and fake amnesia, they are the targets. This disguise-as-Akai plan only requires one person, Bourbon himself, and Vermouth is willing to provide assistance to make a believable disguise. What exactly happens in order to get the boss’s approval is unclear. Maybe Bourbon complained to the boss directly and boss agreed just to get him off his back, or maybe Vermouth came forward with the proposal to placate Bourbon. It doesn’t matter. The boss agrees to tell everyone else the lie that Bourbon is looking for Sherry in case Kir gets wind of it and reports to the FBI. (This causes trouble later when Gin mistakes Bourbon for the real Akai and doesn’t know the real plan until Vermouth pulls up on her bike to tell him about it.) So naturally Bourbon goes to target the person closest to Akai first – Jodie Starling. Of course, this is a risky business. If Jodie is in contact with Akai, she might try to kill Bourbon or sic her friends on him. So Bourbon tails her and picks a location to appear that is both public and highly populated so Jodie can’t try to kill or capture him all of a sudden without getting noticed or stopped by random bystanders. He also times it so he appears when Jodie is separated from her friends. Jodie takes the bait and runs after him, but suddenly stops at an alley. Bourbon doesn’t quite know what to make of the reaction so he approaches her again in Teito bank to make sure that she is reacting like “WTF, you are alive!?” and thus is not Akai’s contact. Then a coincidental robbery happens and Bourbon gets trapped in the bank with Jodie. Bad luck, because Jodie’s reactions tell him that she definitely is not a contact of Akai’s. Worse luck is the robbers have people duct tape his eyes and face, which means his mask is going to get destroyed when the duct tape comes off. Bourbon therefore needs to book it out of the bank before Jodie finds out he isn’t the real Akai and can warn her friends, who may be Akai’s contacts without her knowing, that there is a fake Akai wandering around. Bourbon salvages the rotten situation as best as he is able to by firing a gun at Conan’s attacker and escaping. It provides a distraction where people will run around in confusion (think Conan’s plan at the dept store!) and then the police will come in while everyone is still duct-taped and Bourbon can remove/fix his disguise in the confusion and escape without Jodie finding out. The plan coincidentally also has the side benefit of tricking Jodie some more into thinking he is the real Akai. Bourbon aims for Camel next. Why Camel? Remember this guy? This guy administered Akai’s final loyalty test. While he could be just anyone, maybe he was Bourbon in disguise (got to admit the clothes look alike!) who hated Akai even back then and was hoping to catch Akai out at the very end. Anyway, Bourbon does the same thing he did to Jodie with Camel; he follows Camel to a public place with lots of people around generally, and catches Camel all by his lonesome in the bathroom. Camel has the “WTF, you are alive!?” reaction so Bourbon doesn’t bother with a repeat check. While making sure he loses Camel and any other FBI by wandering around, Bourbon heads to the sports floor and… gets caught up in another case where he can’t leave. Lucky him. Fortunately, this one doesn’t involve duct-tape. He doesn’t know that someone in the BO (out on a shopping lark?) saw him, informed Vodka/Gin, and so Gin and friends have set up assassins for Bourbon by mistake. I am going to ignore this for now because Bourbon doesn’t know about it. As the case draws on, people are using cellphones to take movies and stuff, at least one of which gets Bourbon on screen which he notices (you can see him looking back at the video taker). Bourbon really wants out of the dept store because the FBI might also see said footage if it gets broadcasted or posted online somewhere, then bring friends, and confront him. Adding to Bourbon’s woes is that Great Detective Mouri Kogoro is on the case!!!!!… and is failing miserably. Bourbon, who figured out the case as best as he could without an internet, decides to speed the case solving process along by pickpocketing someone’s phone so as not to compromise his own phone number, dredging up Kogoro’s cellphone number from when he stole it from Rena’s phone, and texting him the answer with the end-note to hurry it up already so we can leave! It works, and Bourbon heads for the front door. Whether he heard Jodie screaming from behind him or he just felt eyes on him, he looks up to see Chianti. He smirks at her because he is amused his disguise worked well enough to drag the other BO members out. He does take the opportunity to disappear because he doesn’t want to be shot. Meanwhile Vermouth comes up to talk to Gin and correct his misconceptions. Gin asks Vermouth if the boss agreed to this plan because he is pissed Bourbon has been jacking him around for the past few hours, then calls off the snipers and complains about Bourbon running around doing things on his own. Incidentally, Okiya stopping Jodie but merrily letting scar Akai go on his way resembles the practical philosophy about getting rid of bad guys that Sera showed when she tried to lure the hostage taker at the detective agency into police sniper sights. It runs in the family I guess. Conan just doesn't like dead people as the fox, elephant, and rat case revealed. Even if Conan strongly suspects Scar Akai might be Bourbon, there isn't any harm in screwing up the BO's plans anyway because Conan is an idealist who doesn't even want to see a bad person killed. There is additional benefit of covering one's bases on the offchance scar Akai is just some unfortunate lookalike citizen with a burn or the BO was targeting someone else at the department store. If Subaru did leave it, it could also be a matter of his investigation revealing (what did Okiya ask that lady anyway?) that someone was targeting them, and they shouldn't be out in public places like this because of what happened last time. Scar Akai could have left it as well. I'm still not sure.
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  6. Well, I kinda agree with Baltha there.. There is no law.. We just do what we want to do, then there's just others who doesn't agree.. I think.. I can't really explain... ¬.¬
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  7. ... :3 <-- This face, it's kinda funny.. Anyway.. Baltha, I agree with AD... It's wrong to kill even a murderer, when he gets the chance to become good again.. DX
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  8. Back to the main topic, Gin and Shiho's relationship has been mentioned in the official Conan Drill guidebook (Specifically it's the relationship diagram on page 239). I moved the arrow legend to the top to save space. Note it was written before the conclusion of the Vermouth arc before Gin had suspicions about Vermouth being up to no good and keeping dangerous secrets. In case the image goes down, the text of the image is in the spoiler Gin's connection with Sherry which has led to his obsession over hunting her down and her hatred and extreme fear of him probably goes back to a relationship they had before Shiho betrayed the Org. Gin clearly knows Shiho personality very well as he can anticipate her movements despite having rather different lines of work. Shiho hardly knew most of the other agents in non-science related positions. She hadn't met Pisco since she was a baby, she had only heard of Korn and Chianti, and hadn't heard of Kir. Bourbon is new and thus doesn't count. Conan never asked about Tequila. Vermouth likely had a connection with the parents because of her apparent aging weirdness despite not being in science. Gin is on the business/assassination side of things, so it is anomalous how well he seems to know her given how she doesn't know much about anyone else outside of the research branch. They clearly have a connection outside of their professions to account for knowing each other so well. They must have spent lots of time together if Gin can identify her from a single hair with conviction. There are various possibilities for relationships between Shiho and Gin, like childhood friends (age difference could be an issue), mutual relationship or one sided attraction or abuse (Age difference again is an issue and that Shiho was in America until recently), mentor-mentee, etc. There is a strong case to be made for a romantic mutual relationship or onesided attraction using a good retranslation of the first chapter of the Reunion with the Black Org (the Pisco case) (file 24-7 or 238, ep 176) where the translator pointed out the innuendo Gin was using. (The retranslation was by kentaru). The retranslated monologue of Gin's in the dream is as follows: The translator also had a notes page from which I will quote a relevant section: Now, add this information to Gin's description of their meeting as a "reunion", him thinking of her in the nude, and Haibara yelling "Don't touch me!" when Ayumi places her hand on Haibara's arm, snapping her out remembering her dream. Furthermore, when the two of them meet on the rooftop of the Hyde City Hotel, there are more suggestive exchanges. Gin purposefully chose not to do his job in the most efficient fashion- shooting Shiho in the chimney- but instead chose to make a special exception for her by waiting out for her on the snowy rooftop because killing her there would be, paraphrasing, more beautiful. She even gets into the act by thanking him, albeit sarcastically, for "waiting for her in the cold"; Shiho seems to purposefully be alluding to the stereotypic scenario of one lover waiting for another in poor climate. Gin also makes a comment about her disguise, the uniform and the glasses, being unsuitable for her, which carries an implication that he thinks there is some other outfit which would be more suitable. In conclusion, I think there is significant evidence that they had a romantic relationship going on between them because I don't think Gin would, even though part of it is a dream, phrase things like that for the heck of it. The rooftop exchange seems to corroborate with Gin's dream personality. Whatever kind of relationship they had obviously didn't work out, probably because of Gin's messed up personality. Based on the fact Gin is still obsessing, Shiho was probably the one to dump him.
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