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Ayuna Yume

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  1. On 9/6/2016 at 7:15 PM, AnimeOtakuDrew said:

     

    I was thinking some more about this and these two things kind of stuck with me. @Chekhov MacGuffin is absolutely right, the seasons and dates are all over the place, which makes @Heliotropic's statement accurate as well. Then another idea hit me. What if the series is out of order?! What if we grouped all of the winter episodes together, all of the spring episodes together, all of the summer episodes together, and all of the autumn episodes together? We then would arrange within each season according to any specifically mentioned dates and references to earlier events. In this way, the Shonen Tantei cases could fit into gaps where the series specifically states a period of time between cases at the Mouri Detective Agency. Another reason this could work is the number of episodes following the introduction of Haibara where she doesn't appear and isn't even mentioned. In fact, MUCH of the series as a whole seems random and largely disconnected, which would lend itself to rearranging the episodes into a more cohesive timeline. If someone can post or send me a list of episodes broken down by seasons, I will gladly take the time to go through and see if I can collate them into a new timeline and we can see if that supports the findings of myself and of @DCUniverseAficionado or points us to some other time frame for the series thus far.

    Wow, you guys sure are determined...This is a matter that has all dc enthusiasts confused on...I was surprised that someone shares the same theory, that dc is out of order, Have been thinking about it everytime a season was mentioned... And seriously, regarding gosho-sensei's statement,just how many valentines day and new year can happen in one year? It's totally illogical no matter what theory we make...I won't be so upset if this isn't story based but sadly it is, and every story needs an ending. While dc's an amazing one,just how long does gosho-sensei planning to drag this...


  2. On 5/17/2016 at 9:40 AM, Chekhov MacGuffin said:

    No one has bothered Conan for the soccer ball kicks to peoples' faces, breaking and entering, destruction of private and public property, underage drinking, impersonating police officers, tampering with evidence, tampering with the scene of the crime, administering drugs to civilians and police officers in the line of duty without consent, assisting foreign agents in an illegal investigation, assisting criminals, possession of forged documents, firing of handguns (illegal in Japan), reckless disregard of road rules, and contributing to the delinquency of minors.

     

    LOL, you're post really made me laugh! So many 'crimes' he has committed alright!

    On 5/20/2016 at 10:28 PM, Shinan-Kudogawa said:

    Yeah and would be imprisoned, nonetheless he would be punished less than an adult..

    I'd shoot anyone who tries to imprison Conan/Shinichi....with an imaginary gun, of course :)


  3. 10 hours ago, SamKel. said:

    Sorry if i sounded rude there i guess i was too intent in getting my point across. I guess the way each of us views the characters are different. I like to think about what may happen to these characters after the end if the show. I guess my imganation run too wild sometimes. 

     

    The thing is, despite knowing each other for 10 years Ran and Shinichi haven't really had any hardships in their lives. And i understand your view on sarcasm and how ut would affect a relationship. Usually i would agree with you but i dont see it affecting Shnichi and Haibara who to be honest don't seem to mind that, keep in mind that should their relationship progress their interactions would change slightly. Sure Haibara is there and he is being reckless but she can't really do anything when he is hiding everything from her. I think it is a mistake they are both making by keeping secrets about the org from one another, but it could pay off in the end. I just don't see Ran as a character go against him. In terms o being able to humble him i don't know how to explain that to honestly, i just feel like if given the chance, Conan and Haibara can get to know each other better than Ran and Shinichi, and that would result in them knowing how to handle each other better. 

     

    As you said the ending is in the writer's hand, and i know that ConxAi is never going to happen but as a fan of storyteeling, i just feel like it is an unfortunate waste of a potentially great storyline. 

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    Oh,no...I guess I was a bit emotional yesterday....my fault...

    Regarding your last paragraph, that ConAi is a potentially great storyline. True, I agree with you, but if that's the case, if Gosho-sensei really did something like that, Conan and Ai being a couple, that would change the storyline completely...And Ran won't have any role at all...Let's say, she did appear in the story as a supporting character, as Shinichi's most trusted childhood friend and with whom Conan stay with, the outcome will still be the same...Some fans might get bored with ConAi and start to ship ShinRan instead, even though it's not canon...It's natural to have any disagreements with the story since not everyone has the same way of thinking, I know this have nothing to do with our topic, who's better off with Shinichi...but again everything is writer's choice, I agree ConAI will be an interesting couple, but I still root for ShinRan because I just prefer loyalty and true love than how interesting and better a couple can be...don't get me wrong....I still think ShinRan would be a better couple, but you and other ConAi fans don't, and it's not your fault at all...

    And yeah, I agree with Antiyonder, Ran should be given an opportunity to show her ability and trustworthiness more... 

    9 hours ago, Antiyonder said:

    At the very least though, we should be able to agree that he's not worthy of either until he can be more honest and less egotistical:-).  Right?

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    Hm...in that case, I'm still single, Kudou Shinichi! LOL ;) 


  4. 1 hour ago, SamKel. said:

    The reason i mentioned Kazuha is because the fact that when you have a relationship that has been building up for 20 years and of the teo people invilved can be subtituted by someone else is huge red flag. Kazuha and Ran are the same, so would it work if Shinichi started loving Kazuha? This is a mistake in Ran's character, she is the second main character and has nothing unique to add to the story. 

     

    The reason He is better off with Haibara than Ran is because like you said she is the better partner. You mentioned that its cute how Shinichi and Ran made up over a song. Which is true, but you have to consider the life he is leading. The way he lives is dangerous, things are rarely ever cute. Besides, when looking at the problems he is facing now and the problems he may face in the future, it's wrong to assume how Shinichi and Ran will handle it by looking at how they got over an argument that was resilved by a song. What happens when there is another case where he has to leave? What if he starts working with the FBI? She can't be his partner, and she can't help him so is she supposed to just wait? And more importantly, the fact that Shinichi didn't realize they were in an argument is proof that it wouldn't work. How could you not notice that someone you love is mad at you for a week? 

     

    I would have to disagree that tolerance is the key to long term relationships. Tolerance by definition is suppressing the urge to do or say what you want. It's not healthy to just accept what the other has and move on. That way bo one is going to move forward. You also said love is about accepting each other's flaws. That is true to an extent, acceptance is just the first stage, which is where Shinichi and Ran are. But wouldnt be more worthwhile to find someone that compliments your flaws? Is it not better to to settle with someone who makes you a better person instead of just accepting everything you have flaws and all? Shinichi is flawed, Haibara is flawed, but together they have a chance of being complete. You said if you love someone you have to accept them all bot just the perfect side, but you see for Ran and Shinichi all they know is the perfect side of each other. What happens if Shinichi loses someone and becomes angry and reckless, is she going to be able to accept him then? What if he kills someone for justice, how is that going to play out between them? They do not know the dark sides of each other. Meanwhile Haibara and Conan know the dark sides if each other more than the good. Their relationship is built on hate and blame. The fact that they are have become close shows that tey fully accepted the dark sides if each other. So if he loses someone or gets too reckless she can control him and tame him, because just because he loves Ran means she can tame him. What if he needs to hear something he doesnt want to hear? What if the only way to save him is hurt him? What if the only way to stop him from getting reckless and getting himself killed, is to shoot him? Would Ran be able to do all that? These are all crazy scenarios i know but they are highly plausibable in his life. 

     

    Opposites attract is all i can really say. I can go on forever about how they would make a better couple. And authors are not perfect. J.K Rowling herself admitted that she had made a number if plot mistakes in the Harry Potter series. Gosho gave an amazing series, but it is a fact that the romance in the series is really bland. Which would have been fine for a two, three season mystrey show. But for something that has been building for 20 years, its deeply flawed. The way he lives his life, and the dangers he encounters on a daily basis, i think its safe to assume that one day 'love' is just not going to be enough. 

     
     

    Woah,take it easy there,You sound a bit too emotional...relax,chill bro,this is just for fun...My apologies if my opinion annoys you....

    Firstly, I never said that writers are perfect, no one is, I just said that writers write what they think are right, for example, I write what I think is right, and so do you, we both give our opinions that we think we are right only to be proved wrong the next second...We,the readers,can grumble all we want but it's all in the writer's hand, that was my point,sorry if I didn't make myself clear...

    Next, about your opinion,it's not wrong,not at all...You have your own point of view,lovers should help each other overcome their flaws,it's a beautiful one but I, too have my OWN point of view, I would appreciate if you respect it. Yes, I do agree that they should help each other on that matter, but they should also consider other's feelings as well...Haibara is just too blunt and sarcastic.While being straightforward is nice and helpful, sarcastic is the opposite. It might hurt others... True, that lover should point out each other's flaws, at the same time, they should also give space for a change... Ran and Shinichi had known each other for 10 years, in dc's timeline, surely they have seen flaws in the other, don't you think? Do you think that the so-called 'dark side' can be kept for 10 years but not for a year or two? (the timeline is really confusing) But it's obvious that Ran knew him longer.... Anyway, all of us watched dc for 20 years,at least the episodes worth of 2 decades and we haven't really found his 'dark' side if you mean his recklessness,he has always been like that and survived without Haibara....I know that's the point you're trying to make, that he might not in the future, but what change will it make? Haibara's there, yet he still acted against her, still went into a showdown with BO, If Ran knew about this, she would, of course, try to stop him, given the danger, if he still stubborn,she would do the same like Haibara did in the Vermouth arc...I really can't see how she can 'humble' him any better than Ran...He's just that arrogant

    *ARGH! why is he so charming?faints, again* Ignore the line,really...

    P.s: I'm sorry if my reply is offending or emotional, but I'm cool(the line before this for example hihi) and it's just my style of debate...

     

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  5. On 9/11/2016 at 1:40 PM, SamKel. said:

    Here is why i think Ran saving Haibara is a mistake. I may be wrong but what i remember is that Ran was in Jodie's house and she saw Shinichi's picture in the bathroom. So she does the only logical thing there is to do, and jump into the trunk of ber car?? How does that make sense. There are literallly a hundred better ways to go from there. The scene also belittled Vermouth's evilness. She is portrayed as an evil sadistic woman right? So why wouldn't she just kill Ran and then Haibara. That scene for me did no one in the series any good. It proved the the problem i have with ShinRan. Because yea she may have saved Haibara, but how stupid of a decision was that? I think Gosho realized that his second main character had no role in the actual storyline and decided to just throw her in there. Thankfully we have never seen her get involved ever again. 

     

    You are right that she supports him on his work. Her sense of justice is strong, she's kind and at times very brave. But honestly the same can be said about Kazuha for example. Shinichi is a detective. A reckless, rash and naive detective. He keeps getting himself invilved with more and more dangerous people and he is not prepared for it. He is working with the FBI and CIA and the special police. His life is going to keep getting more dangerous. And if there is one thing we learnt about him, it's that cases will always come first. He is not in need of a lover, he needs a partner. Someone who knows how hard life can be because there eill come a time when his recklessness will get the better of him. That's when he needs a patner to help him through it. Usually for a couple to not be involved in each other's work is fine but not in this case. He needs a partner. An argument could be made that why not have both. But i personally feel like it would be unfair to Ran. They have a lot if similarities. They have been friends for ten years. But honestly we have seen no indication that they know each other truly. There similaroties are the foundation of their friendship but i dont think they would be enough for a relationship. After all, they don't cmoliment each other's flaws. She treats him as this perfect angel and he does the same. So what happens when things go wrong? They don't even see the flaws in each other. She can't humble him, she can't assist him in his work, and she doesn't seem to be ready for the life he is leading. 

     

    Honestly the story between Haibara and Conan writes itself. The foundations are there for the greates story that can be told. It is a shame that the character of Haibara with all her background is not being utilized more. The reaosns i gave above where from a fan's pov. But from a storytelling stand point, you can't make a childhood love story as slow paced and bland as it is and expect it to make sense after 20 years. Haibara and Conan have the dynamic and the chemistry. Which may not seem important to you, but for a viewer that is all that matters. 

    I don't know when Kazuha gets in the picture but yeah, she share the same personality with Ran...Is it related?Never mind,even though I know Haibara will be a great partner in his work, scientist and detective share the same principle after all, and everything you said, plus if we compare, Haibara will be a better partner for Shinichi because of her sharp intellect than Ran, I just can't see them as a couple. Both of them are egoist, and gosh, I can't imagine if they have a fight as couple...and how long it will last, Meanwhile, Ran & Shinichi's longest fight is a week,only a week and the whole week Shinichi doesn't even realize he's in a fight because he got hooked up with a case in an OVA,a case of Shinichi back in middle school, but as soon as he aware(sorry for my vocabulary) they immediately make up just because of a song,how cute that is...I know that OVAs aren't canon but I'm just giving an example so it doesn't really matter,if it is for you then you can simply toss it away hihi 

    And I have to disagree with you that they don't see each other's flaws,because they have made many comments on each other's flaws throughout the series,for example, Shinichi has commented on how Ran uses her karate to get whatever she wants,and Ran did it too many times I'm sure you have noticed, but they just accept it and even love it, that's what true relationship needs...Not hating every single flaws you have,tolerance is a key to a long-lasting relationship without a doubt...And if you love someone with all your heart,you have to accept them for who they are, not only just the perfect side..

    Lastly, I can't see the chemistry that you said in ConAi like I do in ShinRan, ConAi can be a great partner and all,but not as lovers,in my view that is...they differ too much while having many similarities,its just so damn weird for me...and I don't think that Shinichi will ever change his heart,ever...And you can't do anything about a writer's choice because we write what we think are right, yes we, because I'm a soon-to-be a novelist,a romance novelist,that's why this topic interest me so very much hihi And of course,same goes to the Vermouth arc.The way you say it made me think too, maybe Ran was stalking her and when she saw Conan as Ai entering her car,she got suspicious?Wait,another thing, Ran can't humble him?Okay, first of all, his arrogant personality and way-too-handsome-figure for a man, Ouch! ,is the thing that made ME fall for him hihi,ok let's get back to the topic, hm..I think if anyone can 'tame' him, it should be Ran, since she have his heart and while willing to do whatever he says, she still can make him surrender too, besides, I don't think he have to be any humble,that's his significant personality,
    *ARGH! freaking out! 'Fangirl'ing overload,faints* Ignore the last line...

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  6. On 4/26/2016 at 0:28 PM, SamKel. said:

    It has been well established that Ran doesn't have the mental or emotional capacity to fight the BO. She is scared of ghosts for god's sakes. Every act of bravery she's ever done was either because that is what Shinichi would do, or because it was the 'right thing to do' (saving Haibara from Vermouth, the most random and confusing scene of the series). Again all of this can be attributed to Gosho not developing her character well, say if in the fight against the BO she is faced with an ordeal that Shinichi can not help her with, she wouldn't know how to act, she is a normal teenager after all. You can see throughout the series the difference between Haibara and Ran when it comes to Shinichi's work. Haibara is always asking him questions providing clues hell she is always by his side whenever he is working and she can always keep up with him. Ran is always in the background with no real importance, and if she can not keep up with him intellectually on normal cases, how do you expect her to hold her own against the BO. And by the way the BO is a global mafia, and we are talking about a guy who happened to come across the car of a deadly assassin and decided to break in to track him. He does that because his sense of justice is just too strong. Picture this, months after the BO is been taken down, Shinichi runs into Jodie or Akai while they are on a case, would he help them? 

    Hm...Firstly,I'm gonna apologize if I said/typed something wrong, Please do fix any inconsistency I'm in a bad mood so sorry if I'm rude but seriously why is Ran saving Ai is confusing? And why on earth are you doubting about her sense of justice? She has way more sense of justice than Haibara, who seems to be so selfish,she only cares for the people she knows and love, while Ran would happily do that for anyone...protecting,I mean...Sorry I can't give any example here since I'm too tired to think right now...but I think that Vermouth is more than enough to prove her sense of justice...Just like Antiyonder have stated,with the list of eps and stuff...I tried my best to read all the posts but gosh, its like endless! Impossible to read everything in one day read the first 20+ and 3 recent pages,last I can remember is about unicorns and hair, whatever... And about the chemistry stuff, eveyone have their own opinion on the matter, and its unfair to say that one's opinion is better than the other,I mean logical ones...okay,I'm starting to write nonsense,sorry but I'm a hardcore SHINRAN fan! And it really gets on my nerve,no offense guys, if someone says stuff like 'Ran can't keep up with Shinichi' or 'Ran and Shinichi have nothing in common',keeping up with one's line of work doesn't really matter in relationships,its an obvious fact and you see(This is a random 'you' hihi) Shinichi and Ran managed to be friends for at least 10 years,how do you think they did it, while have 'nothing' in common, Even though they have different interests, but they have the same point of view, and they respect each others interests,willing to tolerate,care for each other,this is enough in a relationship...And Ran is supportive of Shinichi's work, like I said earlier, 'keeping up' isn't necessary...hm..I reached my limit now, too tired to continue,so I'll come back later and continue?

    P.s: this post is filled with my random views and it might not make any sense cause I'm too tired to re-read so...

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  7. On 9/8/2016 at 9:23 AM, Antiyonder said:

    [quote=Ayuna Yume] And someone mentioned that BO's not sparing her even if she doesnt know, so I don't see the point in keeping the secrets, and also no matter when she finds out, she would always forgive him coz its Ran, she would never use her karate on Shinichi, pls dont mind my previous comment:( [/quote]

     

    Plus I think for all of the times that Ran has displayed less flattering traits like superstition, that shouldn't be used as a reason to dismiss the possibility that she is capable of holding her only or displaying strength and intelligence when it matters.

     

     

    Hm...I didn't mean that Ran is incapable of keeping secrets,not at all. In fact, I support the fact that she would be able to assist Shinichi/Conan if she is to know the truth. What I was saying is, if the BO ever gets to know Conan's true identity, of course they would eliminate everyone around him especially Ran & Kogoro,with whom he stayed all these while. Shinichi's main reason for not telling her is to protect her, not because he doesn't trust her. The thing is, whether he tells her or not, its not like BO's going to spare her should they know the truth. My point is, Ran is the one who often gets in his way in investigation and its not her fault at all. She's just overly caring and tries to act as his sister, worrying for his well-being and stuff .If she knows the truth, not only she would never get in his way in cases, she would also help cover his secrets as best as she could even though it would be so awkward. I'd much prefer she being the detective and finding out the truth herself or at least someone, the older Kudo couples (I said older because I ship Ran and Shinichi with all my heart and often call them husband and wife hihi ) or Heiji can tell her about it as it would be so awkward if Shinichi telling her himself. I don't want that to happen..I love Shinichi, I am his secret admirer hihi but I don't like him being secretive with his own wife.He didn't have a choice but Gosho-sensei have a lot of chanes to expose it to her. 

    HE BETTER! XD

    @AnimeOtakuDrew I'm really looking forward for your fanfic! Ganbatte! :) and I haven't watch all the episodes either, going to watch ep 737...

    Thanks for your info @Antiyonder, but currently I'm watching dc in a website, Ryuanime.com and I don't feel like changing...


  8. Konnichiwa! Actually, I'm not japanese, but I think japanese is such a kawaii language so I'm kinda learning it hihi. I'm still a newbie for this website, juz signed up yesterday, Actually I've been trying to sign up for ages coz I love dc and was dying to become part of the community and felt really sad since I wasn't accepted :( till yesterday, a miracle happened and ta-da, here I am! Hm..I loved det conan since I was a kid and recently started watching it, and finally reached ep 728, dying to see the ending of this great show! Anyway, nice to meet you guys! Minna-san, hajimemashite! :)

    ps: I'm terrible when its come to punctuation marks so gomen hihi


  9. ARGH!  I'm freaking out, have been trying to sign up for soooo long, juz got to, OK this is my thought on the matter, I really want Ran to know Conan's identity coz its sad to see her waiting & missing someone who's right beside her, And I juz read all, I mean ALL, the comments and got new ideas and thoughts that I didnt even consider, I agree with @Antiyonder and loved @AnimeOtakuDrew's Idea, I really hope Ran can aid Shinichi to defeat BO at least  cover his secret, and I know that she would definitely end up going against BO herself for sure, and I know that if Shinichi know then he would take safety measures to keep her away from dangers. And someone mentioned that BO's not sparing her even if she doesnt know, so I don't see the point in keeping the secrets, and also no matter when she finds out, she would always forgive him coz its Ran, she would never use her karate on Shinichi, pls dont mind my previous comment:(

    BTW, Hello everyone! I juz signed up, this is the my very first comment, am waiting eagerly for your reply! Hajimemashita and  nice to meet you!

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