Balthazar Manfredie
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Give him a break. what is the reason for heating a kid that has succeeded in life at a young age
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okay my story !
Before 1st grade everything went well for me !
i was optimistic,happy and nice to everyone !
got good grades made my parents happy.
Then there was a bully who bullied me with stupid nicknames,pushing me to the ground,laughing on mistakes on me and giving me a feeling i don't get accepted.
then 2e grade he still bullied but i was less,there was a really nice girl i liked but everybody was almost in love with her.Then in 3e grade she beginned acting arrogant and annoying ! i lost trust in her. then 4e grade i got a few friends,most poeple liked me got good grades,the bully became nice ! but everybody atleast confessed to somebody ! i was one of the only one left,they asked me who i was in love then i sayed i don't have loved anyone yet.But they didn't believe me and then chose for me that i liked one of the most popular girl !
Then 5th grade i am being nice to most of the girl and then one of my friends who is in love with that girl say i'm trying to become close to that girl so i could confess my feeling for her ! My heart broked one of my best friend though that i used secret information of him so he couldn't come close to that girl !
But finally i made it up with him,but he stills think i like that girl !
My story may not be that touching but yeah,it's still is important information i trust you guys with !
Your story is OK ,at least in the 1st grade you should have picked a heavy object and smack it over his head, no one should pick on someone for what ever reasons they have
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That's what I am doing.
Also, back on DCTP I started a thread of ideas and speculations about pretty much everything. It's outdated though, there is new stuff to add and some minor corrections to be made, so it may not be worthwhile to read. It's also long. Very long.
I like reading your theory's no mater how long
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Why not make a board of these points you have of the boss and put character that fit in them and narrow down by the ones you think that could be or not
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if the boss did not came in contact with ai, who are the suspects then
Not the Boss list
Reasons why various characters are probably not the boss of the Black Organization (ano kata).
In Progress
General info about the boss and speculations
Boss’s Personality/Background
1) The syndicate leader uses the song “Seven children/ Seven year old child” to encode his/her email. It is likely the Boss is probably Japanese, grew up in Japan, or had Japanese parents, relatives, or spouse as this children’s song is not well known elsewhere.
2) The operatives dress in black, which Akemi says is supposed to resemble crows. This is probably an expression of the boss’s dress code preferences. The choice to use Nanatsu no Ko as a phone number is probably also a reference to crows as well.
3) Uses alcoholic codenames.
4) The organization uses clever codenames, passwords, etc. based on mysteries and history. If the boss is behind the naming scheme then perhaps the boss has an interest in detectives and mysteries.
5) The org has ties to America although the only overseas components occur before the current storyline. The involvement of the American intelligence agencies is testament to this. Perhaps the boss has spent some time in America as well, although that’s not a requisite.
6) The boss is very careful. In file 704 Vermouth says, “The boss is always careful to the extreme. He’s the type to ruin the plan by overthinking it.” (Endless Youth scan.)
Boss’s opinions/relations
1) Vermouth is the boss’s favorite so he/she allows her some independence and overlooks some of her potentially dangerous behavior. It’s confusing why Vermouth is the boss’s favorite when she is the type to actively engage in behavior which is encouraging the syndicate’s downfall - like protecting Conan and allowing Ai to escape. (The boss doesn't know the specifics of course) I have a hard time believing the boss could not see that it is within Vermouth's personality to harbor sympathies or engage in behavior which is counterproductive to the org. Obviously Vermouth has some characteristic that makes up for her actions. (The failure to age possibility?) At the same time the leader can also command the absolute respect of a wildcard like Gin who vocally despises traitors. Why would Gin follow a person who tolerates rogue agents like Vermouth? All of this makes me wonder what exactly makes Gin so loyal. Whatever the reason, the boss clearly knows people well enough to balance these contradictory personalities and their agendas successfully.
2) The Boss thought Akai Shuuichi could become the org’s silver bullet. (434) In that regard he/she's more like Vermouth than Gin who doesn't believe a single person who can take the syndicate down in one shot exists.
Boss’s Location
The infamous Nanatsu no ko number might have a Tottori area code; however, the number, including the area code, was altered to prevent prank calls. In the star case in 45-9, Haibara reacts to the word Kurayoshi – a city in Tottori province. (466)
Boss’s Age
The organization has been around for over 50 years. (file 189, but see the ep 130/131 for a better translation) If the boss has been the same for those fifty years, assuming the boss started the organization at around 20, that would put him/her at 70+ years of age.
As a bottom end estimate, Haibara grew up within the organization and she hasn't mentioned there being a changeover in bosses. (Not that she mentions much of anything regarding the org…) Assuming she remembers things from when she was 6 or 7, that would put the boss at around 30 years at a minimum; however, due to aging wonkiness, the boss may not appear to be as old as he/she is.
Extra Detective Conan book info
Supposedly, Aoyama gave an interview for a book where he discussed the boss. The validity of this info is uncertain as I have not seen the primary source, nor have I seen anyone post it. Therefore the following information and the speculation based on it may be incorrect.
http://forums.dctp.ws/index.php?topic=463.msg6015#msg6015
1 Aoyama had already put the name of the boss somewhere on the manga in some form or another. If I knew when this quote was made, then I could narrow it down to chapters before this point. It’s at least before chapter 644 due to the book’s publishing date, but likely much earlier than that. Some of Aoyama’s Gosho’s interviews place back to around chap 560 or so.
2) Aoyama suggested that the true name of the syndicate, which has also never been revealed, is tied to the identity of its leader. If the Black Organization's real name were revealed, everyone would know who its leader is. This seems like a pretty big hint. I strongly doubt Gosho would do something as direct as naming the organization after the boss's last name. Given the organization’s use of classic literature, especially of the mystery genre, and allegory, the organization’s true name is probably a clever reference or a play on words.
3) Aoyama also said that Ai would be really shocked if she discovered who the boss is. “It’s someone that Haibara would never have expected.” Ai is very paranoid and untrusting, so the condition that the identity of the boss would really shock Ai helps narrow down the cases. There are several possibilities.
1)She trusts this person dearly. There’s a pretty limited number of people that fit this criteria and most of them seem to be dead or are protagonists and therefore very unlikely to be the boss.2)The person wouldn’t fit Ai’s expectations2.1)The person seems "useless" or of unsuitable personality to actually think of them as being a mastermind behind a large organization. Ai would have had to meet this person personally so that she could gauge their personality and subsequently write them off as unlikely to be anyone of consequence. This person would almost certainly not trigger Ai’s “black org sense.”2.2)The boss’s front job or status is unexpected like a policeman or a school teacher rather than a scientist, company boss, or political figure. It would have to be an unusually benign front to really shock Ai. This person would probably not trigger Ai’s “black org sense” either.2.3)The boss is relative of someone close to Ai. This is the “evil relative theory”; one of the protagonist’s relatives is the boss or has a direct connection to the boss. The unlikelihood that the honestly good protagonist has some sort of connection to the head of the evil syndicate makes it shocking. The boss could also literally be Ai’s blood-relative, but considering her family’s underworld connections, I’m not sure that Ai is naïve enough to assume that one of her relatives couldn’t be the boss.2.4)The person's age is unexpected. Given the aging wonkiness that has gone on there is a possibility that the boss could even be a “child” somehow mucked up by drugs or whatnot which would explain why the boss only uses email to avoid allowing people to hear his/her youthful voice and avoids letting people meet him/her although this behavior can simply be explained as generic cautiousness. In this case, Shiho wouldn’t need to have met the boss before to be surprised.3)She thinks this person is dead. Her parents would be an example of this, although that means they ordered the death of both of their daughters. Shiho’s mom especially seems unlikely to do so based on the tapes.=================================================================
Generally, the boss should not be anyone who has had more than passing contact with Haibara because the boss would recognize her. Pisco, Vermouth, and Akai all identified Haibara as Shiho very quickly.
James Black
James Black hasn't used any of the FBI info to the Org's benefit. Despite knowing extremely incriminating information about Haibara, Conan, Kir, and possibly Vermouth, they are not dead as would be expected if the boss was trying to protect the Organization. James Black also has an alibi.
James knows Haibara is the person called Sherry. (See Volume 42 File 11 discussing the witness protection offer the FBI made Haibara) No one in the Org besides Vermouth has shown any signs of knowing where Sherry is, so basically if James is the boss, he hasn't told anyone even though he directed his subordinates to go look for her. Why would the boss order his subordinates to hunt down Shiho, but not make any effort to help them, or even work against them by aiding the FBI and offering her witness protection? It doesn't make sense.
James also knows about Conan and his effective interference with the Org's plans, but again, there has been no action on James' part. Conan was able to get the best of Vermouth with the FBI's help. He is a dangerous threat. In her intro chapters, Haibara told Conan that she thought the Org would kill him before she had the chance to study him; basically the Org's first priority is to stay secret and then get on with research. Also the boss was stated to be very cautious by Vermouth. Why is the boss risking so much by allowing Conan to run about freely and muck with Org plans?
Also James knows Kir is a CIA spy. Why keep her around? Why can't the BO set a trap for her and kill her while she contacts the CIA, or pretend they caught her calling the CIA? Or knowing she was a CIA spy, couldn't he guess the plan that allowed Kir and Akai to fake Akai's death? (He knows how Camel escaped or could ask him later, and I presume Gin and Vodka have the video) Basically, James would know about the same amount of info as the readers. He should be able to figure it out if he is smart.
If James was the boss, he would know that Vermouth made a move on Sherry, and that Vermouth not only failed to capture/kill her, she also lied about what she was doing and left a "witness" to her plans (Araide) alive. Vermouth made a very big slip-up here. Even if she is his favorite, why should he tolerate destructive-to-the-Organization behavior?
Near the end of FBI vs. the Organization, Gin received permission from the boss to change targets to Mouri Kogoro. At the time Gin's permission was received, James Black was driving a car with Conan and Jodie in it and thus would not be able to manipulate a cellphone while driving without Conan and Jodie noticing.
Agasa Hiroshi
Agasa hasn't used any of the damaging information he knows about to the Organization's benefit. If he was the boss, he is behaving contrary to the orders he is issuing his subordinates. Also, he has aided the FBI and Conan in working against the Black Organization and in acquiring information about the Black Organization.
Agasa is keeping Conan's secret, although it has been stated by Haibara that if Conan was discovered, the Black Organization would kill him. Agasa has also made Conan several gadgets which have been used to damage the Organization. He has also helped Conan meet various Black Organization related people (Professor Hirota, the architect Dejima).
Agasa took in and has sheltered Sherry. If Agasa is the boss, he hasn't told anyone about Sherry's location and is instead protecting her even though he directed his subordinates to go look for her and kill her. It doesn't make sense and is counterproductive to give subordinates an order and then work against them.
Vermouth, the BO agent who most likely knows the boss's identity, tried to find a way to separate Haibara from Conan and Agasa. Agasa, if he was the boss, had multiple opportunities to make sure Conan was away and hand Haibara off to Vermouth. He did not do this, nor did he tell Vermouth to back off. Also, he overheard the conversation where Vermouth promised not to go after Sherry anymore, and thus she has traitorous intentions. Vermouth hasn't been killed.
Agasa aided Conan in several endeavors to thwart the Black Organization or collect information about them. These include breaking into Gin's car, passing information to Conan used to identify Pisco, informing Conan that Shiho was being shot on the roof of the Haido City Hotel, helping Conan collect Itakura's disc, aiding Conan in ruining Vermouth's plan, eavesdropping on Vermouth and collecting the number of the Black Organization's boss, and helping Jodie and Conan thwart the DJ assassination. He knows about the tracker that was planted on Kir's shoe and that Conan was the one who planted it, yet the boss gave permission for Kogoro to be killed.
Agasa has wound up in many situations where random criminals have beaten/knocked him unconscious and even threatened to kill him. He has shown no ability to defend himself nor has called for the aids of subordinates despite being in serious danger. He also shown no special deductive ability.
Elena Miyano
Elena Miyano is apparently dead, which should rule her out as the boss. In case she is not dead, her personality does not seem suitable for the Black Organization's boss. Elena seemed like a nice person based on the tapes she left for Shiho and her Org codename; "Angel who fell into hell" (Haibara's japanese translation/explanation of "Hell Angel"). Also if she was the boss, it meant she conspired to kill her daughter Miyano Akemi, and then later Miyano Shiho.
Miyano Atsushi
Miyano Atsushi is apparently dead, which should rule him out as the boss. In case he is not dead, while we don't know much about his personality, he cared enough about Miyano Akemi to bring her with him and Elena to visit an old friend. Also, Elena seems to have a nice personality (explained above) so, could the cold and ruthless boss form a stable relationship with someone like her? Also, if Atsushi was the boss, it meant he conspired to kill his daughter Miyano Akemi, and then later Miyano Shiho.
Kisaki Eri
If Eri Kisaki was the boss, she ordered her own husband, whom she has loving feelings for, to be killed. Additionally because she was not present when issuing the command, she would not know if Ran was at the Detective agency and thus in the line of fire. This is completely unlike Eri Kisaki's personality.
Mouri Kogoro
The boss wouldn't give Gin orders for his own assassination, which is what occurred in FBI vs. the Black Org.
Yoko Okino
Yoko Okino is unlikely to be the boss because she has not made any effort to avoid Kogoro who is thought to be a renowned detective. Yoko Okino also introduced Mizunashi Rena to Mouri Kogoro in order to have Mizunashi's stalker problem solved. The boss would want to avoid interactions between Black Organization operatives and renowned detectives if possible should the detective notice something amiss.
Miyano Akemi
Akemi is not the boss because she is definitely dead. She died in Conan's arms, and Conan would be smart enough to tell if someone was faking it if they were pretending to die in his arms.
Inspector Momose and Inspector Yuminaga
There really isn't much to go on because of their relatively small number of appearances. They both have had significant contact with Haibara which per the general assumption stated at the top suggests they are not the boss.
Yokomizo Sango and Juugo, and Misao Yamamura
All have had significant contact with Haibara which would rule them out per the general assumption stated at the top.
To be added: Kudo Yuusaku and any one else suggested in comments
Judging by what you said the only 70+ years, who has not seen ai, and was born in japan and is close to tottori is Misae Yamamura
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okay I'll start...(don't know how to start)
(It's not much of a story like you guys...)
I've been living my life like a bird in a cage... You know like living up to the expectations of my parents.. I've never had an enjoyable childhood like playing outside and enjoying my life as a kid... but I've had a good life they give me anything that I want... all they want is that I study and study and study.. they always expect me to good at everything.. (so hard!) also I feel that they are pressuring me to be the first in our class T.T.. I hate pressure! also they hate me being an otaku or an anime fan.. my life is all about pressures *sigh* also they want me to be like my sister who is great at everything (in music, sports, academics)
Next, in school (Philippines), I'm only known because I'm smart but I wanted to be known for who I really am... and also guys keep calling me ugly or something but thanks to my friends support they made a makeover for me and poof.. they stop calling me ugly... I really want to stuff wasabi ice cream in their mouths... I've been accepted here as an otaku..
Next, we went to Japan and there I've been keeping my identity as an otaku secret... They say in japan, they mostly despise otaku and bullies them.. I don't want that to happen to me but I want to expose my real me to my classmates...
Crush:
back then in the philippines, I had a crush on someone (we are close maybe really close) but the day before we went to Japan he said to me that he proposed to some girl and he got accepted... this break my heart... (ouch!) *cry*
then when I went to japan life gave me a chance.... I was walking down the road and I bumped to a handsome and cute guy! (omg!) it turns out it is an actor and idol in Japan... I love life... but I think he has a girlfriend
thanks for reading guys... I know it's not heartfelt like the others but I want to say it to you guys because you are my friends.. please take care of me!
*gives ice cream*
Wow, rums life story was so touching, i wish her the best in the world
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What do you think of this zexal ( the new YUGIOH series )
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I prefer Linkin park and 2PAC
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Where would we be, if IDU didn't correct our grammar mistakes
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M14 was more "funny" then dangerous, but i still i did not liked it that much
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I give my vote to The time bomb skyscraper,The Fourteenth Target , Captured in Her Eyes, The Phantom of Baker Street, Countdown to heaven, Last wizard of the century
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A friend from japan told me that the OVA 11 will be out at the end of june ( 20-30 )
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My my isn't this a weal visited topic
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I have heard that the subed version will come out at the end of oct
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It's already been added, Balthazar.
sorry, im sick today so i dont know what im thinking identity
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Dracula's Villa Murder Case and Cort room battles are great
also the mysterious sniper murder case. ILL add more someday
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I pick sonoko
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Ran is the heart of the show, so full of emotions ( better cut them down to a certain size a bit )
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she cant be described in 1 word
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I prefer GIN, That silver hair and the hat. He looks like the grim reaper
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If Shuu was the boss, he already knows about Conan and Haibara. Why hasn't he done anything yet? If Akai was the boss that means he has shot at his underlings multiple times to the point where they say Akai is an enemy in "private conversation" (i.e. no one except Black Org listening in so there is no reason to trick anyone). Also, Shuu didn't lie about Vermouth being young: when his shotgun blast grazed Vermouth's face, you could see her face bleeding which demonstrated that she wasn't wearing a mask and thus her youthful appearance was her true face. It was Jodie who did the examination of Sharon and Chris's fingerprints, so she would have to be in on the deception too along with Akai.
Now that was stupid, thinking that shuu is the boss
I agree...
maybe the parents of ai have something to do with it... O.O
That is a most likely the case
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That burbon is scar akai. If amnesia can make you forget with which hand you do stuff, and you aper around your friends all the time not saying a word. Then ill say he is the real one
And why would jodie think he cant speak if he is in a bank ( why would a man who can not speak and has no one there to talk for him be in a bank)
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Chekov has a point in these suspects, but agasa is like Watson to conan. Cause holmes had watson on his side, and shinichi is holmes in this story. Doubt that aoyama meant the boss to apere in 500+ epis
What is it special (a little ) about the boss that is seen in one other character
Not the Boss list
Reasons why various characters are probably not the boss of the Black Organization (ano kata).
In Progress
Generally, the boss should not be anyone who has had more than passing contact with Haibara because the boss would recognize her. Pisco, Vermouth, and Akai all identified Haibara as Shiho very quickly.
James Black
James Black hasn't used any of the FBI info to the Org's benefit. Despite knowing extremely incriminating information about Haibara, Conan, Kir, and possibly Vermouth, they are not dead as would be expected if the boss was trying to protect the Organization. James Black also has an alibi.
James knows Haibara is the person called Sherry. (See Volume 42 File 11 discussing the witness protection offer the FBI made Haibara) No one in the Org besides Vermouth has shown any signs of knowing where Sherry is, so basically if James is the boss, he hasn't told anyone even though he directed his subordinates to go look for her. Why would the boss order his subordinates to hunt down Shiho, but not make any effort to help them, or even work against them by aiding the FBI and offering her witness protection? It doesn't make sense.
James also knows about Conan and his effective interference with the Org's plans, but again, there has been no action on James' part. Conan was able to get the best of Vermouth with the FBI's help. He is a dangerous threat. In her intro chapters, Haibara told Conan that she thought the Org would kill him before she had the chance to study him; basically the Org's first priority is to stay secret and then get on with research. Also the boss was stated to be very cautious by Vermouth. Why is the boss risking so much by allowing Conan to run about freely and muck with Org plans?
Also James knows Kir is a CIA spy. Why keep her around? Why can't the BO set a trap for her and kill her while she contacts the CIA, or pretend they caught her calling the CIA? Or knowing she was a CIA spy, couldn't he guess the plan that allowed Kir and Akai to fake Akai's death? (He knows how Camel escaped or could ask him later, and I presume Gin and Vodka have the video) Basically, James would know about the same amount of info as the readers. He should be able to figure it out if he is smart.
If James was the boss, he would know that Vermouth made a move on Sherry, and that Vermouth not only failed to capture/kill her, she also lied about what she was doing and left a "witness" to her plans (Araide) alive. Vermouth made a very big slip-up here. Even if she is his favorite, why should he tolerate destructive-to-the-Organization behavior?
Near the end of FBI vs. the Organization, Gin received permission from the boss to change targets to Mouri Kogoro. At the time Gin's permission was received, James Black was driving a car with Conan and Jodie in it and thus would not be able to manipulate a cellphone while driving without Conan and Jodie noticing.
Agasa Hiroshi
Agasa hasn't used any of the damaging information he knows about to the Organization's benefit. If he was the boss, he is behaving contrary to the orders he is issuing his subordinates. Also, he has aided the FBI and Conan in working against the Black Organization and in acquiring information about the Black Organization.
Agasa is keeping Conan's secret, although it has been stated by Haibara that if Conan was discovered, the Black Organization would kill him. Agasa has also made Conan several gadgets which have been used to damage the Organization. He has also helped Conan meet various Black Organization related people (Professor Hirota, the architect Dejima).
Agasa took in and has sheltered Sherry. If Agasa is the boss, he hasn't told anyone about Sherry's location and is instead protecting her even though he directed his subordinates to go look for her and kill her. It doesn't make sense and is counterproductive to give subordinates an order and then work against them.
Vermouth, the BO agent who most likely knows the boss's identity, tried to find a way to separate Haibara from Conan and Agasa. Agasa, if he was the boss, had multiple opportunities to make sure Conan was away and hand Haibara off to Vermouth. He did not do this, nor did he tell Vermouth to back off. Also, he overheard the conversation where Vermouth promised not to go after Sherry anymore, and thus she has traitorous intentions. Vermouth hasn't been killed.
Agasa aided Conan in several endeavors to thwart the Black Organization or collect information about them. These include breaking into Gin's car, passing information to Conan used to identify Pisco, informing Conan that Shiho was being shot on the roof of the Haido City Hotel, helping Conan collect Itakura's disc, aiding Conan in ruining Vermouth's plan, eavesdropping on Vermouth and collecting the number of the Black Organization's boss, and helping Jodie and Conan thwart the DJ assassination. He knows about the tracker that was planted on Kir's shoe and that Conan was the one who planted it, yet the boss gave permission for Kogoro to be killed.
Agasa has wound up in many situations where random criminals have beaten/knocked him unconscious and even threatened to kill him. He has shown no ability to defend himself nor has called for the aids of subordinates despite being in serious danger. He also shown no special deductive ability.
Kisaki Eri
If Eri Kisaki was the boss, she ordered her own husband, whom she has loving feelings for, to be killed. Additionally because she was not present when issuing the command, she would not know if Ran was at the Detective agency and thus in the line of fire. This is completely unlike Eri Kisaki's personality.
Yoko Okino
Yoko Okino is unlikely to be the boss because she has not made any effort to avoid Kogoro who is thought to be a renowned detective. Yoko Okino also introduced Mizunashi Rena to Mouri Kogoro in order to have Mizunashi's stalker problem solved. The boss would want to avoid interactions between Black Organization operatives and renowned detectives if possible should the detective notice something amiss.
Elena Miyano
Elena Miyano is apparently dead, which should rule her out as the boss. In case she is not dead, her personality does not seem suitable for the Black Organization's boss. Elena seemed like a nice person based on the tapes she left for Shiho and her Org codename; "Angel who fell into hell" (Haibara's japanese translation/explanation of "Hell Angel").
Miyano Akemi
Akemi is not the boss because she is definitely dead. She died in Conan's arms, and Conan would be smart enough to tell if someone was faking it if they were pretending to die in his arms.
Inspector Momose and Inspector Yuminaga
There really isn't much to go on because of their relatively small number of appearances. They both have had significant contact with Haibara which per the general assumption stated at the top suggests they are not the boss.
To be added: Kudo Yuusaku, Mouri Kogoro, and any one else suggested in comments
My guess is Sango Yokomizo, Misao Yamamura, Jugo Yokomizo, Jirokichi Suzuki, Misae Yamamura,
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No one we have ever saw
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they look great