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7 hours ago, Aries Bless said:It just occured to me, that maybe the Haneda Family are the rich friend of the Tsutomu, who supports Sera's stayings at hotels.
yeah, it has been the most likely option since the reveal that Haneda Yasuharu was Akai Tsutomu's friend.
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8 minutes ago, DCUniverseAficionado said:SpoilerInteresting options. Although I would personally cross off Kiyonaga, since he was kind of written off the series as his VA died, and Kuroda became the convinient replacement. Not sure if Sakurako & Hina are "hypeworthy" characters for the editors, but the FBI are a pretty good guess (although James seems like the least "hypeworthy" of the bunch, seeing as his relevance/appearance in the series overall has been pretty minimal).
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16 minutes ago, DCUniverseAficionado said:In any case, whether its her or whether its someone we haven't seen for a long time (but not as long a time as her absence)...
Who would your wild guess be?
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Can't wait for proper plot progression! ^^
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2 minutes ago, Otaku3670 said:Something still bugs me, why did Rum allow Soul detective to rant about Kohji case resolution but was very wary about Asaca song case?
Rum specifically wasn't shown to be wary of either or. We just know the BO as a whole had their attention on both cases, because it's connected to Rum's mistake. As for Hotta, he wasn't shown to be an "allowed"/dismissed Kohji case investigator by BO. We just didn't follow the BO perspective in regards to his Kohji case segment announcement (except at the very end through Gin & Vodka after his death), as we did through Bourbon & Vermouth with Rokumichi's ASACA song announcement.
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Oooka & Haneda household connection
Recent development from File 1042 makes Iori Muga even more suspicious, since we now found out that the Haneda household is a wealthy associate of the Oooka household.
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His position as a Butler for the Oooka, who seems to be trusted and relied on by the Haneda, makes for a perfect information source (without getting too close to the target) about what they know about the Kohji case and what they are up to, to cover for his 17-year-old mistake (File 953), especially if RUM suspects (naturally) that the Haneda family are behind the repeated Kohji case information upload online (File 948) which the BO keeps taking down.
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1 hour ago, DCUniverseAficionado said:SpoilerYes, and not just in that sense, but also that "Highball", his potential current codename, could by technicality also be considered as Rum (only that it has coke as ingredient as well). Basically, "Rum" is indeed amongst the trio, but not the second-in-command Rum.
QuoteSpoilerSo Kanenori's just the bitter former second in command, and Muga is the man who passed him up?
SpoilerNot necessarily a bitter one, but at the very least an underestimating (of Rum) one.
Perhaps he preferred that Gin took the mantel instead, if Wakita's current mission/actions that aligns with Gin's interest (and if the "demon in the dark" idiom, which Gin & Wakita's potential drugging target quoted, originates from Wakita) is any indication of a mentor-student relationship (since Wakita design is inspired by a mentor character).
QuoteSpoilerThen why was Muga at Juke Hotel 17 years ago instead of Kanenori? Had he already been forced to step aside for Muga, by then? In other words, has Kanenori had the codename "Highball" since 17 years ago, or even before that?
SpoilerIf the dying message is indeed implicating Muga as according to my theory, then that would be the natural assumption.
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On 9/6/2019 at 1:49 AM, DCUniverseAficionado said:The only issue is that, in Super Digest Book Black Plus, Gosho said that Rum was either Hyōe, Rumi or Kanenori—and only one of those three—his answer to that specific question didn't leave room for him to give an evasive answer and leave open the possibility of a fourth suspect. If it turns out there is a fourth suspect, and that suspect is Rum, then Gosho didn't just mislead, evade, or misdirect with this answer—he straight-up lied. And I don't recall Gosho straight-up lying when it comes to questions regarding the unrevealed big mysteries of the series. I don't recall him ever declaring, be it in Let's Talk Days or SDBs or interviews—before the reveals—that Vermouth wasn't disguised as Dr. Ariade, or that Hidemi Hondō and Rena Mizunashi weren't the same person, or that Scar Akai was Bourbon, or that Bourbon was Tōru Amuro. So I don't think he'd lie about Rum only being either Hyōe, Rumi or Kanenori.
I actually have a theory which fits with his seemingly confirming reply to SDB BLACK+ Q92 “Is Rum certainly amongst the trio Kuroda, Wakasa & Wakita?”.
I don’t actually think it’s as straightforward as he made it seem.
I think that his reply stems from the fact that...
"Wakita Kanenori = Highball" Theory
Wakita Kanenori is the former “Rum” in the BO, and his current code-name is actually the same as the drink that was referenced in his introduction, “Highball” (File 975). Highball is a cocktail drink that is a mix of a liquor and non-alcoholic drink, and a common one among them is “Rum + Coke”.
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These two drinks were also referenced in his intro (as “Pirate’s spirit” & “Cola”) along with "Highball".
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I think that after passing on the second-in-command title, he was given this cocktail code-name as a symbol of that he is not the same Rum anymore (the same concentration of Rum in the drink in other words).
In other words, from my perspective, Gosho is pulling another misleading comment like he did with Animal Crossing for File 906 (where "Rum" he is thinking of is not the same as the one you would originally think), where he had said “Rum has actually already appeared (laughs)” (which was actually referring to Lum).
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2 hours ago, DCUniverseAficionado said:Yeah, I noticed that, too, while reading 1,040—especially the bit where he actually counted the minutes and seconds.
And what's your opinion on the impatience and time sensitivity of Hyōe, Rumi and Kanenori, by comparison?
Hyoue's impatience portrayal while talking to Yamato is certainly incriminating, but then again, that's a part of a package of obvious Rum portrayal, and we certainly haven't seen that side more than once. I don't think however that Rumi and Wakita has acted unusually, or unjustifiably, impatient. I think their time is yet to come, considering how fresh that newly established intel on Rum is.
In comparison however, Iori's obsession of time is definitely much clearly defined and distinguishable (as you said, counting seconds) through his continues attention on it during mulitple matters.
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Wakasa Rumi's memories
SpoilerMy suspicions about this proverb about the kakugyo (watchtower bishop) and Kohji asking if Rumi (someone) will still kill him despite that, as well as Rumi calling him foolish, is that Kohji surrendered to his death and was calmly ready to use the bishop piece as a dying message (hence fitting with the proverb "future holds a good move...", since its move will take effect in the future after he dies), and Rumi (who is implied to be BO) had come to his room with intentions to kill him before Rum got to him (wild shot: because she wanted to prevent APTX usage by Rum), but Kohji, having an inkling on her inconsistent intentions with Amanda's killer, convinced Rumi, who took his proverb as the piece being his good luck charm (hence the flashback trigger from "good luck charm"), to pretty much let him make his stand against Amanda's killer with his "good-fortuned" retaliation (which actually meant to leave the bishop piece as a crucial part of the dying message and die by Amanda's killer's hand), thus leading to his death and her calling him a foolish guy for his martyr-like act, and perhaps also because Rum took the bishop piece from his hand in the end (since he doesn't have it on his hand in her memory), making everything seem like a failed retaliation. That would mean that Rumi was there to see him orchestrate the dying message and know what the relevant pieces are (whether she takes anything later or not) and hid herself when Rum came in to kill him (since this was noted as Rum's mistake alone, and not any other BO figure).
Either Gosho is being fair with the flashback implications (meaning that Kohji indeed wondered if she was gonna kill him), or he is going to extreme lengths of highlighting misleading snipbits from completely different contexts of her memory to fuel the Rum mislead. Personally, I'm leaning towards him being fair on this, since unlike Conan during swimsuit and Ran during Chinatown, Rumi doesn't seem to have recollection issues (since she boldly calls Kohji foolish, meaning she remembers Kohji's actions), so it doesn't make sense for her to recall out-of-context snipbits when she already remembers the context (unlike Ran and Conan).
I don't think Kohji's proverb necessarily excludes the piece's promoted side (uma) from being relevant, since the proverb can just be his way of emphasizing the piece as a whole to be important for later. The fact that Gosho revealed the piece with its uma side in File 1008, and then highlights the piece with a kaku proverb here makes both sides candidates (and perhaps it's the least obvious one with that logic, uma, seeing as we had the Rum horse easter eggs).Wakasa Rumi's pain
SpoilerConan concluding from Rumi just pressing on her eye area that she has monocular vision is to me just another Gosho attempt to mislead, because her pressing like that in general can also be a sign of headache/migraine. This is yet another symptom of wearing unfit glasses imo.
Also, her excuse about feeling "anemic" is an interesting choice, since it immediately reminds me of Vermouth, who made the same excuse for Masumi collapsing in File 822.
Conan's fake identity examples
Spoiler"Such as a Detective, who'd change it to something that makes it easier to extract information"
--> Kuroda"Or a Spy, who'd turn into someone well suited to the place they're infiltrating"
--> Wakita"Or Someone who'd pose as someone else to deceive people..."
--> Wakasa
So in other words...Tsutomu is "Kuroda Hyoue the Superintendent" to extract information easier.
the Spy (helping Gin) is "Wakita Kanenori the Chef" to get well suited to Iroha that he's infiltrating.
Vermouth is posing as someone else ("Wakasa Rumi the deputy homeroom teacher") to deceive people.
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2 hours ago, DCUniverseAficionado said:Someday...
Indeed ^^
1 hour ago, Rosemary said:Good job.
Your artwork is great.
Thank you
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On 3/16/2019 at 3:48 AM, Secretgirl16 said:Sorry I want everything surrounded by Spoiler
I dont know how to delete these
Click "edit", select everything that you want to surround in spoilers, click on the eye symbol for "spoiler". And then "save changes".
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15 minutes ago, Kitahata said:Sera's been pretty obvious about knowing, and I almost expect she'd drop a bomb here. Not yet, I guess.
Also, Gosho's taking a lot of research breaks lately. Are these research trips for chapters much further ahead? This chapter didn't LOOK like it needed any particular reference, but maybe I just don't know my stuff.
the long frequent breaks is so that Gosho doesn't overwork himself and worsen his health, since he has had a lot of health issues (like many Mangakas) due to overworking (a common thing in the japanese culture). He used to sleep 3 hours a day in the last decades, but now with these long breaks between cases, he is sleeping much better.
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Spoilerthe hearsay implies that there's nothing of value to the main plot, so I assume it's mostly case deduction with some "smug Sera" moments.
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3 hours ago, DCUniverseAficionado said:I honestly think either Asaka or Tsutomu would have had more windows of opportunity to take it. I guess it depends on whether you think the piece Rumi has is the very same one pried out of Kōji's hand or not—if it is, she's more likely to be Asaka.
All I can say is... there's no requirement for Rumi's piece(s) to be the exact same object(s) taken from that case because they are generic objects that aren't unique to that incident. You can find an uma piece anywhere. We can at least infer however that such knowledge was acquired by her (whether it was by directly being in possession of said objects or whether she got the info/objects second-hand).
QuoteI have to wonder what prompted him to choose that specific alias—whether he's Rum or not, for him to happen to have an alias that, re-arranged and translated into English, is Rum's catchphrase (at least, it's his catchphrase in the context of these "Hurry up and give me intel on Shinichi Kudō" messages he's sent to Bourbon)... is it just an out-of-universe signal to readers from Gosho, or does the man with this alias have a reason for choosing it?
I'm pretty confident about this being an in-universe word play, much like "Mizunashi Rena"="no water (0) re (0) na (7)".
My interpretation on that is straightforward. Wakita uses the idiom "Toki wa Kane nari" frequently (which without any translations was made directly into a name by rearranging letters). He is after all portrayed to be an edokko who uses japanese proverbs. Now, as for the later bit about Rum using an english version of that quote, that's a matter of what ones preconception of Rum is, if he is someone more accustomed to the english language, or if he is an edokko who for some reason decided to use it in a more out-of-character way. In the former angle, then it's possible that there's some kind of influence between Rum and Wakita that lead to both of them using the same idiom (but in their own way). In the latter angle, then that would mean that Wakita, as Rum, simply chose it because that was the name that came natural to him, because he uses its origin often, even in a different language.
In the same way, if he is indeed working on Gin's behalf when it comes to Kogoro, and if he is indeed behind Mary's shrinking (as alluded to by his fitting covered left eye to Akai's left eye, which was hit by a Mary-knife-hand-strike), He is more than likely the source of the idiom "It's like encountering a demon in the darkness" as well, which could mean that he is indeed the idiom bank who (in the former angle) influences his fellow members (maybe as a high-up senior/mentor/coach figure) or (in the latter angle) simply rubbed off on Gin as second-in-command (with the latest SDB allusion of antipathy between Gin and Rum, this latter angle seems unlikely).
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1 hour ago, DCUniverseAficionado said:More of a just-to-be-safe measure than anything else.
Via deduction? With or without testimony from Rum (again, I'd doubt he'd just tell her about that)? I'd think the only one who'd know about the piece and its significance would be the one who took it from Kōji's dead hand—even if the case info specifies that a Ryuma piece that was there before was missing (assuming they took note of such a fact, of course), the only one who could be certain that it was part of Kōji's message is the one who pried it out of his hand.
that, or just anyone else that got ahold of Rum's testimony, like the boss (who views Vermouth as his favorite due to some relationship).
the one who pried it out of his hand could be Rum himself.
1 hour ago, DCUniverseAficionado said:Honestly? No. I just don't feel comfortable, at this stage, making predictions about this dying message—and that's even if we do, right now, have all the pieces.
"Ryuma Carasuma." That's what we seem to have—I don't know how that points to Kanenori Wakita.
that's the issue with "Wakita Kanenori". His name itself is an obvious alias derived from "Toki wa kanenari" (more than likely at least). In other words, without an actual real first name that doesn't seem like an alias, there's no method to idenitfying him as Rum through the dying message (assuming he is even Rum to begin with), and I don't see us getting a new name from him that the shogi piece + whatever remaining clues can allude to.
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8 hours ago, DCUniverseAficionado said:For that scenario, it would need a very specific time window in order to keep her room from having to be cleaned up by Rum—perhaps after poisoning Amanda, Rum went to silence Asaka (perhaps Rum called Asaka in when Asaka was standing outside). At this point, Kōji just happens to come by—he notices either Rum and Asaka going in the room or notices that no one is outside the room. He elects to then enter the room—and finds Asaka under attack (and likely sees Amanda dead, as well). A surprise attack by Rum near the door, inside the room, would allow there to be physical contact without messing up the room—at the very least, it would keep any potential mess to a minimum. Rum immediately stops and lunges at this witness to his crimes. Kōji runs, but Rum is able to stay right on his heels—this leads Kōji to conclude that he won't outrun Rum, so he makes for his own room, and tries to keep Rum out. At this point, Asaka is either in a haze from Rum's surprise attack, or is unconscious due to it.
In the former case, Asaka comes at Rum, only for Rum to take advantage of Asaka's haze and incapacitate them—before he can APTX Asaka, however, he sees Tsutomu running at him. He quickly realizes he has to silence Kōji—now. He breaks in, finally. Kōji sustains defensive wounds before Rum forces APTX down his throat. Tsutomu then barges in and fights Rum. The fight ends with Rum fleeing the scene.
In the latter case, Rum sees Tsutomu running at him as he tries to get Kōji's door open. He quickly realizes he has to silence Kōji—now. He breaks in, finally. Kōji sustains defensive wounds before Rum forces APTX down his throat. Tsutomu then barges in and fights Rum. The fight ends in Rum fleeing the scene.
Perhaps Tsutomu leaves Asaka in the lurch, but perhaps he doesn't—the former scenario fits better with Asaka being rendered unconscious by Rum's initial surprise attack, while the latter scenario fits better with Asaka managing to stay conscious longer after Rum's initial surprise attack.
As for the Asaka talking with Kōji scenario, this would lead to Asaka putting up a better fight—nonetheless, Kōji would still be forced into his room. When Asaka is finally rendered unconscious, Rum sees Tsutomu running at him. He quickly realizes he has to silence Kōji—now. He breaks in, finally. Kōji sustains defensive wounds before Rum forces APTX down his throat. Tsutomu then barges in and fights Rum. The fight ends in Rum fleeing the scene. In this case, Tsutomu intervening on Asaka's behalf and getting them out of there while they're unconscious fits this scenario better than Tsutomu leaving Asaka in the lurch.
I see, so in the latter scenario, Kohji locks Rum out as well, and Kohji and Asaka are not having their chat inside his room.
QuoteAs for the Ryuma shogi piece, I believe Rum would've destroyed it had he actually gotten his hands on it—its continued existence would place him at risk. Keeping it around for 17 years seems foolish of him—keeping it around for 17 years and then giving it to Vermouth seems even more foolish of him. If Gin doesn't trust Vermouth's antics, why would Rum, a man Gin seems to respect the authority of, and a man who has gotten Vermouth to back off (yes, Movie 20 isn't canon, but didn't Gosho write that scene—correct me if I'm wrong)? Even if Anokata told Rum she should be allowed to have it, if she was insistent on having it for her plans, her getting her hands on it at all would require Rum to keep it for 17 years—which is very unlikely to me.
Oh no, it doesn't even have to be the exact same piece. for starters, such a piece wouldn't even be able to endanger him, since it's just a shogi piece that you can wipe fingerprints away from. nothing about such a piece could be narrowed down to originating from the Kohji case, unless there's distinguishable marks on it that a photo or a non-biased witness could corroborate was made by/belonged to Kohji. And like I said, it doesn't have to be the same piece. It's enough for Vermouth to get ahold of the info that such piece existed, whether Rum got rid of the piece or not.
(not sure if Gosho wrote that M20 scene, but I wouldn't dismiss that either way, since Gosho was acting as a supervisor)
QuoteSo if Rum didn't take it, either Asaka or Tsutomu took it. If Asaka were to take it on their own, after regaining consciousness, that decision would be based on impulse rather than cohesive thought. If Tsutomu took it, perhaps he left it with Asaka.
Since Rumi has the piece, this line of reasoning lends to the idea that Rumi is Asaka.
And I assume there's no suggestions yet for how that shogi piece, which Kohji must have clenched in the middle of his right palm, plays into the dying message or identitfies Rum?
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8 hours ago, DCUniverseAficionado said:Rum didn't force his way into Amanda's room—that would've likely led to it ending up messy. If Asaka was standing outside Amanda's room, if Rum had just began by attacking Asaka, then he'd have to deal with hiding the body—and if Amanda didn't expect him, and noticed Asaka was gone or wondered why her bodyguard let this person in, the room might've become messy as Amanda panicked and tried to defend herself. If Asaka was standing inside the room, then Amanda would've likely noticed the commotion of Rum attacking Asaka, and if their fight spilled into the room from the doorway, Amanda's room could've ended up messy, also because Amanda might've reacted in panic to Rum.
Mhm.
QuoteMore likely, Rum was let in by Amanda and Asaka, neither of whom thought the former's life was in danger—if Rum was someone Amanda expected, why attack immediately and risk his intent being exposed immediately when he could just slip in casually and poison Amanda under Asaka's nose. In other words, Amanda was killed first, and then Asaka was attacked.
I agree.
Considering that room service was ordered during Amanda's previous meeting, hinting to Sato's trivia about Shogi players eating sweets during a game (File 946), Rum could've also started a game of chess with Amanda in order to get her snack and drink tea during the game (so he can poison it).
QuoteIf Asaka wasn't APTX'd, then Rum must've been distracted—likely by Kōji (Asaka Vs Rum might've been underway in the hallway by the time Kōji came into view, or he came into view of the room just in time to see the fight spill out into the hallway).
A fight would, in theory, have to cause cause a mess in Amanda's room. Considering that Asaka is a bodyguard figure, it wouldn't be an mess-free takedown. If he was distracted, then he wouldn't have time to clean things up. Wouldn't you agree that the information about a tidy/unmoved room is suggesting that Rum had enough time without distraction to clean up any Asaka-fight-aftermath mess?
QuoteI presume that and Tsutomu's interference bought time for Asaka to regain consciousness—Asaka probably regained consciousness to find Kōji dead. Presuming they'd be arrested, they fled the scene.
Alternatively, Asaka could've been talking with Kōji, thus giving Rum the chance to go and kill Amanda unimpeded. Which then would've led to a fight between Rum and Asaka & Kōji. After knocking Asaka out, Rum immediately hurried to silence Kōji, since if he killed Kōji quick, he could prevent him from escaping, and then come back to silence the unconscious Asaka—silencing Asaka before Kōji ran the risk of letting Kōji escape. After that, Tsutomu intervention, Rum flees, and then Asaka flees.
Ok, this one explains Amanda's clean room, but if Kohji was immediately handled after Asaka was taken down, how did Kohji have time to prepare the dying message? If he was wounded(defensive wounds) and poisoned before Tsutomu interruption, would he be able to move to the bathroom, crack/remove the hand-mirror from its frame, accurately cut out the letters and reassemble the remaining shards into the hand-mirror frame, leave the bathroom and place the mirror under the broken crockery pieces before finally not being able to take the pain of the poison and die?
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Just so you guys know, Gosho had confirmed in the Boss reveal interview, that came out with File 1008, that the anagram hint hits the mark with CARASUMA:
(https://aminoapps.com/c/detective-conan-meitantei-conan/page/blog/interview-with-aoyama-gosho-about-the-boss-ss-double-issue-3-4/qWY2_waSRunBgMk0E0GpWvpzl2o0ekmPzV)
So if there are more twists coming, it's not by the alteration of the mirror message, but by the addition of other elements as a part of the message.