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1. Please use spoiler boxes until a full English translation is available.
2. NO DIRECT LINK to any Japanese scans (RAWs) or English scans (Japanese spoiler images are allowed as long as the amount and quality of which are very far away from a full scan).
HOW TO USE A SPOILER BOX?
Just simply type the following:
[spoiler]Text you want to write[/spoiler]
Here's the preview for the case, courtesy of BK 201, and translation courtesy of Mera:
Spoiler"After a turbulent night, Conan is pondering the disquieting words that Camel heard.
On the other hand, it's Ran with an odd smile.
And the one who is coming to the detective agency is...."
Spoiler pics for 1,067 have come out:
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7202027874
And here are translations of those spoiler pics, courtesy of Holmes:
SpoilerConan (Internal Monologue): There are 2 things I’m curious about, the thing that Dad and Akai were discussing after we returned from Umizaru Island...
Yusaku (Flashback): That late night tea party’s answer is still pending, after all...
Akai (Flashback) : Yeah...
Conan (Internal Monologue): Tea party...?
Conan (Internal Monologue): That, and the stuff that Camel-san heard about Rum’s true identity...
Camel (Flashback): C-Come to think of it...
Camel (Flashback): Vodka said that...
Camel (Flashback): Rum changed his face,
Camel (Flashback): and goes by a silly name...
Conan (Internal Monologue): A silly name...the FBI agents and Akai-san said they have no idea, and even if I ask Amuro-san I’m pretty sure he’ll just dodge the question, I can only talk about it with...
Conan (Internal Monologue): I did the right thing by taking the FBI ID card away from the breast pocket of the dead man, who fell from a building in Beika...
Conan (Internal Monologue): ...and give it back to James and the others.
Conan (Internal Monologue): Given that the victim was an FBI agent, the situation could've worsened and it would've gotten way harder for Akai and the others to remain in Japan.
Conan (Internal Monologue): Though... Despite having managed to avoid such a situation, there were more than ten casualties...
Conan (Internal Monologue): ...apparently FBI headquarters ordered them to repatriate in order to reorganize...
Conan (Internal Monologue): ...and so a large number of agents went back to their country, America...
Ran: Who are you talking with?!
Heiji & Conan: EEEH?!
Conan: Uh... No, well, actually... this guy is...
Heiji: Umm...
Heiji: Actually, I am...
Kazuha: ...
Kazuha: Judging from your voice... Ain'tcha Kōmoto Byōga from the Naniwa Kids?!
Kazuha: I'm a huuuge fan of yers, ye ken?!
Heiji (Internal Monologue): Wha?!
Here are also some additional spoiler pics that haven't been translated yet:
And a summary of 1,067, as well, translation courtesy of Kemo:
Spoiler- The Cover is Conan with a grin on his face holding on to a Mask.
- In the beginning of the file, Conan, Ran and Kogorō are in the agency watching the news on the FBI's clash with the BO and the island burning.
- Conan thinks about the events and tries connecting them together; Kazuha then enters alone, without Heiji.
- The scene shifts after that to a temple/shrine with Ran, Kazuha and Conan.
- Conan discovers Heiji standing in one of the rows with a mask.
- Heiji tells Conan about the numerous times he tried and failed to confess.
- Heiji gives Conan a mask then Conan puts his Voice Changer into it so that no one else finds him out.
- Suddenly Ran and Kazuha reach to the place where Conan and Heiji are at and Heiji quickly puts on the mask. Kazuha thinks the person is someone else she is infatuated with/interested in.
- There is someone Ran and Kazuha were suspicious of who carries a pack of cards.
- After that, the same person hurries out of a building, and Heiji and Conan also become suspicious of him.
- A loud noise is heard which triggers Conan and the other to run towards it, they discover a body with blood around the head. It is the same person who Kazuha and Ran found suspicious earlier.
-Next to the victim, on the stairs that he went down, a piece of cloth is found (like a sign) and the pack of cards he had earlier contained 4 pictures, all of which are the suspects of this case.
- The file ends after the police arrive on the scene.
- The suspects are three men and one woman (the leaked Images only show two men and one woman) The fourth suspect hasn't appeared yet, knowing that the two men and the woman have been arrested and handcuffed.
- The fourth suspect could have been the victim himself—the picture on the card is different but not clear enough—it will become clearer once the translated file is out.
There's no break next week—we can expect 1,068 spoilers around January 29th.
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6 hours ago, MeiTanteixX said:January 27th. Spoilers can be expected at earliest 22nd. Preview for the next case will officially release 20th, and leaks for the preview will drop at earliest 15th.
And then within 10 days of January 27th, we can expect an English translation of the full file.
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2 hours ago, MeiTanteixX said:Could be, though I'm not really sure if Gosho plans on using that concept for Rum specifically anymore (since my original Wakita theory got debunked). Perhaps it's planned for Sharon/Chris ("mother" passing on the codename "Vermouth" to "daughter").
Well, that would certainly tie into BO origins (especially if Renya Karasuma is the current Vermouth's father).
The culprit of the Mermaid case had been pretending to be an old woman, just as her mother had. Goshō could go for a straight parallel and have the current Vermouth's mother have undertaken such duplicity when she was Vermouth, herself.
I suppose a counterpoint to there being a tradition of Vineyards disguising themselves as a single figure would be that the current Vermouth went to Toichi Kuroba to learn about the art of disguise, thus potentially implying she didn't have such high quality SFX/makeup skill beforehand, thus potentially implying the Vineyard family didn't have such high quality SFX/makeup skill beforehand... but as we saw with the Mermaid case, you don't have to be as good as the Kuroba family at it to pull such deception off.
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1 hour ago, MeiTanteixX said:SpoilerDidn't know we were comparing Chikara with Muga, but sure, I can play along.
It's certainly a reasonable prediction/suspicion, but far from a confirmed link. Chikara seems to be around Kohji's age, so the likelihood of them crossing paths are certainly high, but that doesn't confirm that Chikara had a chess interest on the side like Kohji, let alone that he participated in chess tournaments, or that he participated in that specific tournament from 17 yrs ago in a foreign country. So on that note, this very much established fact that Oooka & Haneda are connected is imo more than enough counter-weight (despite not being intended as such when I wrote it).
SpoilerWho else would be up for comparison? Chikara's likely the only other candidate who I think has a chance for the 4th suspect position. If Chikara Katsumata didn't exist, I'd be right there with you on the "4th suspect is Muga" train.
Even then, Muga just happens to be a butler for this family with a connection to the Haneda family. Even with Chikara's unconfirmed connection to the Kōji case, he already has a stronger connection based on one of the key points of this arc—shogi.
If, for instance, Momiji was a shogi player, just like Kōji, Chikara, Shūkichi and all the other shogi characters, then I'd flip my position on this point and agree that Muga has the stronger connection.
1 hour ago, MeiTanteixX said:I lean towards "no" until there is actual indications of that like in Vermouth arc (where they introduced a senior "Vineyard" for that sort of reveal). Would be no point in the whole "hiding 5 years from your age" angle if it's all fabricated (due to halted aging). I'm rather leaning towards Muga basically being a "Kyogoku Makoto" 17 yrs ago.
So at just 18, he was the 2nd in command? Does the inherited codename possibility come into play? Does his predecessor have a role to play in all this?
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On 12/19/2020 at 9:04 PM, MeiTanteixX said:SpoilerStory reasons:
- Alerting unique intro (friday 13th, never-done-before name-box), where he gets a full-on introduction (unlike his master) where a BO member (Bourbon), that Rum gets very involved with in the future, is present, as well as direct references to Wakita's (Rum's) intro, as a result of replaying the same case format (blood missing on suspects), through Conan ("Not again", as if replaying Rum's intro once more) and Takagi.
- Unresolved mysteries surrounding his characterization, where there's no expected explanation to his stealthy nature, skills, unique knowledge and strength for someone who is framed to be "just an irrelevant butler".
- Thematically fitting the leftover suspect role based on the 3 main Rum descriptions ("effeminate man"), that Rumi couldn't fill, as well as shown to be "exceedingly impatient" (counting seconds) as Rum was described to be, while also being revealed to have a link to the Haneda family (the family of the man who caused Rum's 17-year-old mess-up) through the Oooka household.
- Activities matching Rum's interest (involving himself with Kudo Shinichi)
- Conveniently fitting way where the dying message could implicate him as Kohji's killer and a Karasuma.
Outside of story reasons:
- Gosho constantly shows interest and hype for him, despite his "irrelevant" limited appearances (Animal Crossing / Sherry's soliloquy)
- Gosho used him "randomly" for comparison with Akai's age, along with Amuro (two major main plot characters), despite being just recently introduced (in Let's Talk Day 2017)
- Gosho called him "Sebastian" (in Animal Crossing for File 1002), which while on the surface looks like a Black Butler reference (due sharing the same VA) is from a Sherlockian perspective a Moran (Moriarty's no.2 / Rum parallel) reference.
- Gosho revealed that he always planned to introduce an Oooka to Kazuha's "Toyama" in the manga (before M21 story was planned), and he fully created Iori Muga from scratch. On the topic of the movie... a pretty obvious tell/trope is there to that there is more that meets the eye with him.
SpoilerChikara had no name box, yet still gave his name. To me, that's more understated and less obvious than a "???" name box.
But it's not just that one line from him that's the basis, right? It's also that taking notice of Shinichi/Conan moment.
My response to that is that Chikara's a 50-year-old shogi player who's good enough to be a match for Kōji's heir (Shūkichi)—someone with that occupation and talent could very well have been at Juke Hotel 17 years ago for that tournament. Being a butler of a family who has ties with the Haneda family isn't much of a counter-weight.
If Muga is Rum, then is he like Vermouth? Does his physical appearance not reflect his true age? Or is he actually in his mid 30s, and was in his late teens at the time of the Kōji case?
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6 hours ago, MeiTanteixX said:That is a part of the fun to explore, wouldn't you say?
I almost wanted to bring up Shiragami case as an example of a coincidence, until I realized that the whole "two of the same person, where the real one is disguised as someone else" is straight up the whole Scar Akai & Subaru plot in Bourbon arc
I do think however that relying on gimmicks and concepts that Gosho has demonstrated within cases of the arc in question serves as the most reliable approach in figuring out Gosho's mystery (based on his mentioned track record), regardless if it ends up being true or coincidence.
In this case however, I dare say that there are more than enough reasons for this special butler with a unique name box intro to be the man to suspect as being Rum, and by extension, the one who would need this conveniently fitting "name box deception" concept that Gosho used in this arc (that conveniently would make him the same age as the first person Gosho portrayed to be the one who comes the closest to being Rum, Kansuke).
Indeed, the exploration... the search of "wherein lies true nirvana"... kudos (*rimshot*) if you know where that line is from.
Well, would you look at that...
Shūichi Akai –> Shinichi Kudō
Bourbon –> Makoto Okuda
Subaru Okiya –> The Shirigami
Scar Akai –> Shifty Kudō
We even have the parallel of Shinichi and Shūichi taking on the identity of "a person who doesn't really exist", and Makoto and Bourbon stealing their identity—as well as the latter two's hatred for the former two over a misunderstanding.
The only wrinkle would be that Makoto and his father also took on the identity of the Shiragami—well, Yusaku pretended to be Subaru, so that's the closest we can get to smoothing it over.
Which brings me to the point of which cases. Sure, the concept of Muga actually being 35 has a basis, but that case's only connection to Muga is that it's a direct continuation of a doubleheader of cases (909–912, 913–917/808–809, 810–812) that happened to feature Heiji, (in which, yes, there was a moment where Shinichi/Conan thought of Kansuke as a model for Rum). But are those two connections really enough for you to go, "yep, that's no coincidence"? Because for me, I'd need more to be confident in that as you seem to be.
Muga being Rum would resolve the potential problem of a mere butler coming off the way he did during his intro case, and reveal a deeper layer to many things, such as Shinichi/Conan deeming him a "Watson" to someone else's "Holmes."
But while there's enough info and implication for me to put Muga at the top of the 4th suspect list, I'd need more info about Chikara—with that new info, I'd think he'd either surpass Muga or be ruled out entirely.
6 hours ago, MeiTanteixX said:Now, as for predictions for when the "main event" could happen, I'm looking at it happening in another 5 volumes, seeing as there is now a pattern for major progressions/developments every 5 volumes (Vol 90: "ASACA RUM" [First Rum development since Kir's message], Volume 95: "CARASUMA" [Boss reveal & major ShinRan development), and finally Volume 100: first Rum reveal [Camel faking his death]). I could therefore see Volume 105 being our next landmark for major developments (like for example, Heizuha confession / Rum climax [true identity] / Kohji case reveals [i.e dying message continuation]).
Volume 101: File 1,070–File 1,080
Volume 102: File 1,081–File 1,091
Volume 103: File 1,092–File 1,102
Volume 104: File 1,103–File 1,113
Volume 105: File 1,114–File 1,124
My assumption is that there's at least one fairly pertinent development every 25 Files/3 Volumes (and by extension, every 50/75/100 Files). Assuming we're not launching into a big continuation after the 6 File case we just had, it'll probably be around 1,100 that we get another development/revelation.
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17 minutes ago, MeiTanteixX said:I wouldn't personally go as far as using Mystery train as an example, since it still fullfilled the purpose of a climax, where it not only revealed the identity of the titular antagonist, but also built it up properly through the involvement of the relevant players and lead it to a resolution of the antagonist's activities up to that point (revealing Bourbon's disguise stunts and his goals) as well as resolving one of their goals (Sherry). This FBI serial murder case only revealed 1 thing... Rum's fake identity... and left everything else still pending a resolution (unlike Mystery Train).
My inclusion of it is based on the context provided by the remainder of the Bourbon arc after Mystery Train. That aside... it was more of a climax than the case that just wrapped up, yes.
20 minutes ago, MeiTanteixX said:Still feels like a stretch, since not that many seems to even know of the extent of Rum's secretive nature to begin with. Rye had only heard the name a few times, Sherry had only picked up the same rumors that most BO members have, and not even Vodka/Chianti knew that those rumors were created by Rum himself for the same purpose that he is hiding his voice. If even these codenamed members didn't know this, I don't think that Rum could, or even should, safely assume that the average BO member would expect for Rum to not show his face at all, after they're already mislead into thinking that people have seen his face (due to the existing rumors).
In any case, it's clear he wants confusion and uncertainty. If the answer really is as simple as him being an old man, then said confusion and uncertainty was both the end and the means, rather than just the means—it'd be just the means if the old man is but a disguise.
In other words, if he's just an old man, then even such boldness as showing himself as he truly appears is a part of his strategy—a strategy that features him boldly showing himself and features him creating a mystique of uncertainty around himself. If not, then the mystique of uncertainty extends to never showing himself as he truly appears unless he's sure there's absolutely no chance he can be identified as the BO's 2nd in command.
31 minutes ago, MeiTanteixX said:It is quite alarming that we get the big Morofushi highlight in the same case as Rum seemingly looking into Bourbon's loyalty. If not Rum, I still hope that we get any kind of explanation as to how Scotch got exposed. Would definitely tense-up the drama between Bourbon and Rum if Rum, the fellow disciple under the same "teacher," was responsible though.
Taka'aki/Kōmei may be the ace in the hole for Team Shinichi/Conan—the variable Rum might not expect... that moment of feigning ignorance about just who Rei is may have just saved the day.
45 minutes ago, MeiTanteixX said:Indeed, he would technically have three in total. Was mainly looking at it as "the butler" (Iori") being foreshdowed to have an additional phone used for yet another active fake role, so basically two phones representing two fake identities.
Seemed like that was intended to be the actual highlight twist/reveal of this BO case, whereas the Wakita reveal was merely, as you had mentioned before, the beginning of sorts (like Vermouth/Kir during Reunion/Black Impact), or as I put it, a "surface reveal". Essentially, this is where the build-up towards a proper climax starts.
Just like that blogger lied about being 5 years younger than she actually was (918–920/814–815) is actually Goshō telling us there will be someone 5 years older than they claim to be? Since we're on foreshadowing like this...
For instance, now that we have the full context of the Vermouth arc, we now know the Mermaid case (279–283/222–224) was foreshadowing that Chris Vineyard and Sharon Vineyard were one in the same.
And now we have a culprit who lied about being 5 years younger than they actually are... so therefore a major character in the arc will also claim to be 5 years younger than they actually are? Is it a truly that simple? What makes this true foreshadowing instead of coincidence? And what would be an example of an actual coincidence that could be mistaken as true foreshadowing from this current arc?
54 minutes ago, MeiTanteixX said:Seemed like that was intended to be the actual highlight twist/reveal of this BO case, whereas the Wakita reveal was merely, as you had mentioned before, the beginning of sorts (like Vermouth/Kir during Reunion/Black Impact), or as I put it, a "surface reveal". Essentially, this is where the build-up towards a proper climax starts.
I always did think the Rum arc would provide quite an opportunity to subvert the Bourbon arc (Agasa's mug trick from the file Rum was first mentioned in being an early potential sign of that)—now that Goshō's revealed that the suspect who shares many similarities with Bourbon is indeed Rum, all before we've gotten into the other suspects and the Kōji case, it seems only natural he would have twists at the ready, twists that would likely involve Rum.
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On 12/17/2020 at 6:07 PM, MeiTanteixX said:The conclusion I came to from this vital information update is that Rum might possess mainly 1 of these 3 descriptions and that he spread the other 2 rumors along with it so that if by chance any member got a look at him and spread what they witnessed, the truth would be camouflaged among 3 indistinguishable rumors. Meaning that Rum (as a man) would mainly be either a “stocky man”, an “effeminate man” or an “old man”.
We ended File 1066 with Team Conan just starting to learn about the new hints "changed his face" and "uses a silly name", just before the aforementioned reveal. We got no sign of resolution whatsoever to the Rum mystery. And when it comes to build-up towards the mystery climax, we had none of Gosho's traditional case setup where all the suspects/players in the overarching mystery comes together as the titular antagonist's goals takes the spotlight and the detective (Conan) has pieced the mystery behind antagonist's identity together.
This reveal also surfaced another important indication, that further supported this notion. Rum's old man appearance was used completely undisguised/unaltered as he directly approached a potential traitor (Rye) 2 years ago, which is contradictory to the established behavior/M.O of Rum, where he not only conceals his voice with a voice changer, but even goes as far as to spread misleading rumors of himself, all in order to hide his identity. This further makes it seem like the old man appearance is nothing more than a disguise from the very beginning, which further goes in line with the established information in File 1065 that Rum has changed/disguised his face. So despite Rum seemingly looking to be an “old man” (as according to the descriptions), the truth is still very much likely to be far from that with the new info from Vodka (like for example, an “effeminate man” who has disguised his face).
Therefore, I'm seeing this as merely the beginning towards a real Rum climax, where Rum's/the old man's real identity and face is gonna be revealed (which might happen during the "main event" that Gin foreshadowed in File 1062).
This is where I’m seeing Iori Muga, the "exceedingly impatient", seemingly english-influenced effeminate butler with a polite speech style, fitting in as the end-goal twist of being Rum’s true identity (through Kohji’s dying message) for Gosho.
There naturally will rise questions of how he manages his time as a butler for the Oooka household (to surveillance the Haneda family that the Oooka are connected with) and as a part-time chef (to watch over the detective who might be investigating the Kohji case), but due to lack of information on both ends (Wakita's and Iori's work schedules), it's something left to explore. Iori Muga could have been given the free time by Momiji (who is clearly portrayed to respect him and his input) to be able to spend those days in Tokyo disguised as “Wakita Kanenori”, as far as we know.
Overall however, I truly enjoyed this this case as a whole. File 1066 was definitely my favorite chapter of this case and I'm very happy about the twist (and especially its delivery) that the old man from Kir arc was Rum all along. It made this whole “BO vs Camel” focus way more worth spending time on, and I can only look forward to what’s in store in the actual “main event”.
Well, if one deems all three descriptions being fake a negative, then this is a potential fix.
Yeah, it's like Black Impact or Mystery Train in that way... sure, there was a confrontation, and we did get new info and confirmations, but this was no Rotten Apple, Clash of Red and Black or Scarlet Showdown—the Kōji case didn't come up at all... and many of the important players of this arc weren't even referenced in passing—the Rum arc equivalent of such arc-climactic cases is still to come.
It may be as simple as Rum truly being an old man and counting on assumptions that he'd never show his face to do the work for him... but since the truth of the Kōji case, as well as the truths of Rumi, Hyōe and Tsutomu have all yet to be revealed, it seems unlikely Goshō single out Rum to be the only one without a twist amidst all the revelations and twists that are to come—it seems unlikely he'd play it straight with Rum from now, onwards, and have him being Kanenori as the sole twist.
Given the context of this arc, this must be a major operation to flush out the NOCs within the BO. And who knows? We may also get additional revelations about how Hiromitsu's/Scotch's cover as a NOC was blown, and that event may prove to be key information. After all, given how important Hiromitsu/Scotch is to Rei/Bourbon, how his death ultimately drove the events of the Bourbon arc, and how he was referenced in the very file Rum was first mentioned in as one of the three NOCs that drive the BO's internal perception that they have a spy problem (the motivation behind a big event intended to deal with such an infestation), it doesn't seem likely to me the ASACA song case (954–957/866–867) was the last time we'll see him in DC (and that's saying nothing of how Gosho has him on the brain after working on Wild Police Story). Also, Taka'aki/Kōmei has now been brought into the main plot (and bringing Kansuke and Yui with him, by extension), so we'll need to see just how he's going to factor into this arc's endgame. Maybe how Hiromitsu's/Scotch's cover was blown can give us additional details about Rum's identity and/or the Kōji case.
Well, we now know that Kanenori/Rum is driven to Iroha Sushi by a chauffeur and bodyguard (of course, we don't know if it's every time, some of the time, or if this was a rare exception to how Kanenori/Rum usually arrived). It'd be quite the dramatic irony for Rum, after serving Momiji, to then lounge and sit back in a fancy car as she would, on his way to another service job, of all things. (btw, you mentioned on DCTP that he could potentially have two phones like the butler culprit from 1,009–1,012/952–954... if Muga was Rum, he'd have three—the black phone with a white square (his phone as Kanenori Wakita), the black phone without a white square (his phone as Muga Iori) and a white phone (the phone he used to call Gin and the other BO members in 1,061–1,066)... for comparison, Rei/Bourbon has only one phone, which he uses for both BO and NPA business—a white phone with a black spade).
Muga's debut case (981–983/885–886) served as the perfect chance to survey things, if he is Rum—Momiji won't question why he's hiding his identity, for she sent him there, and she wouldn't want him recognized anymore than he'd want to be recognized... and neither Shinichi/Conan nor Heiji seem to have recognized Momiji's butler to be one in the same as the man with such a lack of presence from the blackout stabbing case at Poirot.
Also, Rum appearing as his true self (appearance-wise) around 80 files into his arc would be consistent (and much faster, actually) than Rei appearing as himself around 170 files into the Bourbon arc.
In terms of avoiding "the butler did it" cliché, in terms of just how fast the titular BO character would be introduced into the arc, and in terms of getting Shūkichi more involved in the main plot, Chikara would be the better choice—being introduced in the first file and case of the arc and having an established and recurring connection with Shūkichi suits him far better for those two aspects than Muga. Other than those two aspects, though? Muga's in the lead, in my book, in terms of there being a 4th suspect (that scene in 898/783 with Agasa deceiving the DBs by pretending one of those four mugs had different contents than the other 3 when it actually didn't, and then Shūichi/Subaru saying such deception is the basis for any mystery trick... one of the ways to explain it is there being a 4th Rum suspect... though it doesn't fit perfectly with the 4th suspect being disguised as one of the three—a better fit for such would be if the DBs had been presented 4 mugs, clearly observed that 2 of the mugs were different (Rumi and Hyōe), but were then tricked into thinking the remaining 2 mugs were different when they were actually the same (Kanenori and the 4th suspect)).
Yeah, and I like how the old man from CoRaB being Rum ties Rum and the Akais further together.
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Apologies for the double post.
1,066 spoilers now out—open the spoiler tab at your own risk, major spoilers inbound.
Translations courtesy of Mera, Emma NY and Kemo (the latter translated info from Arabic site ConanGate).
Spoiler***6 WEEKS BREAK CONFIRMED***
***Wakita is RUM***
- 贝姐把卡梅隆照片给科恩看了，
最后粘上假胡子和假牙的厨子登场
The TL is
"Vermouth showed a photo of Camel to Korn
And at the end of the chapter, the cook (Wakita) appeared without his fake mustache and teeth"
- “wakita came out from a black car,
camel escaped
gins grenade was shot by akai”
- “wakita has a reminiscence panel”
- wakita before disguise: bald
- wakita reminiscence panel looks like dai moroboshi
- wakita reminiscence panel: camel and akai and someone else
- wakita was a shadow in the beginning
- korn flashback: camel and young akai photos
- “the garage old man was in the flashback too, it’s from a third person view”
- “camel shaved his head?”
- it’s a buzzcut
- wakitas ride with two men in black with sunglasses
- “they look like foreigners”
- “camel fell into the ocean”
- “and then gin wanted to get the grenade,
akai shot it after gin threw the grenade,
kirs hat was shot and fell off her head”
- “all shot by akai”
- “wakita has a few panels, but at first he was a shadow”
- "Yukiko Shaved Camel's Hair"
- “mentioned the hat, the hat prob saved his life”
- “conan and akai went straight to home after the job is done”
- wakitas left eye is white
- “camel not hurt”
- and before that was “camel told conan what he heard” (from chianti and vodka’s convo)
- “(camel)got hurt was fake, there was a blood pack on his chest)
- “FBI laughing , camel blushing”
- “camel has thick paper stick to his back, super thick like two dictionaries”
- “the final result of this battle: black side leaked important information about rum, red side gave camel a new haircut”
- “the photo in korns flashback was given to him by rum two years ago,
rum is wakita, it’s confirmed,
gin got a call from rum, and it was wakita who called”
- The Cover is Conan behind Subaru in Akai's Persona
- Camel falls into the ocean in front of the Organization
- Gin tries to use a grenade for a detonation within water
- Akai shoots and hits the grenade directly after Gin throws it
- Akai fires a warning shot between Gin's Legs
- Akai hits Kir's hat and it falls off
- All the BO agents duck/crouch
- The fire department's boats get to the scene and put out the fire
- The Organization takes their loss back on boat
- We see Wakita put on fake hair (originally bald), fake teeth and mustache while accompanied by a body guard and driver.
- Wakita is extremely rich and his car is a Rolls Royce
- All his orders so far have been in the car while he was heading to the restaurant
- Wakita ordered Gin to capture Camel alive, Gin failed"
- Gosho's first drawing of RUM in the file is as a silhouette without detail to the left eye
- Gin angrily grabs the phone Vermouth presents with Camel's picture and shove it in front of Korn who recognizes the Man from the picture RUM sent him 2 years ago.
- Camel was carrying the Copy Machine behind his back, and Chianti shot at it from behind, From the front, the penlight was placed sideways so Akai could get a good shot
- Last page, RUM exits his car and heads for the restaurant after he disguises as Wakita, and he looks at MOURI DETECTIVE AGENCY
Spoiler pic translations:
Rum: That’s so nostalgic....
Gin: Rum!!Chianti: Why did Rum send you a photo?
Korn: I... was watching the warehouse where the appointment took place, but the appointment was canceled, and after that, Rum sent me a message with a photo... saying: Shoot Rye and this FBI agent to death as soon as you see them...“Rum: But the killing of the man who the FBI desperately protected is worthy of Evaluation. I wanted to catch him alive so I can ask him more...
(Flashback, File 607, Page 9)
Camel: It’s dangerous here, don’t stay!
Camel: Ojiisan!We can expect 1,067 spoilers around January 15th.
UPDATE:
1,066 spoiler pics (again, major spoilers, so don't click the link unless you're prepared):
On 12/1/2020 at 1:36 AM, Balthazar Manfredie said:are things finally moving to an end
Well...
SpoilerAndre's not dead, but we finally know who Rum is.
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A new release date has finally been announced—April 16th, 2021!
And courtesy of Kemo, here's a message accompanying the announcement from Conan's voice actress, Minami Takayama:
"Thank you for your patience! We appreciate it! We are pleased to announce the release of our latest film.
For the first time in 24 years, we have postponed the release of the film... and to be honest, it has taken a huge toll on us.
However, I was determined to wait for the dangerous wave to pass with those of you who look forward to it every year, so I was able to change my mind.
I haven't seen the finished film yet, so I'm hoping to build up my excitement for the release of the film again from here.
A year of waiting is a long time, but compared to the time I had to declare my girlfriend with Ran... lol.
The Scarlet Bullet RELOAD begins!
Takayama Minami" -
Well...
SpoilerIt probably won't stick, but File 1,065 is the closest we've come to the death of an important recurring character in a while.
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Apologies for the double post.
Here's a full translation of 1,065 (but be advised—this translation is from Arabic to English, so there may be more errors/mistranslations than there would be in a Japanese to English translation):
SpoilerFile 1,065
Hunter & Prey
Page 2
Chianti: Shit!
Chianti: He's nowhere to be found!
Chianti: Did he escape from this island!?
Korn: I am also... starting to feel that way...
Kir: That is possible...
Kir: The distance between the Island and Yokosuka beach is 1.2 KM, an appropriate distance for him to swim away.
Vermouth: No, if he intended to escape...
Vermouth: Then he wouldn't have buried the evidence of the fire he lit in the sand on the beach.
Vermouth: If he intended to tell us that he was here, then it would be better to keep the fire lit...
Vermouth: In order to get our attention to focus on the fire instead of the sea, giving him enough time to escape...
Vodka: Then... why didn't he do that?
Gin: Because he can't escape yet!
Gin: Because he expended a lot of energy to get here, he is tired now.
Page 3
Gin: Putting aside the time it would take to do that, even if he tries to escape through the water, we could spot him using our Yacht.
Gin: In short, the Breathless FBI Agent won't find a way out!
Vodka: That's true...
Subaru: Camel...
Subaru: Did you get the thing that I referred to?
Camel: Y-Yes...
Camel: I have entered the Island's Cafe...
Page 4
Camel: I have acquired three sackcloths previously used to store coffee...
Camel: One of the sacks was full so I emptied it... and from the tourist guide office in the cafe I took tape and a scalpel knife...
Subaru: If it really is a cafe... it should have a few straws around. Take one.
Camel: R-Roger...
Camel: But seriously, why am I taking these things?
Camel: They are necessary to allow you to blend in with nature better.
Conan: Can you tell me what things Camel-san has on him at the moment?
Camel: I don't have anything that valuable on me to be honest... a small pen-shaped torch, My FBI ID, a cellphone whose GPS doesn't work anymore and wireless earphones...
Camel: Ah...
Camel: Right...
Page 5
Camel: I also have the flatcap Akai-san gave me before I left...
Camel: I kept it rather than getting rid of it...
Camel: Because I felt like I had to return it...
Conan: Is it possible that...
Subaru: Just like my knitted cap... it too is one of Professor Agasa's creations!
Subaru: Well done, Camel!
Subaru: This could be your winning card...
Camel: T-This is my winning card?!
*door opens*
Chianti: I already told you that there's no way he'd hide in a place where we could find him easily!
Vodka: Let's check it out just in case.
Camel: T-they got to the cafe...
Subaru: Did you secure the route for your escape?
Camel: Yes...
Subaru: Then get away from there at once, the camper's suit attracts attention indoors!
Camel (internal monologue): Roger...
Vodka: But RUM surprises me every time...
Page 6
Vodka: The way he just jumped into our conversation and gave us orders that were all right on the mark…
Chianti: "He?" Don’t tell me you’ve actually seen Rum’s face?
Camel (internal monologue): Huh?
Vodka: It’s the impression he gives off. There’s all sorts of rumors about him, saying it’s a giant of a man, an effeminate man, an old man, or that he has a artificial eye…
Vodka: But according to Gin...
Vodka: The only true part of that is the artificial eye. The rest was basically all false information spread by Rum himself to protect his identity.
Chianti: So Gin has met Rum?
Vodka: Yeah.
Vodka: He also knows where he is and what he’s doing.
Chianti: Wow, so where is Rum and what’s he doing?
Subaru: Have you moved, Camel?
Camel: Ah, no, right now it’s kinda…
Vodka: That I haven’t heard, but according to Gin...
Vodka: He changed his face…
Vodka: And took on a silly name…
Camel: Silly...
Camel: Name...
*Crunch*
Page 7
Vodka & Chianti: !?
Camel (internal monologue): Shit!
Vodka: Bastard!
*Shot*
*Shot*
Chianti: Shit!
*Shot*
Chianti: He escaped through the backdoor!
*Shot*
*Shot*
Vodka: You think you can run!?
*Slip*
*Thud*
Vodka: Shit!
Page 8
Chianti: What's this, a large volume of black beans scattered on the floor!?
Vodka: Beans...
Vodka: Coffee beans?
Subaru: I understand...
Subaru: Thanks to you scattering the coffee beans on the floor, you were able to escape their attack...
Camel: T-to be honest, these were the coffee beans that accidentally fell and scattered when I was opening the sack...
Camel: Now, what do I do with this sack?
Subaru: First cut the sacks from the inside so that both ends are open...
Subaru: Then connect each open end to an open end from another sack using the tape to create a something like a long open tube and then place it in any random trench you find in the forest...
Subaru: Place as many leaves, branches and as much soil as you can on every sack so that it becomes camouflaged...
Subaru: Then get into the sacks and, finally, cut an opening for the straw to allow you to breathe.
Page 9
Conan: It's the Ground Technique, right!?
Subaru: Yes...
Subaru: You can hide while maintaining your body temperature....
Subaru: Could you do that, Camel?
Camel: Somehow, yes...
Gin: Are you telling me you slipped because of coffee beans!?
Vodka: Yeah...
Vodka: I didn't expect him to set up a trap like this...
Gin: ......
Gin: No... it isn't a trap...
Gin: If the sacks are missing... then he is planning to hide in the ground...
Gin: Did you hear that!? Let's search every inch before sunrise and fully corner him!
RUM: Wait...
RUM: There is a better way!
Page 10
Jodie: He hid inside the sacks?
Jodie: Just like a ninja!
Subaru: Yes... looking everywhere on the Island would consume a lot of time...
Subaru: There are two hours left until the island workers show up...
Subaru: If he could hold on till then...
Subaru: Then Camel will survive!
*FBI cheering*
Jodie: Contact us when there are new updates...
Subaru: Roger.
Yusaku: ......
Yukiko: What's wrong, Yusaku?
Yusaku: I'm just thinking about...
Yusaku: What I would do if I was in their place...
Page 11
Subaru: Do you hear me, Camel?
Subaru: We Just arrived at Namikaze Park, which gives us a view of the Island.
Subaru: Is everything alright on your end!?
Camel: Y-yes...
Camel: The situation is good underground...
Camel: So good that I am starting to feel a little hot...
Subaru: H-hot?!
Conan: A-Akai-san!!
Subaru: !?
Page 12
Conan: The island...
Subaru: ...is on fire!
Subaru: Get out from the ground immediately, Camel!
Camel: W-What?!
Subaru: You'll burn to death!
Conan: Akai-san...
Conan: There is no way other than using that!
Camel: Oh my god...
Camel: When did this fire...?!
Subaru: Do you still have the tape and scalpel knife that you found in the tourist guide office?!
Camel: Y-yes...
Subaru: Was there a printer?!
Camel: Yes... I think there was one...
Page 13
Vermouth: Even though it's a dry season, it's burning too fast!
Kir: We have to hurry, fire-boats from the fire department will be here soon...
*Camel drops down behind Vermouth, Kir and Chianti*
Chianti: He's here... he's heading for escape towards the shore!
*Shot*
Korn: He really came out...
Vodka: Just as RUM said...
Gin: Don't praise him every time!
*Open gate*
*Close gate*
Page 14
Gin: Heh...
Gin: Do you think you created a barrier between yourself and us like that!?
Gin: If you calmly/peacefully come with us...
Gin: I'll kill you without letting you suffer...
Camel: A-Akai-san!
Subaru: Wait, Camel....
Page 15
Subaru: Come a little closer...
Subaru: The wind's direction is from the left...
Conan: Add one degree...
Conan: Distance to target is 1334.2 yards...
Subaru: Ok, Camel...
Subaru: RUN!
Vodka: He's escaping!
Chianti: I'm gonna shoot!
Kir: As usual, to the head...
Gin: No...
Gin: From the back, shoot his heart!
Kir (internal monologue): What?
Chianti: With pleasure!
*Shot*
Page 16:
*Impact*
Camel: Ugh...
Side Note: The piercing bullet of treachery!
To be continued next SS double issue, next week... -
1,065 spoiler pics now out:
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7115689550?pn=1
Here are text spoilers, courtesy of BK 201, Mera, NightBaron and CG:
Spoiler"Akai lies in an ambush to snipe, and Camel gets shot"
"False information was leaked on purpose by RUM themselves"
"Camel heard this too"
The 3 different descriptions about Rum are all spread by Rum themselves to protect themselves
But the prosthetic eye thing is true
Gin also says that he knows Rum’s location and what they’re doing
- The cover is Conan on the lookout on the fence.
- The organization is looking for Camel who is hiding inside a hut while observing them.
- Chianti and Vodka find Camel and Fire at him.
- Camel hides again under fallen tree leaves.
- The Island catches on Fire.
- Camel tries to escape but he becomes exposed to the organization.
- Akai tries to snipe and Conan has binoculars.
- Chianti Hits Camel with a Lethal Shot. (assumption based on the fact the bullet hit the right area of the chest)
- Camel's injury is serious and there is a lot of blood leaving his chest area from both ends, there was enough blood to suggest his lungs exploded, but the major danger is that his mouth also had blood.
- The Camel Scene is horrific and according to what we see, it's a lethal shot, except if Gosho wants to create some action. But as a medical note, if blood leaves through the mouth, Then the amount of damage and tear in the chest area is dangerous specially the stopping of the respiratory system
1066 will be resolution
And here are spoiler pic translations, with imgur link courtesy of Nike1421:
SpoilerCamel (internal monologue): Roger...
Vodka: But Rum really surprised me…
Vodka: The way he just jumped into our conversation and gave us orders that were all right on the mark…
Chianti: He? Don’t tell me you’ve actually seen Rum’s face?
Camel (internal monologue): Huh?
Vodka: It’s the impression he gives off... There’s all sorts of rumors about him, saying it’s a giant of a man, an effeminate man, an old man, or that he has a artificial eye…
Vodka: But according to Gin...
Vodka: The only true part of that is the artificial eye. The rest was basically all false information spread by Rum himself to protect his identity.
Chianti: So Gin has met Rum?
Vodka: Yeah...
Vodka: He also knows where he is and what he’s doing...
Chianti: Wow. So where is Rum and what’s he doing?
Akai: Have you moved, Camel?
Camel: Ah, no, right now it’s kinda…
Vodka: That I haven’t heard. [Gin just said (so)]*
Vodka: He changed his face…
Vodka: And took on a silly name…
Camel: I also still have the hunting cap that Akai gave me…
Camel: before I headed out!
Camel: I thought I should really return it afterwards.
Conan: Could it be that that—
Akai: Yes, it’s an invention by professor Agasa...
Akai: Just like my knitted hat!
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Apologies for the double post.
1,064 spoiler pics are now out:
And here are text spoilers, courtesy of Mera Sasumi, Holmes, Kemo, Night Baron, Spimer and Nay.
Spoiler"Gin is determined to catch Camel, but Akai-san changed his outfit (disguised) as Subaru to rescue him"
"Conan also tags along with him, in the front passenger seat"The Cover is Conan with "Commando Face Paint" which relates to the Last page
Camel Continues Swimming until he reaches a hiding spot on a nearby island and starts lighting a fire and drying his clothing
Gin notices an island during driving
Gin and the team move towards the island on a ship and surround camel.
Gin follows camel's footsteps.
The BO starts by splitting tasks and spreading across the island to find camel
Akai and Conan move towards the island to help camel
Camel appears in the end of the file hiding between Trees while the BO head for him."Kir: When I’m told to "shoot", sorry, but I’ll aim for the face...
Kir: Because it seems there’s a member who remembers Agent Camel’s face, after all...
Kir: You don’t have a problem with that, right?"She's warning Akai that she will have to shoot camel in the head if she's ordered to shoot again
To make recognition hard"[/spoiler]SpoilerJames: But, Akai-kun, if they notice you there...
Subaru: Of course...Subaru: I'll use this face!
Yukiko: It's now completely waterproof, strong against rain and wind!Yukiko: I specially made you more good looking than usual
Subaru: -bubble incomplete-
Conan: It feels strange to hear Akai-san's voice coming from Subaru-san's face!
Subaru: Well then...
Subaru: I'll switch to this voice.
sfx: pip
Camel: -bubble incomplete-
Camel: Well, I felt really awful when I arrived at this island,
Camel: But now, the sea breeze feels nice!
Subaru: The sea breeze... Are you on a shore?Gin: Let's spread and search!
Everyone: Roger!Kir: I'm sorry, but...
Kir: The next time I'm told to shoot, I'll aim at the face.
Kir: Because it seems there's a member of the organization who remembers Agent Camel's face.
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On 10/31/2020 at 3:22 AM, Rye said:I really can't help but suspect Iori Muga as RUM. Just a shot in the dark with the recent manga developments and RUM's eye for detail regarding the character usage (Hepburn/Hebon-shiki vs Kunrei-shiki romanization). Iori also seems to be into the Ogura Hyakunin Isshu (I'm guessing!) what with Momiji's engagements with karuta, so he might be keen on language use? It might be a long shot but it made sense in my head last night when I was mulling it over before heading to bed hehe. I'm also considering the possibility that the RUM codename may have been passed over, as well. My other suspect for RUM would be Kanenori.
Yeah, in terms of "Rum is someone other than the 3 main suspects", he's still at the top of the list.
Kanenori being Rum makes sense, as far as occam's razor explanations go—in such a scenario, Rum would be doing what Bourbon did last arc, in a very simple reuse (becoming Kogorō's apprentice and working right next to the Mōri Detective Agency).
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On 10/25/2020 at 7:19 PM, LaJota said:I dont know if its only me, but sometimes when i reading im thinking "Im reading because i want to reach the end" more than enjoying...
Expectation gets naturally generated by length, so by the time we do reach the end, that's going to be quite a bit of expectation. At the very least, you might be curious about how close (or not) the end of the series gets to meeting the years to decades of expectation... but, to boil it down, are you alright with waiting for an end that likely will disappoint you or underwhelm you? (and the odds of it doing so increasing again and again as more weeks/months/years go by) Was the journey of DC good enough (and/or it's high points, the peak of its quality) to justify waiting for an ending that's below the peak in quality of the series, below the potential of what it can achieve?
On 10/26/2020 at 3:21 AM, AnimeOtakuDrew said:I love this series, and I've enjoyed the recent trend Aoyama-sensei has gotten into where every case gives the reader at least one clue or piece of information that relates to the mystery of overall story. However, I must agree that the pacing was atrocious before he started this pattern. There were way too many filler cases that contributed nothing whatsoever to the main story; a little filler here and there is fine, but when 75% of what you're publishing in the series is filler, that's a bit much. My hope is that, after the five or six cases we had where each case dropped a plot hint for us, and now a case that directly relates to the Black Organization and the overall story, Aoyama-sensei will maintain his current pace so we'll get through the rest of the Rum Arc without any more filler. As for the direction the story has taken (when there is actually development of the story), I'm still largely enjoying it, but there are a few points I've struggled with and am concerned about moving forward. I too wish that I could have a sit-down with Aoyama-sensei, one writer to another, and have a nice chat about narrative flow, audience expectations (and when to subvert them), changing the status quo at times to keep things fresh, and things like that. I have the utmost respect for him, but it seems like there are a few areas that Aoyama-sensei struggles with (if he somehow reads this, please know that there is absolutely no sleight meant by this; we all have areas that we have difficulties with; it doesn't make him any less amazing).
Indeed, I've been having a good experience with that, as well.
And even higher if we're talking about only BO-centric cases.
Although, for me, filler would mean a case that I get absolutely nothing out of. I can only speak for myself, but I can't think of a manga case (at least since the File 1,000 case back in late 2017) that led to a reaction of, "well, that was an utter waste of time with no redeeming value(s)", from me. I think those who just aren't as invested in the characters (either as they used to be or at all) have more cause to label more cases as filler, and anticipate the BO moments as that rare consistency to look forward to (though that's for those who think the quality of even those hasn't gone down or hasn't gone down that much). Though that doesn't address those who label the state of affairs as 75% filler despite describing themselves as invested in the characters.
Any specifics?
For me, Hidemi/Rena/Kir being absent for so long would be one such point.
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46 minutes ago, Balthazar Manfredie said:amen to that
any news when it will end
I'm afraid all I have for you is speculation, so take it as you will (if at all).
For the Rum arc to end (relatively) soon—and by that, with this release schedule, it'll be in terms of months at least, certainly not weeks—we would need to be in a Clash of Red and Black situation right now, where even with multiple cases, the main conflict remains the same for each of them... ideally, this would end with the Kudōs, the FBI, the NPA finally unveiling and executing the plan they discussed back in File 1,012/Episode 954, and Rum's identity being revealed.
It's a shame, I don't think we're going to be that fortunate in terms of getting there quick—it likely isn't going to take only 2-3 cases after this one for Rum's identity to be revealed and for the Plan/Gambit pileup to come about and then reach a climax. Gosho will likely segment things as he's typically done, taking those 2-3 cases and putting 2-3 cases inbetween them. While this can lead to focus neat details and buildup, it slows things down—those who experience the series after us can just go "binge, binge, binge" and get the full package nice and quick, but for us? That's quite the ask of your fans to wait, and if they don't care for what's being focused on or are feeling the fatigue caused by the combo of length and repetition, you're going to get some bailing out, thus leaving fans like me to give massive caveats for them so they don't waste their time and instead focus on series that don't have these stumbling blocks.
If you had to ask me for a year count, I'd say... 1 year minimum, and 3 years maximum, and that's just for the Rum arc to end. If we jump right into the "Boss/Anokata" arc after that, you can have a smidge more of hope than usual. Who knows if he'll stick with this new 7 years per arc thing for it, too? Maybe it'll be shorter, a Clash of Red and Black-like arc unto itself... but in all probability, that's just wishful thinking.
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1 hour ago, LaJota said:What you mean with "narrative and pacing"? Can u give some examples? I agree with you with the direction the series took after Kir introduction.
My opinion on the series is nowhere near as harsh as some—after all, I'm still invested in the characters and what's going to happen, even after all this slow pacing.
Well, the pacing is self-explanatory. The Bourbon arc took nearly seven years to complete, and it seems the Rum arc is going to beat even it out, in terms of length. Look at Kir—her appearance in this case is her first appearance since August 2009 (File 704).
As for the narrative, it suffers due to the pacing—the longer it takes between BO cases, it decreases focus and leaves the readers languishing. What was once a more tight and compact narrative has been diffused and spread out more and more as Shinichi/Conan has found himself facing problems caused by people who should be his allies against the BO (Rei/Bourbon for the Bourbon arc, and Mary for the Rum arc). It leaves fans wondering if Shinichi/Conan and the BO are actually going to face off against each other, and even if there is going to be impact and/or resolution with even these longed-for BO cases.
Just now, Balthazar Manfredie said:i wish gosho well, but he dragged this thing for way too long
i give naruto proops for knowing its way
dc should have known as well
Well, once the series is over, at least we can start giving out series read/watch order guides so newcomers can have a better experience without the years of uncertainty and lag.
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5 hours ago, Balthazar Manfredie said:thanks
i come sometimes
shame that the monga has fallen from grace
The quality, huh?
The longer delays between files is better than Goshō making his health worse, but if you've got issues with the quality, I can't help you with that.
I wish I could just ask Goshō questions about narrative, pacing, etc., so veteran fans (who don't approve of the direction this series has taken this past decade) could at least have an answer as to why he's executed things like this (that isn't a generic answer like, "he's lazy because success and money", because an answer like that just isn't interesting to me).
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57 minutes ago, Balthazar Manfredie said:why so many breaks
Hey, welcome back.
Indeed, things haven't changed much.
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Apologies for the double post.
Spoilers for 1,063 are now out—here is a chapter summary, translations courtesy of Sonokovid-Naughtyteen:
Spoiler"The whole chapter is a car chase drama.
Gin and the others chase Camel after Camel's arm was injured by Kir.
Then Camel rushed off of the bridge, and fell into the river. Korn spoke to Kir as if he saw Camel somewhere before.
Gin said to the others they should check if Camel died, but Camel had taken Conan's advice into consideration, and dived down to go to another region underwater.
At the end of the chapter, there's a shot of Yusaku and Conan, and Yusaku says, it seems I underestimated this Organization a bit".
And here are spoiler pics...
...And translations, courtesy of Spimer:
SpoilerPic 1
Jodie: The code I wrote let the organization notice it was a trap we'd set up?
Yusaku: Probably so...
Yusaku: You, Agent Jodie, used the Kunrei-shiki system for the code... This system prioritizes the regularity in spelling and is taught at elementary schools...
Yusaku: Your friend, the elementary school teacher, taught you this system, yes?
Jodie: Y-yes... But where did I make a mistake?
Pic 2
Conan: You should've written it as "KADEFU"...
Conan: But you wrote it as "KADEHU"!
Jodie: N-no way!
James: And that's why the organization was suspicious, huh?
James: Felt it was a trap and... (rest is cut off)
Jodie: I'm sorry, it's my fault...
James: You're not the only one at fault!
Akai: We checked the text but didn't notice that, either...
Conan: It's the romaji for "ふ"!
Jodie: Huh?
Conan: Using Kunrei-shiki system, "ふ" is written as "HU", as you did, but...
Conan: But the other codes used the Hebon-shiki system, so it was written as "FU"! Furuito, used in the other code, was spelled "FURUITO", for example!
Pic 3
Camel: I'll leave Mark at Ootaru Street...
Camel: Please retrieve him afterwards!
Pic 4
Gin: Kir, Vermouth! Go to Umibotaru!
Gin: Go there from Chiba and cut his escape!
Vermouth: OK!
Note: Umibotaru is based on the Umihotaru artificial island and underwater tunnel in the Tokyo BayPic 5 (Page 11)
(No text; With Vermouth's bike, she and Kir are pursuing Camel's car—they pull in front of him and Kir shoots Camel through the car window)
Pic 6 (Page 12)
(Camel's car crashes through the bridge's guardrails—Chianti's Viper and Gin's Porsche come to a halt)
Pic 7 (Page 12)
Chianti: Hah! Have at you, FBI guy!Vermouth: ......
Korn: Say, that man...
Korn: I feel like I've seen him before...
Kir: Really? Korn...
Korn: Yeah...
Korn: If I see his face again, I'll remember where...Pic 8 (Page 13)
Kir: Oh, yes?
Gin: Talk about interesting...
Gin: Then let's search for that FBI's man corpse at once...Pic 9 (Page 15)
Camel: I-if I do that, I'll run out of air, and...
Conan: Go until you have 20cm left of air!
Akai: I see...
Akai: Do as he says! 20cm!
Camel: Ah, but... I went under 20cm already!
Pic 10 (Page 16)
James: But rescuing him when the organization is surrounding them is going to very hard...
Akai: Yes...
James: We should've indeed listened to Yusaku-san's opinion...
Yusaku: No... Whether I'd noticed about the Hebon-shiki or Kunren-shiki...
Yusaku: But that means they have someone amongst them who saw through that at once...Pic 11 (Page 16)
Yusaku: It'd seem that we...
Yusaku: Have slightly underestimated the organization...4 week break upcoming—we can expect 1,064 spoilers around November 20th.
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1,062 spoiler pics now out:
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7007357681
Here are translations of the pics, courtesy of Spimer:
SpoilerPic 1:
???: Listen to what I have to say...
Chianti: T...
Chianti: This voice, it's...!?
Pic 2:
Vodka: They're changing their voice with a machine...
Kir: There's no doubt about it...
Vermouth: The organization's (our) No. 2...
Pic 3:
Gin: RUM!
Pic 4:
Vermouth: Location is Kadehu 1-4 city parking, in 1 hour's time...
You can get there in less then 30 mins in your car, Chianti...
Chianti: So 10 minutes will be more than enough!
Vermouth: I'll head there with Kir, so...
Vermouth: Gin and Vodka, do as always....
Pic 5:
Chianti: (giggles)
Chianti: Those FBI guys are shuddering in fear!
Korn: Just like RUM said...
Chianti: Trying to play a trap on us? It's out of your league!
Pic 6:
Akai: Wait, Camel!
Akai: Don't get out yet!
Pic 7:
Man: (groans)
Man: (screams)
Pic 8:
Gin: The target is fleeing towards the south...
Conan: (cut off)
Conan: Lure out the organization... (cut off)
Pic 9:
Yusaku: Given how they refer to you as a teacher, did you work as a teacher before?
Jodie: Yes... As an English teacher at Teitan High School...
Pic 10:
Yusaku: Is it an elementary school teacher?
Jodie: Y-yes, one of my friends is an elementary school teacher named Shibuya Natsuko...
Pic 11:
Yusaku: Did she teach you many things?
Jodie: Yes... Apart from Japanese... Kanji, hiragana, relationship between letters... She taught me most of it...
Pic 12:
Yusaku: I see..
Conan: So...
Conan: So that was it!?
Note: Offense and defense turn over again... What have the Kudo father and son seen through!?
With more spoiler pics come more translations, once again courtesy of Spimer:
SpoilerPage 3
Conan: The one at the right, when seen from the front, is the original cipher message...
Conan: And the one to the left is one with the characters horizontally flipped!
Conan: This alone doesn't tell anything, but...
Conan: Even if you flip them, you realize some spots can be read as numbers or Alphabet letters...
Conan: And if you look at this oddly displaced dot...
Conan: You would think that the lower half of the text is flipped!
Conan: So if you take the flipped one...
Conan: And cut off the lower half, including the horizontal bar...
Conan: To then glue it over...
Conan: The original one...
Conan: See!
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Mark: Let me take that role.
Mark: If I do nothing, my brother won't be able to rest in peace!
Black: Ah, so you're Mark, the younger brother of Tony, who was killed...
Black: Acting out of a personal grudge isn't really a good idea, but well...
Camel: Then how about I take the remaining spot?
Camel: If push comes to shove, I can shake them off with my driving skills!
Mark: Camel! Akai: If you're going, you should put on a hat.
Camel: I-I'll pass...
Camel: It doesn't really suit me.
Akai: Did you forget?
Akai: You were the one driving the car that held CIA agent Mizunashi Rena who is currently infiltrating the organization...
Akai: They think you died in the explosion during her retrieval...
Akai: If anyone among them remembers what you look like and they find out that you're still alive, she will most certainly be killed...
Akai: Both you and I are not supposed to exist in this this world...
Akai: Never forget that...
Camel: Got it!
And here are a few more details about the events of the file, translation courtesy of Spimer:
SpoilerFILE1062
Corner of tricks
The code was made by Jim and Chen, who'd volunteered to go to the meeting spot
They argued that it shouldn't be that easy to solve and they wanted to check (what was going on), so they headed despite many attempts to dissuade them
Akai says that if they'd seen how Conan easily solved it they wouldn't have been so reckless
James suggests to make a new code at once but Camel suggests using it to lure out (the BO)
James would prefer to wait for Yusaku to come back and hear his opinion, but since the deaths of Jim and Chen aren't in the news they must think the FBI doesn't know and it's favorable for them
Jodie thought of a code since she knew how to do it
The BO receives a transmission from RUM, who has changed the voice, as they are being led to the ambush location Jodie made up
Since no-one seems to show up at the location, Chianti and Korn, looking out through their rifles, shoot down the agents on the outside that were on the lookout
Camel and Mark pull out and Mark is hurt when Gin, ambushing them, snipes them, but the car keeps on running away so Gin tells the snipers its location and orders for it to be traced
Yusaku, who'd gone out shopping with Yukiko, comes back and checks the code after he's told about the situation -
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The first case of the triple digit volume era!
in a technical sense, it was last case... but that one began in Volume 99 and ended in Volume 100, whereas this one will begin in Volume 100Spoiler pics are now out:
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/6994241163
And here are translations, courtesy of Mera and Spimer (with additional props to Mycroft and BK 201):
SpoilerOverall Summary (Mera)
"At the beginning of the chapter, Gin and Vodka found a foreigner, Vodka gave the foreigner a FBI ID to check, and then we see the muzzle of Gin gun and SHOT, that happened while Conan, Haibara and DB just passed by
Conan hurried to check, and he used his glasses to zoom, and he saw Vodka on a roof (upstairs) and the same classic BO crew, then Conan go back to Kudo's home to tell the FBI about what he saw"
As per leaks, James Black is in Conan's house (Kudo's house)
Panel by Panel translations (Spimer)
Pic 1:
Mitsuhiko: Whoa!
Mitsuhiko: It seems they found two today, too...
Mitsuhiko: Two dead unidentified foreigners...
Pic 2:
Ayumi: It feels scary...
Genta: Yeah... There were also two dead yesterday, right?
Mitsuhiko: But I wonder why more unidentified people died today, too?
Pic 3:
Man: I...
Man: So you finally came...
Pic 4:
Vodka: Sorry...
Vodka: But Tony ain't coming anymore...
Man: Shit!
Pic 5:
Gin: Do you intend to confess...
Gin: Where your hideout is at?
Gin: I see. You don't, huh?
Gin: Then we don't need you anymore...
Pic 6:
Ayumi (text obscured): A huge sound!
Pic 7:
Conan: Using the glasses' telescope function...
Pic 8:
Vodka: Sheesh!
Vodka: Guess he didn't want to end up like his pal, but...
Gin: Did he think he could fly?
Pic 9:
Genta: Why can't we see it?
Ayumi: I wanna see, too!
Mitsuhiko: That's unfair, Conan-kun!
Haibara: Just do as he says!
Chianti: A kid! A kid wearing a hoodie is coming close to the body!
Korn: I can shoot...
Chianti: Do we do it?
Pic 10:
Kir: There's 3 more onlookers!
Man (right): Whoa! Someone's dead!?
Woman: No way!
Man (left): Let's call the police for now!
Pic 11:
Conan: Shit!
Conan: What's going on!?
Conan: Akai-san's line is busy the whole time...
Conan: And neither Mom or Dad answer the phone either!!
Pic 12:
Conan: Don't tell me that they...
Conan: Are in my house!?
Conan: I hear unfamiliar voices!
Pic 13:
Jodie: Oh, hi, Cool Kid!
Jodie: You came as well?
Pic 14:
James: It all began 3 days ago...
James: An investigator named Aaron went missing while trailing one of the organization members and the next day his body was found... And both two days ago and yesterday and today the organization ambushed meeting places...
Jodie: We use a cipher for the meetings, but...
Jodie: So we think that maybe Aaron may have confessed how to decode the cipher...
Jodie: Hence why we're hiding here, in the Kudō house, for now!
Pic 15:
Akai: Knowing them, rather than demanding how to decipher the ciphers, they would demand the hotel's location...
Akai: If they want to get rid of us FBI in one shot, it's more logical to attack their base of operations...
Camel: Y-you're right...
James: That asides, have Jim and Cheng, who volunteered to go to the cipher's meeting place, contacted you yet?
Jodie: Not yet...
Conan: As for that Agent Jim...
Pic 16:
Conan: He just fell from an abandoned building and died...
Conan: Vodka was in the rooftop so he might have been pushed out of it, but...
Pic 17:
All: HUH!?
Conan: I happened to be at scene... So I came to tell Akai-san about that!
James: But if they don't know how to decode those complicated ciphers...
James: How could they ambush us?
Conan: Wouldn't they have hacked into the cipher emails and simply decoded them?
Pic 18:
Conan: Because that cipher...
Conan: It contained the meeting address, location, the day and the phone number, so...
Pic 19:
Several: Huh?
To be continued in Issue#46
SpoilerYep, Hidemi/Rena/Kir actually appears and speaks (not a background character shot) for the first time since August 2009 (File 704)!
No break next week—we can expect 1,062 spoilers at this time next week.
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1,060 spoiler pics now out:
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/6896887252
SpoilerSpecifically, in the three spoiler pics we've got, we have two of them showing Vermouth (her clothes imply she was the one watching Shinichi/Conan and Yukiko in 1,058, not Kid) striding up to Gin and Vodka in the Porsche, and Gin says, "You’re late, aren’t you..."
And in the other, we see both Shūichi with an earpiece and a smiling Yusaku looking at a dumbfounded Shinichi/Conan.
And courtesy of Fujiwara, here's are some Chinese spoiler summaries:
"FBI is stationed in the Kudou house, Conan is dumbfounded, afterwards Yuusaku and Akai say “The BO is going to make a big move”Some asks: is James there?
Leaker: I didn’t see him. But I saw Jodie and red vodka (probably Camel?) and a couple of unknown FBI peeps
Q: where is Kid?
Leaker: [not sure about this one, something about Megure speaking and Kid being in Shibuya idek ]Also, Yuukiko and Yuusaku weren’t poisoned, they realized that something was wrong with the food from the start.
Yuukiko whispers to Conan: “after all, shin-chan seems to be vermouth’s favorite”"DC will be on break until October—we can expect spoiler pics for 1,061 in about 7 weeks.
UPDATE:
The last six pages of 1,060 have come out:https://tieba.baidu.com/p/6897756059
UPDATE (#2):
And here are translations of those pages, courtesy of Night Baron:
SpoilerPage 11
Megure mentions that Kid was sighted in Shibuya at the same time, and Conan realizes that "Yusaku" is not Kid.Page 12
Gin: Took you long enough...
Gin: Vermouth!!
Vermouth: Sorry...
Vermouth: I was doing some minor business that Rum ordered me to do...
Vermouth: A person that might become a threat to the organization was staying in Japan for some reason this night, so he wanted me to investigate that...Page 13
Vodka: And how did...
Vodka: ...that go?
Vermouth: It was such a letdown... I can destroy them any time I want...
Gin: You won’t kill them?
Vermouth: Yeah...
Vermouth: For now...
Vermouth: But when it’s necessary...
Vermouth: I will at any time...
Conan: Oi?!
Conan: This is not the time for sleeping!!
Conan: There’s a high chance Vermouth was here...
Conan: ...until a while ago!!
Conan: She might as well...
Conan: ...be the reason behind your sickness...Page 14
Conan: A...
Conan: ...Akai-san?!
Conan: And Dad and Mom too...?!
Conan: Why?!
Akai: Jodie, Camel...
Akai: How’s the situation?Page 15
Jodie: Nothing like a listening device or a hidden camera in the study as it seems...
Camel: The other rooms as well are clear!
Jodie: As expected of a Plan devised by a best-selling author!
Camel: Looks like they were completely fooled!
Akai: We still can’t let our guard down...
Conan: F-fooled..?
Yukiko: When I told Yusaku that we’re being monitored by someone, he told me, let’s act conspicuously and see how will they act...
Yusaku: ...and right after that we saw a suspicious leaflet for an Italian restaurant in the mailbox, we went there...
Yusaku: ...and sure enough the taste of the food was off, so when I checked it up afterwards, I found out that Distigmine bromide was mixed with it...
Conan: Then you didn’t eat, right?
Yukiko: Yeah... we just pretended to eat it and put in my bag, and thanks to that my favorite bag became sloppy...
Yusaku: When Distigmine bromide is ingested, it’s followed by symptoms similar to the ones of food poisoning...
Yusaku: Which are : nausea•( can’t make out the kanji for this one )•stomach ache, diarrhea•sweating...
Yusaku: So I feigned said symptoms, enticed their comrade...
Yusaku: to show them that we are utterly unguarded and have nothing suspicious whatsoever!
Conan: If that’s the case you could’ve just told me beforehand...Page 16
Yusaku: To fool your enemy, you must first fool your friends!
Conan: .....
Yukiko: Plus, you’re Sharon’s favorite Shin-chan as it seems...
Akai: We managed to prevent this place from getting attacked by them for now...
Yusaku: Yeah, all that’s left is to get prepared...
Yusaku: For their big move...Sidenote: The opening act is over. The show begins now.
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[SPOILER DISCUSSION] File 1,067–File 1,069: Waiting for an Amulet of Love and Fortune
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1,068 spoiler pics now out:
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7210323980?pn=1
And a text summary, translation courtesy of Kemo:
-The file cover is Conan standing alone in an empty "square" in front of a large flag, observing it. (The flag was the murder weapon)
- Takagi is talking and has a mental visualization of how the culprit could have killed the victim. The culprit hit the victim with the flag pole on the head and then ran away with the pole.
- Sato handcuffs herself to a lamp-post (handcuffing both her hands and using a wire to tie herself to the lamp-post) to exhibit the trick that "Shamoto" (one of the suspects) preformed, where she was previously handcuffed by the victim but managed to get them off.
- The suspect (Kawano?) says that he witnessed the victim chasing after Shimoto after Heiji irritated him, Sato intruded and gave Kawano a cautionary hit
- The third suspect, Genai, tries to flirt with Sato.
- Conan and Heiji spot strange dirty areas on the bottom of his pants.
- Shimoto says that Genai has motive to commit the crime.
- Kawano accuses Shimoto of not having an alibi.
- There is tension between Shimoto and Genai.
- The victim's body has been transported away from the crime scene.
- While Conan and Heiji check out the crime scene, Ran and Kazuha play around with the snowmen until one of it's eyes falls out. Sato picks it up and tries to return it to the snowman, but she loses her balance and Takagi helps her... at this point, Conan and Heiji realize the culprit's trick.
- Conan and Heiji happily look at each other having finally cracked the case; Ran stares at Heiji intensely and in the Last panel considers that he is indeed Heiji.
- 1069 will be the resolution.
No break next week—we can expect 1,069 spoilers around February 5th.