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BOBO: /* About Baijiu/Baiganr/Paikaru */

2025-02-08T12:37:44Z

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2025-02-08T06:28:42Z

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2025-02-08T00:54:36Z

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Nakamura: /* About Baijiu/Baiganr/Paikaru */

2025-02-08T00:37:40Z

‎About Baijiu/Baiganr/Paikaru

AvidConanContributor at 01:12, 6 February 2025

2025-02-06T01:12:24Z

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2025-02-05T18:46:19Z

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2025-02-05T18:43:27Z

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2025-02-05T08:45:46Z

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2025-02-05T08:00:04Z

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	:::::Why do you care so much anyway? I'm asking as I wasted, like, 2 hours in a debate I got forced into, defending something I didn't care that much about, only for neither of us to accept the other's points. There's pages I could have been contributing to instead. --[[User:SocietyBox\|SocietyBox]] ([[User talk:SocietyBox\|talk]]) 06:28, 8 February 2025 (UTC)		:::::Why do you care so much anyway? I'm asking as I wasted, like, 2 hours in a debate I got forced into, defending something I didn't care that much about, only for neither of us to accept the other's points. There's pages I could have been contributing to instead. --[[User:SocietyBox\|SocietyBox]] ([[User talk:SocietyBox\|talk]]) 06:28, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
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		+	::::::Avico, please create a discord account, we'll discuss this at the dcw-wiki channel thread. --[[User:BOBO\|'''<font color="#32CD32">BOBO</font>''']] ([[User talk:BOBO\|talk]]) 12:37, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

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	::::You're not late at all, Nakamura! I was planning to check with with you about this but it seems I ''unnecessarily'' procrastinated that task. Anyhow, what SocietyBox and I agree with is that baijiu was never mentioned in the anime, only paikaru. While of course paikaru is a type of baijiu, it seems awkward to introduce something that wasn't in the anime/manga (for me at least). In any case, since you're reply was only a suggestion, I assume that you would also accept the change to "paikaru"? --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 00:54, 8 February 2025 (UTC)		::::You're not late at all, Nakamura! I was planning to check with with you about this but it seems I ''unnecessarily'' procrastinated that task. Anyhow, what SocietyBox and I agree with is that baijiu was never mentioned in the anime, only paikaru. While of course paikaru is a type of baijiu, it seems awkward to introduce something that wasn't in the anime/manga (for me at least). In any case, since you're reply was only a suggestion, I assume that you would also accept the change to "paikaru"? --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 00:54, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
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		+	:::::Why do you care so much anyway? I'm asking as I wasted, like, 2 hours in a debate I got forced into, defending something I didn't care that much about, only for neither of us to accept the other's points. There's pages I could have been contributing to instead. --[[User:SocietyBox\|SocietyBox]] ([[User talk:SocietyBox\|talk]]) 06:28, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

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	:::Hey guys! Know I might be a little late in this thread but it seems that baiganr is just a type of baijiu so there should not be any issues leaving the name baijiu. I don't speak Chinese but there is a [[wikt:白乾兒\|Wiktionary entry]] about "白乾兒". The pinyin form is a bit cheesy so I'm leaning more towards keeping "baijiu", but of course, this is just a suggestion. --[[User:Nakamura\|'''<font color="#B343434">Naka</font><font color="#B777777">mura</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Nakamura\|'''<font color="#717171">talk</font>''']]</sup> 00:37, 8 February 2025 (UTC)		:::Hey guys! Know I might be a little late in this thread but it seems that baiganr is just a type of baijiu so there should not be any issues leaving the name baijiu. I don't speak Chinese but there is a [[wikt:白乾兒\|Wiktionary entry]] about "白乾兒". The pinyin form is a bit cheesy so I'm leaning more towards keeping "baijiu", but of course, this is just a suggestion. --[[User:Nakamura\|'''<font color="#B343434">Naka</font><font color="#B777777">mura</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Nakamura\|'''<font color="#717171">talk</font>''']]</sup> 00:37, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
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		+	::::You're not late at all, Nakamura! I was planning to check with with you about this but it seems I ''unnecessarily'' procrastinated that task. Anyhow, what SocietyBox and I agree with is that baijiu was never mentioned in the anime, only paikaru. While of course paikaru is a type of baijiu, it seems awkward to introduce something that wasn't in the anime/manga (for me at least). In any case, since you're reply was only a suggestion, I assume that you would also accept the change to "paikaru"? --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 00:54, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

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	::I'll have to check with at least one more reputable editor before I make any edits, but since you've come to that realization, I'd say "paikaru" would also be an acceptable change as well. Thanks for discussing this! --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 01:12, 6 February 2025 (UTC)		::I'll have to check with at least one more reputable editor before I make any edits, but since you've come to that realization, I'd say "paikaru" would also be an acceptable change as well. Thanks for discussing this! --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 01:12, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
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		+	:::Hey guys! Know I might be a little late in this thread but it seems that baiganr is just a type of baijiu so there should not be any issues leaving the name baijiu. I don't speak Chinese but there is a [[wikt:白乾兒\|Wiktionary entry]] about "白乾兒". The pinyin form is a bit cheesy so I'm leaning more towards keeping "baijiu", but of course, this is just a suggestion. --[[User:Nakamura\|'''<font color="#B343434">Naka</font><font color="#B777777">mura</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Nakamura\|'''<font color="#717171">talk</font>''']]</sup> 00:37, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

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	:I've just realised we've been discussing what the best name for the article would be when that didn't even cross my mind when I moved the article. I've been defending "baiganr" as if it was my number one preference and I never actually had one. I read the opening sentence to the article (which I haven't edited) and it sounded like "baijiu", "shaojiu" and "baiganr" were all equally valid names for the liquor and, therefore, equally valid names for the article. Given two are irrelevant to the canon and the remaining one's on the bottle, I made what I thought would be an acceptable page rename. If I were to choose a name as if I were writing the article from scratch (which is too radical and I wouldn't dream of making that decision on my own), I might actually go with Kaoliang liquor and have '''{{#if: Kaoliang liquor \| Kaoliang liquor \| {{#if: paikaru \| <i><span class="t_nihongo_romaji">paikaru</span></i>}}}}<span style="font-weight: normal">{{#if: 白乾児{{#if: Kaoliang liquor \| paikaru }} \| (}}{{#if: 白乾児 \| <span class="t_nihongo_kanji">{{lang\|ja\|白乾児}} </span>}}{{#if: Kaoliang liquor \| {{#if: paikaru \| {{#if: 白乾児 \| <span class="t_nihongo_comma" style="display:none">,</span> }}<i><span class="t_nihongo_romaji">paikaru</span></i>}}}}{{#if: 白乾児 \| <span class="t_nihongo_help noprint"><sup>[[Help:Japanese\|<span class="t_nihongo_icon" style="color: #00e; font: bold 80% sans-serif; text-decoration: none; padding: 0 .1em;">?</span>]]</sup></span>}}{{#if: \| {{#if: {{#if: paikaru\| Kaoliang liquor}}白乾児 \| ,}} {{{4}}} }}{{#if: 白乾児{{#if: Kaoliang liquor \| paikaru }} \| )}}{{#if: \| {{{5}}} }}</span>''' in the intro. --[[User:SocietyBox\|SocietyBox]] ([[User talk:SocietyBox\|talk]]) 18:43, 5 February 2025 (UTC)		:I've just realised we've been discussing what the best name for the article would be when that didn't even cross my mind when I moved the article. I've been defending "baiganr" as if it was my number one preference and I never actually had one. I read the opening sentence to the article (which I haven't edited) and it sounded like "baijiu", "shaojiu" and "baiganr" were all equally valid names for the liquor and, therefore, equally valid names for the article. Given two are irrelevant to the canon and the remaining one's on the bottle, I made what I thought would be an acceptable page rename. If I were to choose a name as if I were writing the article from scratch (which is too radical and I wouldn't dream of making that decision on my own), I might actually go with Kaoliang liquor and have '''{{#if: Kaoliang liquor \| Kaoliang liquor \| {{#if: paikaru \| <i><span class="t_nihongo_romaji">paikaru</span></i>}}}}<span style="font-weight: normal">{{#if: 白乾児{{#if: Kaoliang liquor \| paikaru }} \| (}}{{#if: 白乾児 \| <span class="t_nihongo_kanji">{{lang\|ja\|白乾児}} </span>}}{{#if: Kaoliang liquor \| {{#if: paikaru \| {{#if: 白乾児 \| <span class="t_nihongo_comma" style="display:none">,</span> }}<i><span class="t_nihongo_romaji">paikaru</span></i>}}}}{{#if: 白乾児 \| <span class="t_nihongo_help noprint"><sup>[[Help:Japanese\|<span class="t_nihongo_icon" style="color: #00e; font: bold 80% sans-serif; text-decoration: none; padding: 0 .1em;">?</span>]]</sup></span>}}{{#if: \| {{#if: {{#if: paikaru\| Kaoliang liquor}}白乾児 \| ,}} {{{4}}} }}{{#if: 白乾児{{#if: Kaoliang liquor \| paikaru }} \| )}}{{#if: \| {{{5}}} }}</span>''' in the intro. --[[User:SocietyBox\|SocietyBox]] ([[User talk:SocietyBox\|talk]]) 18:43, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
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		+	::I'll have to check with at least one more reputable editor before I make any edits, but since you've come to that realization, I'd say "paikaru" would also be an acceptable change as well. Thanks for discussing this! --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 01:12, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

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	:::::I've just remembered and have gone back to check that 白乾児 seems to be exclusively (or nearly exclusively) used in Japan and is (or might as well be) made-up (wasei) Chinese. Still, the idea should carry over and the English name should also sound like made-up Chinese and be "baiganr". I'll also cover the only argument I'll accept for "baijiu" which is that it's the official and 100% accurate English translation of the liquor. But instead, according to Wikipedia anyway, the correct translation is "Kaoliang liquor". --[[User:SocietyBox\|SocietyBox]] ([[User talk:SocietyBox\|talk]]) 08:45, 5 February 2025 (UTC)		:::::I've just remembered and have gone back to check that 白乾児 seems to be exclusively (or nearly exclusively) used in Japan and is (or might as well be) made-up (wasei) Chinese. Still, the idea should carry over and the English name should also sound like made-up Chinese and be "baiganr". I'll also cover the only argument I'll accept for "baijiu" which is that it's the official and 100% accurate English translation of the liquor. But instead, according to Wikipedia anyway, the correct translation is "Kaoliang liquor". --[[User:SocietyBox\|SocietyBox]] ([[User talk:SocietyBox\|talk]]) 08:45, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

−	:I've just realised we've been discussing what the best name for the article would be when that didn't even cross my mind when I moved the article. I read the opening sentence to the article (which I haven't edited) and it sounded like "baijiu", "shaojiu" and "baiganr" were all equally valid names for the liquor and, therefore, equally valid names for the article. Given two are irrelevant to the canon and the remaining one's on the bottle, I made what I thought would be an acceptable page rename. If I were to choose a name as if I were writing the article from scratch (which is too radical and I wouldn't dream of making that decision on my own), I might actually go with Kaoliang liquor and have '''{{#if: Kaoliang liquor \| Kaoliang liquor \| {{#if: paikaru \| <i><span class="t_nihongo_romaji">paikaru</span></i>}}}}<span style="font-weight: normal">{{#if: 白乾児{{#if: Kaoliang liquor \| paikaru }} \| (}}{{#if: 白乾児 \| <span class="t_nihongo_kanji">{{lang\|ja\|白乾児}} </span>}}{{#if: Kaoliang liquor \| {{#if: paikaru \| {{#if: 白乾児 \| <span class="t_nihongo_comma" style="display:none">,</span> }}<i><span class="t_nihongo_romaji">paikaru</span></i>}}}}{{#if: 白乾児 \| <span class="t_nihongo_help noprint"><sup>[[Help:Japanese\|<span class="t_nihongo_icon" style="color: #00e; font: bold 80% sans-serif; text-decoration: none; padding: 0 .1em;">?</span>]]</sup></span>}}{{#if: \| {{#if: {{#if: paikaru\| Kaoliang liquor}}白乾児 \| ,}} {{{4}}} }}{{#if: 白乾児{{#if: Kaoliang liquor \| paikaru }} \| )}}{{#if: \| {{{5}}} }}</span>''' in the intro. --[[User:SocietyBox\|SocietyBox]] ([[User talk:SocietyBox\|talk]]) 18:43, 5 February 2025 (UTC)	+	:I've just realised we've been discussing what the best name for the article would be when that didn't even cross my mind when I moved the article. I've been defending "baiganr" as if it was my number one preference and I never actually had one. I read the opening sentence to the article (which I haven't edited) and it sounded like "baijiu", "shaojiu" and "baiganr" were all equally valid names for the liquor and, therefore, equally valid names for the article. Given two are irrelevant to the canon and the remaining one's on the bottle, I made what I thought would be an acceptable page rename. If I were to choose a name as if I were writing the article from scratch (which is too radical and I wouldn't dream of making that decision on my own), I might actually go with Kaoliang liquor and have '''{{#if: Kaoliang liquor \| Kaoliang liquor \| {{#if: paikaru \| <i><span class="t_nihongo_romaji">paikaru</span></i>}}}}<span style="font-weight: normal">{{#if: 白乾児{{#if: Kaoliang liquor \| paikaru }} \| (}}{{#if: 白乾児 \| <span class="t_nihongo_kanji">{{lang\|ja\|白乾児}} </span>}}{{#if: Kaoliang liquor \| {{#if: paikaru \| {{#if: 白乾児 \| <span class="t_nihongo_comma" style="display:none">,</span> }}<i><span class="t_nihongo_romaji">paikaru</span></i>}}}}{{#if: 白乾児 \| <span class="t_nihongo_help noprint"><sup>[[Help:Japanese\|<span class="t_nihongo_icon" style="color: #00e; font: bold 80% sans-serif; text-decoration: none; padding: 0 .1em;">?</span>]]</sup></span>}}{{#if: \| {{#if: {{#if: paikaru\| Kaoliang liquor}}白乾児 \| ,}} {{{4}}} }}{{#if: 白乾児{{#if: Kaoliang liquor \| paikaru }} \| )}}{{#if: \| {{{5}}} }}</span>''' in the intro. --[[User:SocietyBox\|SocietyBox]] ([[User talk:SocietyBox\|talk]]) 18:43, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

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	:::::I've just remembered and have gone back to check that 白乾児 seems to be exclusively (or nearly exclusively) used in Japan and is (or might as well be) made-up (wasei) Chinese. Still, the idea should carry over and the English name should also sound like made-up Chinese and be "baiganr". I'll also cover the only argument I'll accept for "baijiu" which is that it's the official and 100% accurate English translation of the liquor. But instead, according to Wikipedia anyway, the correct translation is "Kaoliang liquor". --[[User:SocietyBox\|SocietyBox]] ([[User talk:SocietyBox\|talk]]) 08:45, 5 February 2025 (UTC)		:::::I've just remembered and have gone back to check that 白乾児 seems to be exclusively (or nearly exclusively) used in Japan and is (or might as well be) made-up (wasei) Chinese. Still, the idea should carry over and the English name should also sound like made-up Chinese and be "baiganr". I'll also cover the only argument I'll accept for "baijiu" which is that it's the official and 100% accurate English translation of the liquor. But instead, according to Wikipedia anyway, the correct translation is "Kaoliang liquor". --[[User:SocietyBox\|SocietyBox]] ([[User talk:SocietyBox\|talk]]) 08:45, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
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		+	:I've just realised we've been discussing what the best name for the article would be when that didn't even cross my mind when I moved the article. I read the opening sentence to the article (which I haven't edited) and it sounded like "baijiu", "shaojiu" and "baiganr" were all equally valid names for the liquor and, therefore, equally valid names for the article. Given two are irrelevant to the canon and the remaining one's on the bottle, I made what I thought would be an acceptable page rename. If I were to choose a name as if I were writing the article from scratch (which is too radical and I wouldn't dream of making that decision on my own), I might actually go with Kaoliang liquor and have '''{{#if: Kaoliang liquor \| Kaoliang liquor \| {{#if: paikaru \| <i><span class="t_nihongo_romaji">paikaru</span></i>}}}}<span style="font-weight: normal">{{#if: 白乾児{{#if: Kaoliang liquor \| paikaru }} \| (}}{{#if: 白乾児 \| <span class="t_nihongo_kanji">{{lang\|ja\|白乾児}} </span>}}{{#if: Kaoliang liquor \| {{#if: paikaru \| {{#if: 白乾児 \| <span class="t_nihongo_comma" style="display:none">,</span> }}<i><span class="t_nihongo_romaji">paikaru</span></i>}}}}{{#if: 白乾児 \| <span class="t_nihongo_help noprint"><sup>[[Help:Japanese\|<span class="t_nihongo_icon" style="color: #00e; font: bold 80% sans-serif; text-decoration: none; padding: 0 .1em;">?</span>]]</sup></span>}}{{#if: \| {{#if: {{#if: paikaru\| Kaoliang liquor}}白乾児 \| ,}} {{{4}}} }}{{#if: 白乾児{{#if: Kaoliang liquor \| paikaru }} \| )}}{{#if: \| {{{5}}} }}</span>''' in the intro. --[[User:SocietyBox\|SocietyBox]] ([[User talk:SocietyBox\|talk]]) 18:43, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

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	:::::That's for the friendliness. I should start by saying I'm fluent in Chinese, Japanese and English. Just because the bottle has the Japanese version of the name (like how 中國/中国 zhongguo in Chinese is 中国 chuugoku in Japanese) doesn't mean they're referring to different things (please don't mention chuugoku-chiho) and that we should use "chuugoku" for any Japanese references to the country. Unless you're suggesting paikaru should mean specifically "baiganr that's been manufactured in Japan or imported and relabelled in Japan" (like how "anime" means, specifically, Japanese animation), I don't see your point. I can also throw in the "ramen" example which, despite its Chinese origin and considered "chuuka" cuisine in Japan, is globally considered Japanese cuisine and thus the Japanese name is most popular. Baiganr is Chinese liquor, and having the English name based on the Chinese name (or even just a Chinese-sounding name) would feel more natural to readers. Again, do what you want. There's only like 20 pages referring to it so I can just turn a blind eye. --[[User:SocietyBox\|SocietyBox]] ([[User talk:SocietyBox\|talk]]) 07:54, 5 February 2025 (UTC)		:::::That's for the friendliness. I should start by saying I'm fluent in Chinese, Japanese and English. Just because the bottle has the Japanese version of the name (like how 中國/中国 zhongguo in Chinese is 中国 chuugoku in Japanese) doesn't mean they're referring to different things (please don't mention chuugoku-chiho) and that we should use "chuugoku" for any Japanese references to the country. Unless you're suggesting paikaru should mean specifically "baiganr that's been manufactured in Japan or imported and relabelled in Japan" (like how "anime" means, specifically, Japanese animation), I don't see your point. I can also throw in the "ramen" example which, despite its Chinese origin and considered "chuuka" cuisine in Japan, is globally considered Japanese cuisine and thus the Japanese name is most popular. Baiganr is Chinese liquor, and having the English name based on the Chinese name (or even just a Chinese-sounding name) would feel more natural to readers. Again, do what you want. There's only like 20 pages referring to it so I can just turn a blind eye. --[[User:SocietyBox\|SocietyBox]] ([[User talk:SocietyBox\|talk]]) 07:54, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
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		+	:::::I've just remembered and have gone back to check that 白乾児 seems to be exclusively (or nearly exclusively) used in Japan and is (or might as well be) made-up (wasei) Chinese. Still, the idea should carry over and the English name should also sound like made-up Chinese and be "baiganr". I'll also cover the only argument I'll accept for "baijiu" which is that it's the official and 100% accurate English translation of the liquor. But instead, according to Wikipedia anyway, the correct translation is "Kaoliang liquor". --[[User:SocietyBox\|SocietyBox]] ([[User talk:SocietyBox\|talk]]) 08:45, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

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	::::There's no need to feel discouraged like that, I gladly accept your opinion and am considering to use it for a future edit. Allow me to correct and clarify myself with some info from Wikitionary (If you find this repetitive, please skip this part):<p>"[[wikt:白乾兒\|白乾兒]]" is the Chinese name for this liquor, which is romanized as "báigānr" using Pinyin ("baiganr" if you omit the accents). These characters, however, were not written on the bottle.</p><p>What is instead written on the bottle is "[[wikt:白乾児\|白乾児]]" (note the slightly modified last character) which is romanized as "paikaru" using Hepburn. This ''is'' what was written on the bottle and is the proper romanization.</p><p>I hope I've made this point clear: "baiganr" is not the proper romanization. But as you've pointed out, "Bai ganr" is written on the bottle (I don't know why), so if I were to contribute to this article, I wouldn't entirely exclude "baiganr" from the article, maybe mention it in a sentence or two. But it's definitely not going to be the name of the article like it is now. Whether the article is going to be named "Baijiu" or "Paikaru" is going to need some further discussion with other contributors on this wiki since we are "touching" on a precedence and I would like to respect that precedence.</p><p>Do know that I am with you on '''not naming''' the article "Baijiu" since that does seem awkward to introduce something not mentioned in the anime/manga. Let me know of any further concerns! --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 03:58, 5 February 2025 (UTC)		::::There's no need to feel discouraged like that, I gladly accept your opinion and am considering to use it for a future edit. Allow me to correct and clarify myself with some info from Wikitionary (If you find this repetitive, please skip this part):<p>"[[wikt:白乾兒\|白乾兒]]" is the Chinese name for this liquor, which is romanized as "báigānr" using Pinyin ("baiganr" if you omit the accents). These characters, however, were not written on the bottle.</p><p>What is instead written on the bottle is "[[wikt:白乾児\|白乾児]]" (note the slightly modified last character) which is romanized as "paikaru" using Hepburn. This ''is'' what was written on the bottle and is the proper romanization.</p><p>I hope I've made this point clear: "baiganr" is not the proper romanization. But as you've pointed out, "Bai ganr" is written on the bottle (I don't know why), so if I were to contribute to this article, I wouldn't entirely exclude "baiganr" from the article, maybe mention it in a sentence or two. But it's definitely not going to be the name of the article like it is now. Whether the article is going to be named "Baijiu" or "Paikaru" is going to need some further discussion with other contributors on this wiki since we are "touching" on a precedence and I would like to respect that precedence.</p><p>Do know that I am with you on '''not naming''' the article "Baijiu" since that does seem awkward to introduce something not mentioned in the anime/manga. Let me know of any further concerns! --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 03:58, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

−	:::::That's for the friendliness. I should start by saying I'm fluent in Chinese, Japanese and English. Just because the bottle has the Japanese version of the name (like how 中國/中国 zhongguo in Chinese is 中国 chuugoku in Japanese) doesn't mean we ~~start calling China PR~~ "chuugoku" ~~(if we didn't already have~~ the ~~official English "China PR" name)~~. Unless you're suggesting paikaru should mean specifically "baiganr that's been manufactured in Japan or imported and relabelled in Japan" (like how "anime" means, specifically, Japanese animation), I don't see your point. I can also throw in the "ramen" example which, despite its Chinese origin and considered "chuuka" cuisine in Japan, is globally considered Japanese cuisine and thus the Japanese name is most popular. Baiganr is Chinese liquor, and having the English name based on the Chinese name (or even just a Chinese-sounding name) would feel more natural to readers. Again, do what you want. There's only like 20 pages referring to it so I can just turn a blind eye. --[[User:SocietyBox\|SocietyBox]] ([[User talk:SocietyBox\|talk]]) 07:54, 5 February 2025 (UTC)	+	:::::That's for the friendliness. I should start by saying I'm fluent in Chinese, Japanese and English. Just because the bottle has the Japanese version of the name (like how 中國/中国 zhongguo in Chinese is 中国 chuugoku in Japanese) doesn't mean they're referring to different things (please don't mention chuugoku-chiho) and that we should use "chuugoku" for any Japanese references to the country. Unless you're suggesting paikaru should mean specifically "baiganr that's been manufactured in Japan or imported and relabelled in Japan" (like how "anime" means, specifically, Japanese animation), I don't see your point. I can also throw in the "ramen" example which, despite its Chinese origin and considered "chuuka" cuisine in Japan, is globally considered Japanese cuisine and thus the Japanese name is most popular. Baiganr is Chinese liquor, and having the English name based on the Chinese name (or even just a Chinese-sounding name) would feel more natural to readers. Again, do what you want. There's only like 20 pages referring to it so I can just turn a blind eye. --[[User:SocietyBox\|SocietyBox]] ([[User talk:SocietyBox\|talk]]) 07:54, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

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	::::There's no need to feel discouraged like that, I gladly accept your opinion and am considering to use it for a future edit. Allow me to correct and clarify myself with some info from Wikitionary (If you find this repetitive, please skip this part):<p>"[[wikt:白乾兒\|白乾兒]]" is the Chinese name for this liquor, which is romanized as "báigānr" using Pinyin ("baiganr" if you omit the accents). These characters, however, were not written on the bottle.</p><p>What is instead written on the bottle is "[[wikt:白乾児\|白乾児]]" (note the slightly modified last character) which is romanized as "paikaru" using Hepburn. This ''is'' what was written on the bottle and is the proper romanization.</p><p>I hope I've made this point clear: "baiganr" is not the proper romanization. But as you've pointed out, "Bai ganr" is written on the bottle (I don't know why), so if I were to contribute to this article, I wouldn't entirely exclude "baiganr" from the article, maybe mention it in a sentence or two. But it's definitely not going to be the name of the article like it is now. Whether the article is going to be named "Baijiu" or "Paikaru" is going to need some further discussion with other contributors on this wiki since we are "touching" on a precedence and I would like to respect that precedence.</p><p>Do know that I am with you on '''not naming''' the article "Baijiu" since that does seem awkward to introduce something not mentioned in the anime/manga. Let me know of any further concerns! --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 03:58, 5 February 2025 (UTC)		::::There's no need to feel discouraged like that, I gladly accept your opinion and am considering to use it for a future edit. Allow me to correct and clarify myself with some info from Wikitionary (If you find this repetitive, please skip this part):<p>"[[wikt:白乾兒\|白乾兒]]" is the Chinese name for this liquor, which is romanized as "báigānr" using Pinyin ("baiganr" if you omit the accents). These characters, however, were not written on the bottle.</p><p>What is instead written on the bottle is "[[wikt:白乾児\|白乾児]]" (note the slightly modified last character) which is romanized as "paikaru" using Hepburn. This ''is'' what was written on the bottle and is the proper romanization.</p><p>I hope I've made this point clear: "baiganr" is not the proper romanization. But as you've pointed out, "Bai ganr" is written on the bottle (I don't know why), so if I were to contribute to this article, I wouldn't entirely exclude "baiganr" from the article, maybe mention it in a sentence or two. But it's definitely not going to be the name of the article like it is now. Whether the article is going to be named "Baijiu" or "Paikaru" is going to need some further discussion with other contributors on this wiki since we are "touching" on a precedence and I would like to respect that precedence.</p><p>Do know that I am with you on '''not naming''' the article "Baijiu" since that does seem awkward to introduce something not mentioned in the anime/manga. Let me know of any further concerns! --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 03:58, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
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		+	:::::That's for the friendliness. I should start by saying I'm fluent in Chinese, Japanese and English. Just because the bottle has the Japanese version of the name (like how 中國/中国 zhongguo in Chinese is 中国 chuugoku in Japanese) doesn't mean we start calling China PR "chuugoku" (if we didn't already have the official English "China PR" name). Unless you're suggesting paikaru should mean specifically "baiganr that's been manufactured in Japan or imported and relabelled in Japan" (like how "anime" means, specifically, Japanese animation), I don't see your point. I can also throw in the "ramen" example which, despite its Chinese origin and considered "chuuka" cuisine in Japan, is globally considered Japanese cuisine and thus the Japanese name is most popular. Baiganr is Chinese liquor, and having the English name based on the Chinese name (or even just a Chinese-sounding name) would feel more natural to readers. Again, do what you want. There's only like 20 pages referring to it so I can just turn a blind eye. --[[User:SocietyBox\|SocietyBox]] ([[User talk:SocietyBox\|talk]]) 07:54, 5 February 2025 (UTC)