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Chekhov MacGuffin: Beta Speculation: Shiho's APTX 4869 version is contaminated with research from Silver Bullet

2017-05-10T23:55:12Z

Beta Speculation: Shiho's APTX 4869 version is contaminated with research from Silver Bullet

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Chekhov MacGuffin: /* Stacked charts by percentage */ Sakurako done

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‎Stacked charts by percentage: Sakurako done

Chekhov MacGuffin: /* Sakurako Yonehara */ Data

2016-08-06T20:53:25Z

‎Sakurako Yonehara: Data

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‎Stacked charts by percentage: some charts

Chekhov MacGuffin: conan control posted <3

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 ''Well, what I was really ordered to make was another drug, however...<!-- SPIMER EXACT TRANS FOR THIS ONE LINE-->''|Manga [[Volume 89]], File 11 (948), Pages 3-4: "The Clenched Scissors"}}
-In this conversation, it makes the most sense that the Black Organization was hoping that Shiho would not work on the prototype APTX 4869 used to kill in the past and instead recreate her parents' final project [[Silver Bullet]] which seems to have fallen through (perhaps by catching fire) before being completed. They gave these orders unaware that Shiho actually did what they wanted her to do, which in turn explains why Shiho said that she did not intend to create a murder drug<ref name="179p9"/> and protested that the drug was used for killing. Instead, the Black Organization seems to mistakenly believe that Shiho had reassembled the prototype APTX 4869 of the past.
+In this conversation, it makes the most sense that the Black Organization was hoping that Shiho would not work on the prototype APTX 4869 used to kill in the past and instead recreate her parents' final project [[Silver Bullet]] which seems to have fallen through (perhaps by catching fire) before being completed.<ref>Elena Miyano tape 18: "But in order to complete the drug, your dad and I will have to leave you and your sister. Please understand, Shiho."<br>Manga [[Volume 78]], File 4 (821), pgs 7-8: "Mystery Train: Junction"</ref> They gave these orders unaware that Shiho actually did what they wanted her to do, which in turn explains why Shiho said that she did not intend to create a murder drug<ref name="179p9"/> and protested that the drug was used for killing. Instead, the Black Organization seems to mistakenly believe that Shiho had reassembled the prototype APTX 4869 of the past.
 <font color="#333333">This type of development would be so very in character for Gosho, since it involves a significant degree of failing to share information and lots of secret keeping between supposed allies.</font>
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 === Shiho's APTX 4869 version is contaminated with research from Silver Bullet ===
-It is known that the [[APTX 4869]] of 17 years ago was used for murder<ref>[[Kohji Haneda]]'s murder</ref> and that Shiho's current version of APTX 4869 is being used for the same purpose.<ref>Gin's attempted murder of Shinichi, Pisco's backup murder plot</ref> It is unlikely that the generally cautious Black Organization would use a custom drug for murder if they knew it had a chance of shrinking the victim and leaving them alive. It also doesn't make much sense that they would kill people using an in-development drug which Haibara explicitly stated was not created for murder<ref name="179p9">Manga [[Volume 18]], File 9 (179), page 9: "The Girl Made Of Lies"</ref> and which [[APTX 4869#Original intent|is suspected to have]] a somewhat miraculous end goal such as deaging, rejuvination, or immortality.
+It is known that the [[APTX 4869]] of 17 years ago was used for murder<ref>[[Kohji Haneda]]'s murder</ref> and that Shiho's current version of APTX 4869 is being used for the same purpose.<ref>Gin's attempted murder of Shinichi, Pisco's backup murder plot</ref> It is unlikely that the generally cautious Black Organization would use a custom drug for murder if they knew it had a chance of shrinking the victim and leaving them alive. It also doesn't make much sense that they would kill people using an in-development drug which Shiho explicitly stated was not created for murder<ref name="179p9">Manga [[Volume 18]], File 9 (179), page 9: "The Girl Made Of Lies"</ref> and which [[APTX 4869#Original intent|is suspected to have]] a somewhat miraculous end goal such as deaging, rejuvination, or immortality.
-This contradiction can be explained by the Black Organization mistakenly operating on the assumption that Ai recreated her parents' [[APTX 4869]] (which may have been tested in the past and found to kill exclusively). It is known that a lab fire destroyed most of Elena and Atsushi's drug project research. Ai had to piece their research together from fragments. It is certainly possible that damage from the fire destroyed certain context clues that would allow Shiho to figure out which research belonged to the APTX 4869 drug, and which belonged to Silver Bullet. In resurrecting her parents' work, Shiho mixed the research together. This hybrid is the modern [[APTX 4869]].
+This contradiction can be explained by the Black Organization mistakenly operating on the assumption that Shiho recreated her parents' [[APTX 4869]] (which may have been tested in the past and found to kill exclusively). It is known that a lab fire destroyed most of Elena and Atsushi's drug project research. Shiho had to piece their research together from fragments. It is certainly possible that damage from the fire destroyed certain context clues that would allow Shiho to figure out which research belonged to the APTX 4869 drug, and which belonged to Silver Bullet. In resurrecting her parents' work, Shiho mixed the research together. This hybrid is the modern [[APTX 4869]].
 Perhaps because the project took the name [[APTX 4869]] rather than [[Silver Bullet]] and for the most part has similar deadly results, most of the Black Organization seems to have assumed that it is the same drug as before. Their ignorance can an least be partly explained by Shiho hiding certain results so that even executive members of the Organization were not aware APTX 4869 could cause de-aging.<ref>Shinichi's survival for sure, and possibly the one shrunken mouse which was tested. The most significant proof is that no one has figured out Shiho shrank to escape her handcuffs and the locked room. Someone aware of shrinking results could easily extrapolate what happened.</ref> It is possible Shiho may misinformed the Organization about the status of her recreation project, not having realized she had mixed the research until after the Organization intended to use it for killing.
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 ''Well, what I was really ordered to make was another drug, however...<!-- SPIMER EXACT TRANS FOR THIS ONE LINE-->''|Manga [[Volume 89]], File 11 (948), Pages 3-4: "The Clenched Scissors"}}
-In this conversation, it makes the most sense that the Black Organization was hoping that Shiho would not work on the prototype APTX 4869 used to kill in the past and instead recreate her parents' final project [[Silver Bullet]] which seems to have fallen through (perhaps by catching fire) before being completed. They gave these orders unaware that Ai actually did what they wanted her to do, which in turn explains why Ai said that she did not intend to create a murder drug<ref name="179p9"/> and protested that the drug was used for killing. Instead, the Black Organization seems to mistakenly believe that Shiho had reassembled the prototype APTX 4869 of the past.
+In this conversation, it makes the most sense that the Black Organization was hoping that Shiho would not work on the prototype APTX 4869 used to kill in the past and instead recreate her parents' final project [[Silver Bullet]] which seems to have fallen through (perhaps by catching fire) before being completed. They gave these orders unaware that Shiho actually did what they wanted her to do, which in turn explains why Shiho said that she did not intend to create a murder drug<ref name="179p9"/> and protested that the drug was used for killing. Instead, the Black Organization seems to mistakenly believe that Shiho had reassembled the prototype APTX 4869 of the past.
 <font color="#333333">This type of development would be so very in character for Gosho, since it involves a significant degree of failing to share information and lots of secret keeping between supposed allies.</font>
 <References/>

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	"Silver Bullet" is the name given to a mysterious drug created by [[Elena Miyano]] and [[Atsushi Miyano]] for the [[Black Organization]].		"Silver Bullet" is the name given to a mysterious drug created by [[Elena Miyano]] and [[Atsushi Miyano]] for the [[Black Organization]].

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	== Sakurako Yonehara ==		== Sakurako Yonehara ==
		+
		+	<!-- 781-786, 847-849, 918-920 -->
		+	{\| class="wikitable"
		+	\|-
		+	! Case
		+	! SS (•_•)
		+	! SR (<_<)
		+	! SL (>_>)
		+	! RS ('_' )
		+	! RR (<_< )
		+	! RL (•_• )
		+	! LS ( '_')
		+	! LL ( >_>)
		+	! LR ( •_•)
		+	! Other
		+	! Total
		+	\|-
		+	\| Many
		+	\| 138
		+	\| 8
		+	\| 17
		+	\| 12
		+	\| 15
		+	\| 0
		+	\| 12
		+	\| 14
		+	\| 0
		+	\| 8
		+	\| 224
		+	\|- <!--percentages-->
		+	\| Many
		+	\| 61.6%
		+	\| 3.6%
		+	\| 7.6%
		+	\| 5.4%
		+	\| 6.7%
		+	\| 0.0%
		+	\| 5.4%
		+	\| 6.3%
		+	\| 0.0%
		+	\| 3.6%
		+	\| 100%
		+	\|}

	== Chikara Katsumata ==		== Chikara Katsumata ==

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-| <span style="color:blue">'''1 : 1'''</span>
+| 1 : 1
-| 1 : 2
+| <span style="color:blue">1 : 2</span>
-| <span style="color:blue">'''2.6 : 1'''</span>
+| 2.6 : 1
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 | Kuroda -_o
 | 78
-| 17
+| <span style="color:red">'''17'''</span>
 | <span style="color:black">'''78.2%'''</span>
 | NaN
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 | Rumi o_o
 | 80
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+| <span style="color:red">43</span>
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 * SR:RS / SL:LS : These two compare the ratio of instances where the character only turns their eyes and their heads remain straight (SR and SL) to the number of head turns to the right or left to look directly at something (RS and LS). A high ratio means the character is favoring more aside glances than headturns for direct looking. One of my assumptions is that characters with an eye out will turn their heads more directly to face someone on their blind slide. Kansuke seems to show this on his bad left, preferring more than other characters to turn his head to look straight at someone.
-* RR:SR / LL:SL : The second pair compares the ratio of the full head and eyes turn (LL and RR) to the eyeturn only (SL and SR). A character with their vision out should be forced to turn more completely on their bad side and therefore uses relatively fewer aside glances on their bad side.
+* RR:SR / LL:SL : The second pair compares the ratio of the full head and eyes turn (LL and RR) to the eyeturn only (SL and SR). A character with their vision out should be forced to turn more completely on their bad side and therefore uses relatively fewer aside glances on their bad side. Some shifty-eyed characters like Koumei have high ratios.
 * SX:RX:LX : The second from the last looks at raw headturn ratio.

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 == Conan ==
-A control case, looking at cases since the start of the Rum arc.
+A control case, looking at cases since late Bourbon and the start of the Rum arc.
 == Matsumoto ==
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