Template talk:Rightcolumn - Revision history

BOBO at 22:34, 23 January 2025

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	::::::::Yup, I definitely saw some duplication (even the AI pointed that out). Maybe it's because you're the creator so you know how it exactly works. I've had some experience with nesting (another form of duplication) Ifs before in my other programming projects, and when it comes to legibility, without comments or description, it's close to zero. I know this because it's only after you finish the project, let it sit there, and come back do you realize how complicated such duplication and nesting can really be. Now for some targeted quote replying:<br>''"we should try and see how to alter the right column"''<br>What did you mean by that?<br>''"I have a fear that by then other editors would have already removed the right column template from the main page"''<br>If we had as many editors as this wiki had about five years ago, this might have happened. But the only current editors that might do this now are Nakamura and Jefflie, and I think they understand what we're doing, so we should worry about this. --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 22:25, 23 January 2025 (UTC)		::::::::Yup, I definitely saw some duplication (even the AI pointed that out). Maybe it's because you're the creator so you know how it exactly works. I've had some experience with nesting (another form of duplication) Ifs before in my other programming projects, and when it comes to legibility, without comments or description, it's close to zero. I know this because it's only after you finish the project, let it sit there, and come back do you realize how complicated such duplication and nesting can really be. Now for some targeted quote replying:<br>''"we should try and see how to alter the right column"''<br>What did you mean by that?<br>''"I have a fear that by then other editors would have already removed the right column template from the main page"''<br>If we had as many editors as this wiki had about five years ago, this might have happened. But the only current editors that might do this now are Nakamura and Jefflie, and I think they understand what we're doing, so we should worry about this. --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 22:25, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

			:::::::::Trust me, I am '''''not''''' the creator (laughs), ''And Now Let Us Give Praise To The Knowledgeable Mr. GPT''. Without him, I am not able to start, he thought up all the ideas, before this, I did not even know that <code>#ifexist</code> is a thing lol. I agree with you, nesting statements can be "damageable" when executing. Yet I think this is a bit different from recursion, I don't think it is calling itself or anything... It only occupies many bytes which does not look good in the source code. There is nothing to "we should try and see how to alter the right column", I just think that the template itself leaves a lot to be desired and very not mature; I am simultaneously also being afriad of complains as you know, not '''everyone''' is satisfied with everything - I recall last time when I changed the Chronology box, some liked, but some complained; same also happened when we decided to re-split the seasons of the anime. But do whatso you want! I honestly don't care now! Much obliged! :) --[[User:BOBO\|'''<font color="#32CD32">BOBO</font>''']] ([[User talk:BOBO\|talk]]) 22:34, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

AvidConanContributor: /* Complexification */

2025-01-23T22:26:04Z

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	:::::::Don't get me wrong (laughs), I am not bragging about how good the current templates are; they still aren't perfect. But what I tried to attain is reducing the number of named parameters (especially having to insert "part 1 or 2 or whatever" requires an extra line with parameter being a little bit wordy such as "Current part") and this downplays the functionality, personally. About the automatic update, I really think we should give up on it, as it still requires editors to change it weekly, it is not worth all that time developing and then realise it is not that effective. Frankly, template is not that complicated as it only looks "overwhelming" because of the number of lines. But if you look closely, they are merely duplicates of the same thing; <code>#ifexist</code> in nature introduces two lines of similar content: <code><nowiki>{{#ifexist:File:YourFileName.jpg\|ContentIfExists\|ContentIfDoesNotExist}}</nowiki></code> it checks if the given file exists - if not, then something else triggers. Speaking of which, I also wanted to simplify the display of the right column, in which for the next episode segment, solely "the <nowiki>[[next chapter]]</nowiki> will be released in XXXX" is rendered. Notwithstanding that, I am really grateful for the fact that you aspire to make a difference; I will definitely give you a hand concerning your grand project. If we succeed, then maybe we should try and see how to alter the right column, but I have a fear that by then other editors would have already removed the right column template from the main page (laughs) --[[User:BOBO\|'''<font color="#32CD32">BOBO</font>''']] ([[User talk:BOBO\|talk]]) 22:07, 23 January 2025 (UTC)		:::::::Don't get me wrong (laughs), I am not bragging about how good the current templates are; they still aren't perfect. But what I tried to attain is reducing the number of named parameters (especially having to insert "part 1 or 2 or whatever" requires an extra line with parameter being a little bit wordy such as "Current part") and this downplays the functionality, personally. About the automatic update, I really think we should give up on it, as it still requires editors to change it weekly, it is not worth all that time developing and then realise it is not that effective. Frankly, template is not that complicated as it only looks "overwhelming" because of the number of lines. But if you look closely, they are merely duplicates of the same thing; <code>#ifexist</code> in nature introduces two lines of similar content: <code><nowiki>{{#ifexist:File:YourFileName.jpg\|ContentIfExists\|ContentIfDoesNotExist}}</nowiki></code> it checks if the given file exists - if not, then something else triggers. Speaking of which, I also wanted to simplify the display of the right column, in which for the next episode segment, solely "the <nowiki>[[next chapter]]</nowiki> will be released in XXXX" is rendered. Notwithstanding that, I am really grateful for the fact that you aspire to make a difference; I will definitely give you a hand concerning your grand project. If we succeed, then maybe we should try and see how to alter the right column, but I have a fear that by then other editors would have already removed the right column template from the main page (laughs) --[[User:BOBO\|'''<font color="#32CD32">BOBO</font>''']] ([[User talk:BOBO\|talk]]) 22:07, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

			::::::::Yup, I definitely saw some duplication (even the AI pointed that out). Maybe it's because you're the creator so you know how it exactly works. I've had some experience with nesting (another form of duplication) Ifs before in my other programming projects, and when it comes to legibility, without comments or description, it's close to zero. I know this because it's only after you finish the project, let it sit there, and come back do you realize how complicated such duplication and nesting can really be. Now for some targeted quote replying:<br>''"we should try and see how to alter the right column"''<br>What did you mean by that?<br>''"I have a fear that by then other editors would have already removed the right column template from the main page"''<br>If we had as many editors as this wiki had about five years ago, this might have happened. But the only current editors that might do this now are Nakamura and Jefflie, and I think they understand what we're doing, so we should worry about this. --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 22:25, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

BOBO: /* Complexification */

2025-01-23T22:09:33Z

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	::::::I forgot to mention, I was supposed to write a sentence saying that "Slots 1, 2, and 3 must be in chronological order" in the sandbox today, but I completely forgot. I'll update that very soon though. --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 21:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)		::::::I forgot to mention, I was supposed to write a sentence saying that "Slots 1, 2, and 3 must be in chronological order" in the sandbox today, but I completely forgot. I'll update that very soon though. --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 21:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

	:::::::Don't get me wrong (laughs), I am not bragging about how good the current templates are; they still aren't perfect. But what I tried to attain is reducing the number of named parameters (especially having to insert "part 1 or 2 or whatever" requires an extra line with parameter being a little bit wordy such as "Current part") and this downplays the functionality, personally. About the automatic update, I really think we should give up on it, as it still requires editors to change it weekly, it is not worth all that time developing and then realise it is not that effective. Frankly, template is not that complicated as it only looks "overwhelming" because of the number of lines. But if you look closely, they are merely duplicates of the same thing; <code>#ifexist</code> in nature introduces two lines of similar content: <code><nowiki>{{#ifexist:File:YourFileName.jpg\|ContentIfExists\|ContentIfDoesNotExist}}</nowiki></code> it checks if the given file exists - if not, then something else triggers. Speaking of which, I also wanted to simplify the display of the right column, in which for the next episode segment, solely "the <nowiki>[[next chapter]]</nowiki> will be released in XXXX". Notwithstanding that, I am really grateful for the fact that you aspire to make a difference; I will definitely give you a hand concerning your grand project. If we succeed, then maybe we should try and see how to alter the right column, but I have a fear that by then other editors would have already removed the right column template from the main page (laughs) --[[User:BOBO\|'''<font color="#32CD32">BOBO</font>''']] ([[User talk:BOBO\|talk]]) 22:07, 23 January 2025 (UTC)		:::::::Don't get me wrong (laughs), I am not bragging about how good the current templates are; they still aren't perfect. But what I tried to attain is reducing the number of named parameters (especially having to insert "part 1 or 2 or whatever" requires an extra line with parameter being a little bit wordy such as "Current part") and this downplays the functionality, personally. About the automatic update, I really think we should give up on it, as it still requires editors to change it weekly, it is not worth all that time developing and then realise it is not that effective. Frankly, template is not that complicated as it only looks "overwhelming" because of the number of lines. But if you look closely, they are merely duplicates of the same thing; <code>#ifexist</code> in nature introduces two lines of similar content: <code><nowiki>{{#ifexist:File:YourFileName.jpg\|ContentIfExists\|ContentIfDoesNotExist}}</nowiki></code> it checks if the given file exists - if not, then something else triggers. Speaking of which, I also wanted to simplify the display of the right column, in which for the next episode segment, solely "the <nowiki>[[next chapter]]</nowiki> will be released in XXXX" is rendered. Notwithstanding that, I am really grateful for the fact that you aspire to make a difference; I will definitely give you a hand concerning your grand project. If we succeed, then maybe we should try and see how to alter the right column, but I have a fear that by then other editors would have already removed the right column template from the main page (laughs) --[[User:BOBO\|'''<font color="#32CD32">BOBO</font>''']] ([[User talk:BOBO\|talk]]) 22:07, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

BOBO: /* Complexification */

2025-01-23T22:09:01Z

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	::::::I forgot to mention, I was supposed to write a sentence saying that "Slots 1, 2, and 3 must be in chronological order" in the sandbox today, but I completely forgot. I'll update that very soon though. --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 21:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)		::::::I forgot to mention, I was supposed to write a sentence saying that "Slots 1, 2, and 3 must be in chronological order" in the sandbox today, but I completely forgot. I'll update that very soon though. --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 21:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

	:::::::Don't get me wrong (laughs), I am not bragging about how good the current templates are; they still aren't perfect. But what I tried to attain is reducing the number of named parameters (especially having to insert "part 1 or 2 or whatever" requires an extra line with parameter being a little bit wordy such as "Current part") and this downplays the functionality, personally. About the automatic update, I really think we should give up on it, as it still requires editors to change it weekly, it is not worth all that time developing and then realise it is not that effective. Frankly, template is not that complicated as it only looks "overwhelming" because of the number of lines. But if you look closely, they are merely duplicates of the same thing; <code>#ifexist</code> in nature introduces two lines of similar content: <code>{{#ifexist:File:YourFileName.jpg\|ContentIfExists\|ContentIfDoesNotExist}}</code> it checks if the given file exists - if not, then something else triggers. Speaking of which, I also wanted to simplify the display of the right column, in which for the next episode segment, solely "the <nowiki>[[next chapter]]</nowiki> will be released in XXXX". Notwithstanding that, I am really grateful for the fact that you aspire to make a difference; I will definitely give you a hand concerning your grand project. If we succeed, then maybe we should try and see how to alter the right column, but I have a fear that by then other editors would have already removed the right column template from the main page (laughs) --[[User:BOBO\|'''<font color="#32CD32">BOBO</font>''']] ([[User talk:BOBO\|talk]]) 22:07, 23 January 2025 (UTC)		:::::::Don't get me wrong (laughs), I am not bragging about how good the current templates are; they still aren't perfect. But what I tried to attain is reducing the number of named parameters (especially having to insert "part 1 or 2 or whatever" requires an extra line with parameter being a little bit wordy such as "Current part") and this downplays the functionality, personally. About the automatic update, I really think we should give up on it, as it still requires editors to change it weekly, it is not worth all that time developing and then realise it is not that effective. Frankly, template is not that complicated as it only looks "overwhelming" because of the number of lines. But if you look closely, they are merely duplicates of the same thing; <code>#ifexist</code> in nature introduces two lines of similar content: <code><nowiki>{{#ifexist:File:YourFileName.jpg\|ContentIfExists\|ContentIfDoesNotExist}}</nowiki></code> it checks if the given file exists - if not, then something else triggers. Speaking of which, I also wanted to simplify the display of the right column, in which for the next episode segment, solely "the <nowiki>[[next chapter]]</nowiki> will be released in XXXX". Notwithstanding that, I am really grateful for the fact that you aspire to make a difference; I will definitely give you a hand concerning your grand project. If we succeed, then maybe we should try and see how to alter the right column, but I have a fear that by then other editors would have already removed the right column template from the main page (laughs) --[[User:BOBO\|'''<font color="#32CD32">BOBO</font>''']] ([[User talk:BOBO\|talk]]) 22:07, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

BOBO: /* Complexification */

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	::::::I forgot to mention, I was supposed to write a sentence saying that "Slots 1, 2, and 3 must be in chronological order" in the sandbox today, but I completely forgot. I'll update that very soon though. --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 21:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)		::::::I forgot to mention, I was supposed to write a sentence saying that "Slots 1, 2, and 3 must be in chronological order" in the sandbox today, but I completely forgot. I'll update that very soon though. --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 21:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

	:::::::Don't get me wrong (laughs), I am not bragging about how good the current templates are; they still aren't perfect. But what I tried to attain is reducing the number of parameters (especially having to insert "part 1 or 2 or whatever" requires an extra line with parameter being a little bit wordy such as "Current part") and this downplays the functionality, personally. About the automatic update, I really think we should give up on it, as it still requires editors to change it weekly, it is not worth all that time developing and then realise it is not that effective. Frankly, template is not that complicated as it only looks "overwhelming" because of the number of lines. But if you look closely, they are merely duplicates of the same thing; <code>#ifexist</code> in nature introduces two lines of similar content: <code>{{#ifexist:File:YourFileName.jpg\|ContentIfExists\|ContentIfDoesNotExist}}</code> it checks if the given file exists - if not, then something else triggers. Speaking of which, I also wanted to simplify the display of the right column, in which for the next episode segment, solely "the <nowiki>[[next chapter]]</nowiki> will be released in XXXX". Notwithstanding that, I am really grateful for the fact that you aspire to make a difference; I will definitely give you a hand concerning your grand project. If we succeed, then maybe we should try and see how to alter the right column, but I have a fear that by then other editors would have already removed the right column template from the main page (laughs) --[[User:BOBO\|'''<font color="#32CD32">BOBO</font>''']] ([[User talk:BOBO\|talk]]) 22:07, 23 January 2025 (UTC)		:::::::Don't get me wrong (laughs), I am not bragging about how good the current templates are; they still aren't perfect. But what I tried to attain is reducing the number of named parameters (especially having to insert "part 1 or 2 or whatever" requires an extra line with parameter being a little bit wordy such as "Current part") and this downplays the functionality, personally. About the automatic update, I really think we should give up on it, as it still requires editors to change it weekly, it is not worth all that time developing and then realise it is not that effective. Frankly, template is not that complicated as it only looks "overwhelming" because of the number of lines. But if you look closely, they are merely duplicates of the same thing; <code>#ifexist</code> in nature introduces two lines of similar content: <code>{{#ifexist:File:YourFileName.jpg\|ContentIfExists\|ContentIfDoesNotExist}}</code> it checks if the given file exists - if not, then something else triggers. Speaking of which, I also wanted to simplify the display of the right column, in which for the next episode segment, solely "the <nowiki>[[next chapter]]</nowiki> will be released in XXXX". Notwithstanding that, I am really grateful for the fact that you aspire to make a difference; I will definitely give you a hand concerning your grand project. If we succeed, then maybe we should try and see how to alter the right column, but I have a fear that by then other editors would have already removed the right column template from the main page (laughs) --[[User:BOBO\|'''<font color="#32CD32">BOBO</font>''']] ([[User talk:BOBO\|talk]]) 22:07, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

BOBO: /* Complexification */

2025-01-23T22:07:52Z

Complexification

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	::::::I forgot to mention, I was supposed to write a sentence saying that "Slots 1, 2, and 3 must be in chronological order" in the sandbox today, but I completely forgot. I'll update that very soon though. --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 21:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)		::::::I forgot to mention, I was supposed to write a sentence saying that "Slots 1, 2, and 3 must be in chronological order" in the sandbox today, but I completely forgot. I'll update that very soon though. --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 21:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

	:::::::Don't get me wrong (laughs), I am not bragging about how good the current templates are; they still aren't perfect. But what I tried to attain is the parameters (especially having to insert "part 1 or 2 or whatever" requires an extra line with parameter being a little bit wordy such as "Current part") and this downplays the functionality, personally. About the automatic update, I really think we should give up on it, as it still requires editors to change it weekly, it is not worth all that time developing and then realise it is not that effective. Frankly, template is not that complicated as it only looks "overwhelming" because of the number of lines. But if you look closely, they are merely duplicates of the same thing; <code>#ifexist</code> in nature introduces two lines of similar content: <code>{{#ifexist:File:YourFileName.jpg\|ContentIfExists\|ContentIfDoesNotExist}}</code> it checks if the given file exists - if not, then something else triggers. Speaking of which, I also wanted to simplify the display of the right column, in which for the next episode segment, solely "the <nowiki>[[next chapter]]</nowiki> will be released in XXXX". Notwithstanding that, I am really grateful for the fact that you aspire to make a difference; I will definitely give you a hand concerning your grand project. If we succeed, then maybe we should try and see how to alter the right column, but I have a fear that by then other editors would have already removed the right column template from the main page (laughs) --[[User:BOBO\|'''<font color="#32CD32">BOBO</font>''']] ([[User talk:BOBO\|talk]]) 22:07, 23 January 2025 (UTC)		:::::::Don't get me wrong (laughs), I am not bragging about how good the current templates are; they still aren't perfect. But what I tried to attain is reducing the number of parameters (especially having to insert "part 1 or 2 or whatever" requires an extra line with parameter being a little bit wordy such as "Current part") and this downplays the functionality, personally. About the automatic update, I really think we should give up on it, as it still requires editors to change it weekly, it is not worth all that time developing and then realise it is not that effective. Frankly, template is not that complicated as it only looks "overwhelming" because of the number of lines. But if you look closely, they are merely duplicates of the same thing; <code>#ifexist</code> in nature introduces two lines of similar content: <code>{{#ifexist:File:YourFileName.jpg\|ContentIfExists\|ContentIfDoesNotExist}}</code> it checks if the given file exists - if not, then something else triggers. Speaking of which, I also wanted to simplify the display of the right column, in which for the next episode segment, solely "the <nowiki>[[next chapter]]</nowiki> will be released in XXXX". Notwithstanding that, I am really grateful for the fact that you aspire to make a difference; I will definitely give you a hand concerning your grand project. If we succeed, then maybe we should try and see how to alter the right column, but I have a fear that by then other editors would have already removed the right column template from the main page (laughs) --[[User:BOBO\|'''<font color="#32CD32">BOBO</font>''']] ([[User talk:BOBO\|talk]]) 22:07, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

BOBO at 22:07, 23 January 2025

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	::::::You realize that [[Template:Appear ed]], [[Template:Appear ep]], [[Template:Appear file]], [[Template:Appear movie]], [[Template:Appear op]], [[Template:Appear special file]] are all much simpler than your [[Template:LE]], right (laughs)? Anyway, the slots in my version of the Rightcolumn template are there for when we '''do''' have information one or two weeks ahead, and that's usually with the canon cases. There's a reason why I called it "semi-automatic", because we still have to manually update the episodes. The bonus is that if I can incorporate [[Template:timeDiff]], then the moment the episode broadcasts, it automatically switches into the latest episode slot. In any case though, I think it's going to be a lot simpler to manage than the monstrosity in [[Template:LE]] (which is why I started this discussion, kind of putting the stops in so that we don't complicate things further). --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 21:52, 23 January 2025 (UTC)		::::::You realize that [[Template:Appear ed]], [[Template:Appear ep]], [[Template:Appear file]], [[Template:Appear movie]], [[Template:Appear op]], [[Template:Appear special file]] are all much simpler than your [[Template:LE]], right (laughs)? Anyway, the slots in my version of the Rightcolumn template are there for when we '''do''' have information one or two weeks ahead, and that's usually with the canon cases. There's a reason why I called it "semi-automatic", because we still have to manually update the episodes. The bonus is that if I can incorporate [[Template:timeDiff]], then the moment the episode broadcasts, it automatically switches into the latest episode slot. In any case though, I think it's going to be a lot simpler to manage than the monstrosity in [[Template:LE]] (which is why I started this discussion, kind of putting the stops in so that we don't complicate things further). --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 21:52, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
	::::::I forgot to mention, I was supposed to write a sentence saying that "Slots 1, 2, and 3 must be in chronological order" in the sandbox today, but I completely forgot. I'll update that very soon though. --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 21:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)		::::::I forgot to mention, I was supposed to write a sentence saying that "Slots 1, 2, and 3 must be in chronological order" in the sandbox today, but I completely forgot. I'll update that very soon though. --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 21:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

			:::::::Don't get me wrong (laughs), I am not bragging about how good the current templates are; they still aren't perfect. But what I tried to attain is the parameters (especially having to insert "part 1 or 2 or whatever" requires an extra line with parameter being a little bit wordy such as "Current part") and this downplays the functionality, personally. About the automatic update, I really think we should give up on it, as it still requires editors to change it weekly, it is not worth all that time developing and then realise it is not that effective. Frankly, template is not that complicated as it only looks "overwhelming" because of the number of lines. But if you look closely, they are merely duplicates of the same thing; <code>#ifexist</code> in nature introduces two lines of similar content: <code>{{#ifexist:File:YourFileName.jpg\|ContentIfExists\|ContentIfDoesNotExist}}</code> it checks if the given file exists - if not, then something else triggers. Speaking of which, I also wanted to simplify the display of the right column, in which for the next episode segment, solely "the <nowiki>[[next chapter]]</nowiki> will be released in XXXX". Notwithstanding that, I am really grateful for the fact that you aspire to make a difference; I will definitely give you a hand concerning your grand project. If we succeed, then maybe we should try and see how to alter the right column, but I have a fear that by then other editors would have already removed the right column template from the main page (laughs) --[[User:BOBO\|'''<font color="#32CD32">BOBO</font>''']] ([[User talk:BOBO\|talk]]) 22:07, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

AvidConanContributor: /* Complexification */

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	== Complexification ==		== Complexification ==
	G'day BOBO (or good afternoon or good evening)! I see that you've been diligently working on simplifying the front end part of this Rightcolumn template. But as for the backend [[Template:LE\|LE]] template, (and to be honest) it looks complicated. I'm assuming there's a very good reason you're taking it this far, the problem, I don't know what that is exactly.		G'day [[User:BOBO\|BOBO]] (or good afternoon or good evening)! I see that you've been diligently working on simplifying the front end part of this Rightcolumn template. But as for the backend [[Template:LE\|LE]] template, (and to be honest) it looks complicated. I'm assuming there's a very good reason you're taking it this far, the problem, I don't know what that is exactly.

	Thus far, I've had ChatGPT dissect the template setup, and from what it describes, I think this complex setup isn't really needed (don't take this personally). As an example, as of the 18:53 edit on the LE template, most of the wikitext in Template:LE is being used to automatically find the case's image. From what you could see in my[[User:AvidConanContributor/sandbox\|sandbox]], I was expecting this to be manual, after all it isn't much of a hassle to find the names of the case images.		Thus far, I've had ChatGPT dissect the template setup, and from what it describes, I think this complex setup isn't really needed (don't take this personally). As an example, as of the 18:53 edit on the LE template, most of the wikitext in Template:LE is being used to automatically find the case's image. From what you could see in my [[User:AvidConanContributor/sandbox\|sandbox]], I was expecting this to be manual, after all it isn't much of a hassle to find the names of the case images.

	In general, I think it is best if we balance between what is automatically done by the template and what isn't. This is, most notably, to keep the templates simple enough for future debugging. But, by all means, if you have a more important reason that you would like to share, and that reason backs up the complexity of the templates, then please continue development in that direction. Your thoughts are appreciated. --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 19:05, 23 January 2025 (UTC)		In general, I think it is best if we balance between what is automatically done by the template and what isn't. This is, most notably, to keep the templates simple enough for future debugging. But, by all means, if you have a more important reason that you would like to share, and that reason backs up the complexity of the templates, then please continue development in that direction. Your thoughts are appreciated. --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 19:05, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

AvidConanContributor at 21:54, 23 January 2025

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	::::::You realize that [[Template:Appear ed]], [[Template:Appear ep]], [[Template:Appear file]], [[Template:Appear movie]], [[Template:Appear op]], [[Template:Appear special file]] are all much simpler than your [[Template:LE]], right (laughs)? Anyway, the slots in my version of the Rightcolumn template are there for when we '''do''' have information one or two weeks ahead, and that's usually with the canon cases. There's a reason why I called it "semi-automatic", because we still have to manually update the episodes. The bonus is that if I can incorporate [[Template:timeDiff]], then the moment the episode broadcasts, it automatically switches into the latest episode slot. In any case though, I think it's going to be a lot simpler to manage than the monstrosity in [[Template:LE]] (which is why I started this discussion, kind of putting the stops in so that we don't complicate things further). --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 21:52, 23 January 2025 (UTC)		::::::You realize that [[Template:Appear ed]], [[Template:Appear ep]], [[Template:Appear file]], [[Template:Appear movie]], [[Template:Appear op]], [[Template:Appear special file]] are all much simpler than your [[Template:LE]], right (laughs)? Anyway, the slots in my version of the Rightcolumn template are there for when we '''do''' have information one or two weeks ahead, and that's usually with the canon cases. There's a reason why I called it "semi-automatic", because we still have to manually update the episodes. The bonus is that if I can incorporate [[Template:timeDiff]], then the moment the episode broadcasts, it automatically switches into the latest episode slot. In any case though, I think it's going to be a lot simpler to manage than the monstrosity in [[Template:LE]] (which is why I started this discussion, kind of putting the stops in so that we don't complicate things further). --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 21:52, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::I forgot to mention, I was supposed to write a sentence saying that "Slots 1, 2, and 3 must be in chronological order" in the sandbox today, but I completely forgot. I'll update that very soon though. --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 21:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

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	:::::I have seen your sandbox just now! Please promise me that you won't be upset with me after I say this (laughs). I can find similarities with the first version of the [[Template:Latest news]]. The reason I created [[Template:LE]] and [[Template:NE]] was to avoid the parameters being too much; I do not think having a lot of templates is an issue as I only had the guts to do this after seeing our senior editors creating [[Template:Appear ed]], [[Template:Appear ep]], [[Template:Appear file]], [[Template:Appear movie]], [[Template:Appear op]], [[Template:Appear special file]]... (laughs) Your idea is pretty nice, I must admit, but having three slots causes a bit of ambiguity to me? And at the end of the day, we might not be able to acquire the air schedules beyond one week. Even if it is automatic, we would also have to modify regularly as the titles and air dates might need adjustments. Please don't get mad at me lol, I look forward to hearing your opinions --[[User:BOBO\|'''<font color="#32CD32">BOBO</font>''']] ([[User talk:BOBO\|talk]]) 21:45, 23 January 2025 (UTC)		:::::I have seen your sandbox just now! Please promise me that you won't be upset with me after I say this (laughs). I can find similarities with the first version of the [[Template:Latest news]]. The reason I created [[Template:LE]] and [[Template:NE]] was to avoid the parameters being too much; I do not think having a lot of templates is an issue as I only had the guts to do this after seeing our senior editors creating [[Template:Appear ed]], [[Template:Appear ep]], [[Template:Appear file]], [[Template:Appear movie]], [[Template:Appear op]], [[Template:Appear special file]]... (laughs) Your idea is pretty nice, I must admit, but having three slots causes a bit of ambiguity to me? And at the end of the day, we might not be able to acquire the air schedules beyond one week. Even if it is automatic, we would also have to modify regularly as the titles and air dates might need adjustments. Please don't get mad at me lol, I look forward to hearing your opinions --[[User:BOBO\|'''<font color="#32CD32">BOBO</font>''']] ([[User talk:BOBO\|talk]]) 21:45, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

			::::::You realize that [[Template:Appear ed]], [[Template:Appear ep]], [[Template:Appear file]], [[Template:Appear movie]], [[Template:Appear op]], [[Template:Appear special file]] are all much simpler than your [[Template:LE]], right (laughs)? Anyway, the slots in my version of the Rightcolumn template are there for when we '''do''' have information one or two weeks ahead, and that's usually with the canon cases. There's a reason why I called it "semi-automatic", because we still have to manually update the episodes. The bonus is that if I can incorporate [[Template:timeDiff]], then the moment the episode broadcasts, it automatically switches into the latest episode slot. In any case though, I think it's going to be a lot simpler to manage than the monstrosity in [[Template:LE]] (which is why I started this discussion, kind of putting the stops in so that we don't complicate things further). --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 21:52, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

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	::::::You realize that [[Template:Appear ed]], [[Template:Appear ep]], [[Template:Appear file]], [[Template:Appear movie]], [[Template:Appear op]], [[Template:Appear special file]] are all much simpler than your [[Template:LE]], right (laughs)? Anyway, the slots in my version of the Rightcolumn template are there for when we '''do''' have information one or two weeks ahead, and that's usually with the canon cases. There's a reason why I called it "semi-automatic", because we still have to manually update the episodes. The bonus is that if I can incorporate [[Template:timeDiff]], then the moment the episode broadcasts, it automatically switches into the latest episode slot. In any case though, I think it's going to be a lot simpler to manage than the monstrosity in [[Template:LE]] (which is why I started this discussion, kind of putting the stops in so that we don't complicate things further). --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 21:52, 23 January 2025 (UTC)		::::::You realize that [[Template:Appear ed]], [[Template:Appear ep]], [[Template:Appear file]], [[Template:Appear movie]], [[Template:Appear op]], [[Template:Appear special file]] are all much simpler than your [[Template:LE]], right (laughs)? Anyway, the slots in my version of the Rightcolumn template are there for when we '''do''' have information one or two weeks ahead, and that's usually with the canon cases. There's a reason why I called it "semi-automatic", because we still have to manually update the episodes. The bonus is that if I can incorporate [[Template:timeDiff]], then the moment the episode broadcasts, it automatically switches into the latest episode slot. In any case though, I think it's going to be a lot simpler to manage than the monstrosity in [[Template:LE]] (which is why I started this discussion, kind of putting the stops in so that we don't complicate things further). --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 21:52, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
	::::::I forgot to mention, I was supposed to write a sentence saying that "Slots 1, 2, and 3 must be in chronological order" in the sandbox today, but I completely forgot. I'll update that very soon though. --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 21:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)		::::::I forgot to mention, I was supposed to write a sentence saying that "Slots 1, 2, and 3 must be in chronological order" in the sandbox today, but I completely forgot. I'll update that very soon though. --[[User:AvidConanContributor\|Avico]] ([[User talk:AvidConanContributor\|talk]]) 21:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

			:::::::Don't get me wrong (laughs), I am not bragging about how good the current templates are; they still aren't perfect. But what I tried to attain is the parameters (especially having to insert "part 1 or 2 or whatever" requires an extra line with parameter being a little bit wordy such as "Current part") and this downplays the functionality, personally. About the automatic update, I really think we should give up on it, as it still requires editors to change it weekly, it is not worth all that time developing and then realise it is not that effective. Frankly, template is not that complicated as it only looks "overwhelming" because of the number of lines. But if you look closely, they are merely duplicates of the same thing; <code>#ifexist</code> in nature introduces two lines of similar content: <code>{{#ifexist:File:YourFileName.jpg\|ContentIfExists\|ContentIfDoesNotExist}}</code> it checks if the given file exists - if not, then something else triggers. Speaking of which, I also wanted to simplify the display of the right column, in which for the next episode segment, solely "the <nowiki>[[next chapter]]</nowiki> will be released in XXXX". Notwithstanding that, I am really grateful for the fact that you aspire to make a difference; I will definitely give you a hand concerning your grand project. If we succeed, then maybe we should try and see how to alter the right column, but I have a fear that by then other editors would have already removed the right column template from the main page (laughs) --[[User:BOBO\|'''<font color="#32CD32">BOBO</font>''']] ([[User talk:BOBO\|talk]]) 22:07, 23 January 2025 (UTC)