Talk:Clash of Red and Black - Revision history

DavidHolandaOne at 05:00, 18 May 2026

2026-05-18T05:00:36Z

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	:I didn't get any response so I changed it to the proposed version. If you don't like it, change it back and let's discuss it. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 23:48, 29 June 2011 (UTC)		:I didn't get any response so I changed it to the proposed version. If you don't like it, change it back and let's discuss it. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 23:48, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
	::Just letting you know that I think this is gorgeous. Completely for your changes. <3 [[User:CarpetCrawler\|<span style="color:#660066">'''''Carpet'''''</span><span style="color:#000033">'''''Crawler'''''</span>]][[User_talk:CarpetCrawler\|<span style="color:#990033"><sup>'''''message me'''''</sup></span>]] 03:30, 30 June 2011 (UTC)		::Just letting you know that I think this is gorgeous. Completely for your changes. <3 [[User:CarpetCrawler\|<span style="color:#660066">'''''Carpet'''''</span><span style="color:#000033">'''''Crawler'''''</span>]][[User_talk:CarpetCrawler\|<span style="color:#990033"><sup>'''''message me'''''</sup></span>]] 03:30, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

			== Proposition to split the Clash of Red and Black in multiple episode pages ==
			Due to its story arc page documenting events of '''14''' episodes, making it all-in-one-page just made the page feel bloated. I think it'd make things more organized if the arc are separated for episode range of each case, already listed in the sections.
			What I propose is that we turn "Clash of Red and Black" main page into a short episode page offering a little summary about its events, and a table listing links for its separate episodes pages. And these separate Clash of Red and Black episode pages would serve as normal episode pages for each case in this arc. So we can make things more easy without bloating the page.

			[[User:DavidHolandaOne\|DavidHolandaOne]] ([[User talk:DavidHolandaOne\|talk]]) 05:00, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

192.88.135.10: Deleting my messages S261157

2022-02-08T04:55:52Z

Deleting my messages S261157

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	Perhaps include a spoiler alert over the mention of akai shuuichi dying here.		Perhaps include a spoiler alert over the mention of akai shuuichi dying here.

	It doesn't hurt to specify appearances per episode (it can be useful actually). But if you disagree, please use the Talk page instead of making a huge edit like that of your own accord. Thanks. --[[User talk:Maurice\|Maurice]].
	:I am with Maurice on this on having the cast listed for each episode. Red vs. Black is the longest anime arc and the characters do switch up between the subcases. My policy is the more information, and more specificity, the better. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 16:20, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
	~~::Look, Mr. MacGuffin, this is a talk between Maurice-sama and me. Mind your own business and this doesn't compromises your judgement. --[[User:S261157\|S261157]] 17:30, 17 April 2011 (UTC)~~
	:::Minding your own business is not how wikis work. Wikis are a ''collaborative'' project, meaning anyone can give input on anything they want because everything on a wiki is public. Also you never remove another user's talk page message from another user's talk page unless it is offensive (e.g. obviously insulting or vandalism). This is a blockable offense. Consider this your first warning. Furthermore, I found your message on my talk page rude. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 18:24, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
	:I also think that this arc contains lots of different plots and twists which cause the cast to almost completely change from an episode to another. This is worth noting as it does slightly reveal the way the plot progresses and inform the reader of the sequential appearances of the characters. --[[User:Maurice\|Maurice]] 12:17, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

	And please don't take actions while the discussion is ongoing and do remain polite! '''And remember that the wiki is NOT a personal project. It's a TEAM effort.''' You can't just decide that something should be some way just because YOU don't like it: if there are other different opinions (like it is the case here), a unanimous consensus should be reached first before updating the page. --[[User:Maurice\|Maurice]] 12:11, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
	~~:Compromise-wise, perhaps we can limit the cast listings to just the episodes that mark the start of a new subcase in Red vs Black. The subcases are...~~
	~~:*Blood truth 491~~
	~~:*A mother's memento 492-494~~
	~~:*The fake patient 495-497~~
	~~:*Last resort 498-500~~
	~~:*Friday the 13th/Wedge of steel 501-504~~
	:It would cut down on the number of repeating cast rows, but the downside is less character specificity. [http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/index.php?title=Clash_of_Red_and_Black&oldid=26780 This is what the page would look like if the cast was limited to being listed at the beginning of new sub-cases.] [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 04:14, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

	~~== Understood ==~~
	~~As you command, Maurice-sama. :) --[[User:S261157\|S261157]] 20:39, 21 April 2011 (UTC)~~

	== Proposition for new Clash format==		== Proposition for new Clash format==

99.98.108.195: /* Character appearances */

2013-03-03T12:28:11Z

Character appearances

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	Discussion regarding the display of several character appearances tables per episodes (copy/pasted from user talk pages):		Discussion regarding the display of several character appearances tables per episodes (copy/pasted from user talk pages):

			Perhaps include a spoiler alert over the mention of akai shuuichi dying here.

	It doesn't hurt to specify appearances per episode (it can be useful actually). But if you disagree, please use the Talk page instead of making a huge edit like that of your own accord. Thanks. --[[User talk:Maurice\|Maurice]].		It doesn't hurt to specify appearances per episode (it can be useful actually). But if you disagree, please use the Talk page instead of making a huge edit like that of your own accord. Thanks. --[[User talk:Maurice\|Maurice]].

CarpetCrawler: /* Proposition for new Clash format */ <33333

2011-06-30T03:30:32Z

Proposition for new Clash format: <33333

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	In the process of doing so, I reduced the number of castlists which was a point of contention before. Because of spoilers, I had to make entire anime episodes part of the resolution which is why there are multiple subsections in several resolution boxes. I also included an overall resolution section that gives a basic summary of all the revelations with links to make reading out easier. I would like to hear your thoughts on the overall concept. (nitty gritty like names, spelling, and stuff can be worked out later.) [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 01:30, 23 June 2011 (UTC)		In the process of doing so, I reduced the number of castlists which was a point of contention before. Because of spoilers, I had to make entire anime episodes part of the resolution which is why there are multiple subsections in several resolution boxes. I also included an overall resolution section that gives a basic summary of all the revelations with links to make reading out easier. I would like to hear your thoughts on the overall concept. (nitty gritty like names, spelling, and stuff can be worked out later.) [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 01:30, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
	:I didn't get any response so I changed it to the proposed version. If you don't like it, change it back and let's discuss it. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 23:48, 29 June 2011 (UTC)		:I didn't get any response so I changed it to the proposed version. If you don't like it, change it back and let's discuss it. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 23:48, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
			::Just letting you know that I think this is gorgeous. Completely for your changes. <3 [[User:CarpetCrawler\|<span style="color:#660066">'''''Carpet'''''</span><span style="color:#000033">'''''Crawler'''''</span>]][[User_talk:CarpetCrawler\|<span style="color:#990033"><sup>'''''message me'''''</sup></span>]] 03:30, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Chekhov MacGuffin: /* Proposition for new Clash format */ update

2011-06-29T23:48:15Z

Proposition for new Clash format: update

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	*Friday the 13th/Wedge of steel 501-504		*Friday the 13th/Wedge of steel 501-504
	In the process of doing so, I reduced the number of castlists which was a point of contention before. Because of spoilers, I had to make entire anime episodes part of the resolution which is why there are multiple subsections in several resolution boxes. I also included an overall resolution section that gives a basic summary of all the revelations with links to make reading out easier. I would like to hear your thoughts on the overall concept. (nitty gritty like names, spelling, and stuff can be worked out later.) [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 01:30, 23 June 2011 (UTC)		In the process of doing so, I reduced the number of castlists which was a point of contention before. Because of spoilers, I had to make entire anime episodes part of the resolution which is why there are multiple subsections in several resolution boxes. I also included an overall resolution section that gives a basic summary of all the revelations with links to make reading out easier. I would like to hear your thoughts on the overall concept. (nitty gritty like names, spelling, and stuff can be worked out later.) [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 01:30, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
			:I didn't get any response so I changed it to the proposed version. If you don't like it, change it back and let's discuss it. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 23:48, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Chekhov MacGuffin: /* Proposition */ edit slightly

2011-06-23T01:31:28Z

Proposition: edit slightly

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	As you command, Maurice-sama. :) --[[User:S261157\|S261157]] 20:39, 21 April 2011 (UTC)		As you command, Maurice-sama. :) --[[User:S261157\|S261157]] 20:39, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

	== Proposition ==		== Proposition for new Clash format==

	[[User:Chekhov MacGuffin/Latest case\|I am proposing a new version of the page seen here]] (~~note~~ to future readers, the page may have been overwritten)		[[User:Chekhov MacGuffin/Latest case\|I am proposing a new version of the page which can be seen here.]] (Note to future readers, the page may have been overwritten.)

	I divided Clash into specific subcases which are formatted similarly to normal cases with cast list, situation, crime infoboxes, people, and resolution. The subcases are:		I divided Clash into specific subcases which are formatted similarly to normal cases with cast list, situation, crime infoboxes, people, and resolution. The subcases are:
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	*Last resort 498-500		*Last resort 498-500
	*Friday the 13th/Wedge of steel 501-504		*Friday the 13th/Wedge of steel 501-504
	In the process of doing so, I reduced the number of castlists which was a point of contention before. Because of spoilers I had to make entire anime episodes part of the resolution which is why there are multiple subsections. I also included an overall resolution section that gives a basic summary of all the revelations ~~made at the end~~ with links to make reading out easier. I would like to hear your thoughts on the overall concept. (nitty gritty like names, spelling, and stuff can be worked out later.) [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 01:30, 23 June 2011 (UTC)		In the process of doing so, I reduced the number of castlists which was a point of contention before. Because of spoilers, I had to make entire anime episodes part of the resolution which is why there are multiple subsections in several resolution boxes. I also included an overall resolution section that gives a basic summary of all the revelations with links to make reading out easier. I would like to hear your thoughts on the overall concept. (nitty gritty like names, spelling, and stuff can be worked out later.) [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 01:30, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Chekhov MacGuffin: /* Proposition */ new section

2011-06-23T01:30:00Z

Proposition: new section

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	== Understood ==		== Understood ==
	As you command, Maurice-sama. :) --[[User:S261157\|S261157]] 20:39, 21 April 2011 (UTC)		As you command, Maurice-sama. :) --[[User:S261157\|S261157]] 20:39, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

			== Proposition ==

			[[User:Chekhov MacGuffin/Latest case\|I am proposing a new version of the page seen here]] (note to future readers, the page may have been overwritten)

			I divided Clash into specific subcases which are formatted similarly to normal cases with cast list, situation, crime infoboxes, people, and resolution. The subcases are:
			*Blood truth 491
			*A mother's memento 492-494
			*The fake patient 495-497
			*Last resort 498-500
			*Friday the 13th/Wedge of steel 501-504
			In the process of doing so, I reduced the number of castlists which was a point of contention before. Because of spoilers I had to make entire anime episodes part of the resolution which is why there are multiple subsections. I also included an overall resolution section that gives a basic summary of all the revelations made at the end with links to make reading out easier. I would like to hear your thoughts on the overall concept. (nitty gritty like names, spelling, and stuff can be worked out later.) [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 01:30, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Chekhov MacGuffin: /* Character appearances */ potential compromise

2011-04-22T04:14:16Z

Character appearances: potential compromise

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	And please don't take actions while the discussion is ongoing and do remain polite! '''And remember that the wiki is NOT a personal project. It's a TEAM effort.''' You can't just decide that something should be some way just because YOU don't like it: if there are other different opinions (like it is the case here), a unanimous consensus should be reached first before updating the page. --[[User:Maurice\|Maurice]] 12:11, 21 April 2011 (UTC)		And please don't take actions while the discussion is ongoing and do remain polite! '''And remember that the wiki is NOT a personal project. It's a TEAM effort.''' You can't just decide that something should be some way just because YOU don't like it: if there are other different opinions (like it is the case here), a unanimous consensus should be reached first before updating the page. --[[User:Maurice\|Maurice]] 12:11, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
			:Compromise-wise, perhaps we can limit the cast listings to just the episodes that mark the start of a new subcase in Red vs Black. The subcases are...
			:*Blood truth 491
			:*A mother's memento 492-494
			:*The fake patient 495-497
			:*Last resort 498-500
			:*Friday the 13th/Wedge of steel 501-504
			:It would cut down on the number of repeating cast rows, but the downside is less character specificity. [http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/index.php?title=Clash_of_Red_and_Black&oldid=26780 This is what the page would look like if the cast was limited to being listed at the beginning of new sub-cases.] [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 04:14, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

	== Understood ==		== Understood ==
	As you command, Maurice-sama. :) --[[User:S261157\|S261157]] 20:39, 21 April 2011 (UTC)		As you command, Maurice-sama. :) --[[User:S261157\|S261157]] 20:39, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

S261157: /* Understood */

2011-04-21T20:39:59Z

Understood

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	== Understood ==		== Understood ==
	As you command, Maurice-sama. :) --[[User:S261157\|S261157]] 17:30, 17 April 2011 (UTC)		As you command, Maurice-sama. :) --[[User:S261157\|S261157]] 20:39, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

S261157: /* Character appearances */

2011-04-21T20:39:34Z

Character appearances

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	And please don't take actions while the discussion is ongoing and do remain polite! '''And remember that the wiki is NOT a personal project. It's a TEAM effort.''' You can't just decide that something should be some way just because YOU don't like it: if there are other different opinions (like it is the case here), a unanimous consensus should be reached first before updating the page. --[[User:Maurice\|Maurice]] 12:11, 21 April 2011 (UTC)		And please don't take actions while the discussion is ongoing and do remain polite! '''And remember that the wiki is NOT a personal project. It's a TEAM effort.''' You can't just decide that something should be some way just because YOU don't like it: if there are other different opinions (like it is the case here), a unanimous consensus should be reached first before updating the page. --[[User:Maurice\|Maurice]] 12:11, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

			== Understood ==
			As you command, Maurice-sama. :) --[[User:S261157\|S261157]] 17:30, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

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	In the process of doing so, I reduced the number of castlists which was a point of contention before. Because of spoilers, I had to make entire anime episodes part of the resolution which is why there are multiple subsections in several resolution boxes. I also included an overall resolution section that gives a basic summary of all the revelations with links to make reading out easier. I would like to hear your thoughts on the overall concept. (nitty gritty like names, spelling, and stuff can be worked out later.) [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 01:30, 23 June 2011 (UTC)		In the process of doing so, I reduced the number of castlists which was a point of contention before. Because of spoilers, I had to make entire anime episodes part of the resolution which is why there are multiple subsections in several resolution boxes. I also included an overall resolution section that gives a basic summary of all the revelations with links to make reading out easier. I would like to hear your thoughts on the overall concept. (nitty gritty like names, spelling, and stuff can be worked out later.) [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 01:30, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
	:I didn't get any response so I changed it to the proposed version. If you don't like it, change it back and let's discuss it. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 23:48, 29 June 2011 (UTC)		:I didn't get any response so I changed it to the proposed version. If you don't like it, change it back and let's discuss it. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 23:48, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
			::Just letting you know that I think this is gorgeous. Completely for your changes. <3 [[User:CarpetCrawler\|<span style="color:#660066">'''''Carpet'''''</span><span style="color:#000033">'''''Crawler'''''</span>]][[User_talk:CarpetCrawler\|<span style="color:#990033"><sup>'''''message me'''''</sup></span>]] 03:30, 30 June 2011 (UTC)