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192.88.135.10: Deleting my messages S261157

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Deleting my messages S261157

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	My solution to our extensive Character list is to simply create a page similar to the "Minor recurring characters" page for "Notable case characters". Information currently on those with profile pages can be moved to this new page and the old profile pages be deleted. I understand we want to provide as much information as possible, but seriously, some of these characters I don't see why they need to be listed on the main characters page. --[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 07:02, 25 November 2011 (UTC)		My solution to our extensive Character list is to simply create a page similar to the "Minor recurring characters" page for "Notable case characters". Information currently on those with profile pages can be moved to this new page and the old profile pages be deleted. I understand we want to provide as much information as possible, but seriously, some of these characters I don't see why they need to be listed on the main characters page. --[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 07:02, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
	: Or, we could just have a "List of Minor Characters" (or "List of Supporting Characters," whatever you want to call them) and then group them into sections, i.e. Recurring in the Manga, Recurring in the Anime and Notable Case. And then, we could also format it like the Characters page for consistency. And yeah, if their profile pages don't have that much info, I agree that we should just delete them to avoid clutter.--[[User:Lashedcheek\|lashedcheek]] 15:12, 25 November 2011 (UTC)		: Or, we could just have a "List of Minor Characters" (or "List of Supporting Characters," whatever you want to call them) and then group them into sections, i.e. Recurring in the Manga, Recurring in the Anime and Notable Case. And then, we could also format it like the Characters page for consistency. And yeah, if their profile pages don't have that much info, I agree that we should just delete them to avoid clutter.--[[User:Lashedcheek\|lashedcheek]] 15:12, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
			::The problem with keeping profiles for characters with keyholes is that often, they're only important for a single case that occurred in that volume. An entire page is simply overkill, when a Notable Case Characters page could consolidate that information and the minor recurring characters can be on the Minor Recurring Characters page. The keyhole can link to those pages. Also, if a character is big or recurring enough to be on the Characters page and have a profile, like Hideo or Sumiko, they probably don't need a mention on the Minor Recurring Characters page. I also think that Midori Megure is a notable case character and Midori Kuriyama is a minor recurring character who don't need profile pages, while the speculation over Fusae Campbell might make it worth leaving her page as-is.--[[User:Ocianne\|Ocianne]] 17:38, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
	~~::We should keep the characters profile that links to keyhole number of volume book. That's still fine. --[[User:S261157\|S261157]] 15:19, 25 November 2011 (UTC)~~		:::I think the list is good, but I'm for keeping the profile pages of some of the characters with the criteria that Ocianne suggested. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 17:46, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
			::::As Ocianne stated, a whole profile page for a character who is in a keyhole but only appears for one case is ridiculous. I'm following Ocianne and Chek's suggestions.--[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 18:57, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
	:::The problem with keeping profiles for characters with keyholes is that often, they're only important for a single case that occurred in that volume. An entire page is simply overkill, when a Notable Case Characters page could consolidate that information and the minor recurring characters can be on the Minor Recurring Characters page. The keyhole can link to those pages. Also, if a character is big or recurring enough to be on the Characters page and have a profile, like Hideo or Sumiko, they probably don't need a mention on the Minor Recurring Characters page. I also think that Midori Megure is a notable case character and Midori Kuriyama is a minor recurring character who don't need profile pages, while the speculation over Fusae Campbell might make it worth leaving her page as-is.--[[User:Ocianne\|Ocianne]] 17:38, 25 November 2011 (UTC)		:::::Woah woah woah. While I can't say I disagree with everything Skyechan said, I think this decision was made rather quickly. Such a big change should have required more than 24 hours of discussion. As it seems that I'm in the minority, I'll keep my mouth shut, but we really should give the community more time to put in their opinions in the future. --[[User:Jigsaw\|Jigsaw]] 14:36, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
			::::::My apologies, I'll keep this in mind in the future. --[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 15:29, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
	::::I think the list is good, but I'm for keeping the profile pages of some of the characters with the criteria that Ocianne suggested. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 17:46, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
	~~:::::We should make another group list then in characters. Their profile information with keyhole links stays. --[[User:S261157\|S261157]] 17:56, 25 November 2011 (UTC)~~
	::::::As Ocianne stated, a whole profile page for a character who is in a keyhole but only appears for one case is ridiculous. I'm following Ocianne and Chek's suggestions.--[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 18:57, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
	~~:::::::But that can't be!!!!!!~~
	~~::::~~:::::Woah woah woah. While I can't say I disagree with everything Skyechan said, I think this decision was made rather quickly. Such a big change should have required more than 24 hours of discussion. As it seems that I'm in the minority, I'll keep my mouth shut, but we really should give the community more time to put in their opinions in the future. --[[User:Jigsaw\|Jigsaw]] 14:36, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
	~~::::~~::::::My apologies, I'll keep this in mind in the future. --[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 15:29, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

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	=== Votes for "The characters should have profiles" ===		=== Votes for "The characters should have profiles" ===
	* S261157 - Reasoning: Characters who has keyhole volume links and characters who appear at least 2 times have their profiles is not such a bad idea. No matter if it's important character, still kept their own profile. The manual of style has the rule of creating character profiles to the Tokyo Poilce District and Black Organization. If a character has keyhole volume link, the characters profile info box should be labeled "keyhole" and links to what number of the Manga volume book. I assure you that it's the most greatest idea ever!
	* Jigsaw - Reasoning: My thought process is rather complicated; I '''hesitantly''' vote to keep the profiles. Not all of the deleted character pages had keyholes mind you, so I'm not exactly sure why this criteria is what the vote is over. I've counted at least 15 character pages that were deleted despite never having had a keyhole; many of them are anime or Special Conan exclusive. There are certainly some characters who will NEVER have enough information to warrant an article, but that being said, I'm rather confused now as to where the criteria stands. What deems a character 'important' enough? Inspector Yuminaga, Shintaro Chaki, Detective Toyama, Koumei, Ethan Hondou, Elena Miyano, Atsushi Miyano, Tequila, Pisco, Calvados, Rikumichi Kusuda, Ki'ichiro Numabuchi, Keiko Momoi, Hakuba's Housekeeper, Spider, Shizuka Hattori, and Scar Akai : All of these characters have depressingly empty profiles, lack of an importance to the ongoing plot, and/or very few appearances overall, so I question why they were not deleted as well. I'm relatively shocked that Fusae Campbell was spared as well; take away mere speculation and her article is about as important as other deleted characters. If this were Wikipedia, I would agree with this decision on the grounds of notability and importance, but this isn't Wikipedia. This is a fan Wikia dedicated to Detective Conan. On the main page of this site, I read the following: "'''We strive to become the number one source of all things Detective Conan related'''." I believe this decision works in the opposite direction of our goal. While I realize that we are DCW and not another Wikia, I can point you to many other communities where even less notable characters get articles. Again, while I'm not saying that we need to base our decisions on other websites, I do wish to point out that we don't need to minimize or downgrade our efforts and overall appeal simply for the sake of "notability". One of the perks of having individual character articles is the ability to have a set format in which to work with. Merging everything into one list of characters takes away that option. My reasoning is all over the place and might not make sense because this topic is not as black and white as it is made out to be. I agree that we should separate characters of importance from the main article (the list of people on the characters article was ridiculous), but I don't think we need to delete the articles in the process. Is there a limit to the number of articles a Wikia can have? I ask this only because I see many other ways in which we could reduce the number of articles if necessary (such as gadgets). Regardless of the outcome of this vote, I would recommend revising the Manual of Style in order for the community to understand what deems a character article-worthy.		* Jigsaw - Reasoning: My thought process is rather complicated; I '''hesitantly''' vote to keep the profiles. Not all of the deleted character pages had keyholes mind you, so I'm not exactly sure why this criteria is what the vote is over. I've counted at least 15 character pages that were deleted despite never having had a keyhole; many of them are anime or Special Conan exclusive. There are certainly some characters who will NEVER have enough information to warrant an article, but that being said, I'm rather confused now as to where the criteria stands. What deems a character 'important' enough? Inspector Yuminaga, Shintaro Chaki, Detective Toyama, Koumei, Ethan Hondou, Elena Miyano, Atsushi Miyano, Tequila, Pisco, Calvados, Rikumichi Kusuda, Ki'ichiro Numabuchi, Keiko Momoi, Hakuba's Housekeeper, Spider, Shizuka Hattori, and Scar Akai : All of these characters have depressingly empty profiles, lack of an importance to the ongoing plot, and/or very few appearances overall, so I question why they were not deleted as well. I'm relatively shocked that Fusae Campbell was spared as well; take away mere speculation and her article is about as important as other deleted characters. If this were Wikipedia, I would agree with this decision on the grounds of notability and importance, but this isn't Wikipedia. This is a fan Wikia dedicated to Detective Conan. On the main page of this site, I read the following: "'''We strive to become the number one source of all things Detective Conan related'''." I believe this decision works in the opposite direction of our goal. While I realize that we are DCW and not another Wikia, I can point you to many other communities where even less notable characters get articles. Again, while I'm not saying that we need to base our decisions on other websites, I do wish to point out that we don't need to minimize or downgrade our efforts and overall appeal simply for the sake of "notability". One of the perks of having individual character articles is the ability to have a set format in which to work with. Merging everything into one list of characters takes away that option. My reasoning is all over the place and might not make sense because this topic is not as black and white as it is made out to be. I agree that we should separate characters of importance from the main article (the list of people on the characters article was ridiculous), but I don't think we need to delete the articles in the process. Is there a limit to the number of articles a Wikia can have? I ask this only because I see many other ways in which we could reduce the number of articles if necessary (such as gadgets). Regardless of the outcome of this vote, I would recommend revising the Manual of Style in order for the community to understand what deems a character article-worthy.
	::::::::::{{red\|After reading comments from other users, I've decided to recant my first vote. It seems I misunderstood the premises of this whole debate. I was under the impression that we were voting on whether or not we agreed with the character deletions. If the question is whether or not a character should get an article solely because they are in a keyhole, then I switch my vote to against. If I'm still off target, I'll abstain altogether. Sorry for the confusion.}} --[[User:Jigsaw\|Jigsaw]] 23:10, 26 November 2011 (UTC)		::::::::::{{red\|After reading comments from other users, I've decided to recant my first vote. It seems I misunderstood the premises of this whole debate. I was under the impression that we were voting on whether or not we agreed with the character deletions. If the question is whether or not a character should get an article solely because they are in a keyhole, then I switch my vote to against. If I'm still off target, I'll abstain altogether. Sorry for the confusion.}} --[[User:Jigsaw\|Jigsaw]] 23:10, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Chekhov MacGuffin: /* Cleaning and Organizing. */

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Cleaning and Organizing.

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	So what do you guys think? All are merely suggestions that wish to have a cleaner, more organized, and clear "Characters" page. Opinions are welcomed. Thanks!		So what do you guys think? All are merely suggestions that wish to have a cleaner, more organized, and clear "Characters" page. Opinions are welcomed. Thanks!

			:The only one I have strong feelings about is Agasa and Sumiko definitely don't belong in the DB section because they aren't really members of that clique.
			:I think everyone in the BO list south of the Miyanos could go on a minor characters page. I made a test edit for several of them.
			:The Others section is kinda odd. I feel like Tsutomu and Kohji Haneda could be kicked to notable case characters or minor recurring depending on how people feel about that, but since the Rum arc is in full swing and many people might be interested in them for a while, we could wait. Asaka is a weird one - kind of like a non-BO arc mystery character, so I'm not sure about him/her. Momiji, Rumi, Wakita, Muga, and Mary should stay for now. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 20:12, 1 May 2017 (CEST)

SilverBullet13: /* Cleaning and Organizing. */ new section

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	There have been a few characters moved up from "others" to "friends and family" recently. A lot of the recurring characters are friends to some degree, so I feel like the friends and family section needs to be differentiated by being a list of the "core recurring friends and family" who appear quite often (relatively speaking) and hang out with the main characters frequently when they do appear, and all the rest can be kicked to others. I want to kick [[Yoko Okino]], [[Sumiko Kobayashi]], [[Tomoaki Araide]], [[Azusa Enomoto]], and [[Shukichi Haneda]] down to others because they are pretty rare, and not among the core recurring character friends group. [[Shizuka Hattori]] can probably also go to Others even though she is family because she is a pretty rare character, not exactly among the core. [[Masumi Sera]] I feel hangs out often enough with Ran and Sonoko that she can stay with the core friends group. [[Eisuke Hondou]] and [[Subaru Okiya]] are odd cases because they appear in spurts. Eisuke is overseas at the moment. What to do? [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 20:53, 13 October 2014 (CEST)		There have been a few characters moved up from "others" to "friends and family" recently. A lot of the recurring characters are friends to some degree, so I feel like the friends and family section needs to be differentiated by being a list of the "core recurring friends and family" who appear quite often (relatively speaking) and hang out with the main characters frequently when they do appear, and all the rest can be kicked to others. I want to kick [[Yoko Okino]], [[Sumiko Kobayashi]], [[Tomoaki Araide]], [[Azusa Enomoto]], and [[Shukichi Haneda]] down to others because they are pretty rare, and not among the core recurring character friends group. [[Shizuka Hattori]] can probably also go to Others even though she is family because she is a pretty rare character, not exactly among the core. [[Masumi Sera]] I feel hangs out often enough with Ran and Sonoko that she can stay with the core friends group. [[Eisuke Hondou]] and [[Subaru Okiya]] are odd cases because they appear in spurts. Eisuke is overseas at the moment. What to do? [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 20:53, 13 October 2014 (CEST)

			== Cleaning and Organizing. ==

			Here are the changes I wish to make:

			*The "Family & Friends" section is bloating up so I want to clean it. Let's move some important characters who only appeared in one arc (i.e., [[Eisuke Hondou]] and [[Tomoaki Araide]]). They will be added to a new section called "Acquaintances". Another option is to ''categorize them by their arc appearances''. Here is a list of characters who I don't think should ''really'' belong to "Family & Friends":

			*[[Yoko Okino]] (more of an acquaintance and celebrity)
			*[[Tomoaki Araide]] (important during the Vermouth arc ''only'')
			*[[Shizuka Hattori]] (rarely appears and more of an acquaintance)
			*[[Eisuke Hondou]] (important during the Kir arc ''only'')
			*[[Sakurako Yonehara]] (more of an acquaintance)

			*Create a "School/Teitan" section for ''specific'' information.
			*Move [[Sumiko Kobayashi]] and [[Hiroshi Agasa]] to "Detective Boys" section.
			*Arranged the "MPD" section based on the members' ranks.
			*The "BO" section has also bloated. I suggest to move [[Tequila]], [[Rikumichi Kusuda]], and others.
			*What should we do with the "Others" section. Is it a place for suspicious/unconfirmed/ characters or anyone who we don't know where to place? It is also getting bigger.

			So what do you guys think? All are merely suggestions that wish to have a cleaner, more organized, and clear "Characters" page. Opinions are welcomed. Thanks!

Chekhov MacGuffin: /* Friends and family getting overloaded? Bump some characters down to others? */ new section

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	:I am pretty sure that is Kenji Hagiwara, Matsuda Jinpei's explosive disposal partner who died in the first bombing 7 years prior to the current timeline. It's part of the [[The Trembling Police Headquarters: 12 Million Hostages]] episodes. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 09:07, 1 August 2013 (PDT)		:I am pretty sure that is Kenji Hagiwara, Matsuda Jinpei's explosive disposal partner who died in the first bombing 7 years prior to the current timeline. It's part of the [[The Trembling Police Headquarters: 12 Million Hostages]] episodes. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 09:07, 1 August 2013 (PDT)
	::How do you know about Hagiwara's first name ? I really don't remember having read that anywhere ... [[User:Maxdefolsch\|Maxdefolsch]] ([[User talk:Maxdefolsch\|talk]]) 15:02, 1 August 2013 (PDT)		::How do you know about Hagiwara's first name ? I really don't remember having read that anywhere ... [[User:Maxdefolsch\|Maxdefolsch]] ([[User talk:Maxdefolsch\|talk]]) 15:02, 1 August 2013 (PDT)

			== Friends and family getting overloaded? Bump some characters down to others? ==

			There have been a few characters moved up from "others" to "friends and family" recently. A lot of the recurring characters are friends to some degree, so I feel like the friends and family section needs to be differentiated by being a list of the "core recurring friends and family" who appear quite often (relatively speaking) and hang out with the main characters frequently when they do appear, and all the rest can be kicked to others. I want to kick [[Yoko Okino]], [[Sumiko Kobayashi]], [[Tomoaki Araide]], [[Azusa Enomoto]], and [[Shukichi Haneda]] down to others because they are pretty rare, and not among the core recurring character friends group. [[Shizuka Hattori]] can probably also go to Others even though she is family because she is a pretty rare character, not exactly among the core. [[Masumi Sera]] I feel hangs out often enough with Ran and Sonoko that she can stay with the core friends group. [[Eisuke Hondou]] and [[Subaru Okiya]] are odd cases because they appear in spurts. Eisuke is overseas at the moment. What to do? [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 20:53, 13 October 2014 (CEST)

Maxdefolsch: /* Who is...? (in the Main characters of the series picture) */

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Who is...? (in the Main characters of the series picture)

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	:I am pretty sure that is Kenji Hagiwara, Matsuda Jinpei's explosive disposal partner who died in the first bombing 7 years prior to the current timeline. It's part of the [[The Trembling Police Headquarters: 12 Million Hostages]] episodes. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 09:07, 1 August 2013 (PDT)		:I am pretty sure that is Kenji Hagiwara, Matsuda Jinpei's explosive disposal partner who died in the first bombing 7 years prior to the current timeline. It's part of the [[The Trembling Police Headquarters: 12 Million Hostages]] episodes. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 09:07, 1 August 2013 (PDT)
			::How do you know about Hagiwara's first name ? I really don't remember having read that anywhere ... [[User:Maxdefolsch\|Maxdefolsch]] ([[User talk:Maxdefolsch\|talk]]) 15:02, 1 August 2013 (PDT)

Chekhov MacGuffin: /* Who is...? (in the Main characters of the series picture) */ Kenji Hagiwara

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Who is...? (in the Main characters of the series picture): Kenji Hagiwara

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	There are two guy with a halo at the top of the picture. The one with the glasses is Jinpei, but who is the other one? Thanks.--[[Special:Contributions/217.247.182.168\|217.247.182.168]] 04:56, 1 August 2013 (PDT)		There are two guy with a halo at the top of the picture. The one with the glasses is Jinpei, but who is the other one? Thanks.--[[Special:Contributions/217.247.182.168\|217.247.182.168]] 04:56, 1 August 2013 (PDT)
			[[File:Kenji Hagiwara.jpg\|thumb\|right\|Kenji Hagiwara]]
			:I am pretty sure that is Kenji Hagiwara, Matsuda Jinpei's explosive disposal partner who died in the first bombing 7 years prior to the current timeline. It's part of the [[The Trembling Police Headquarters: 12 Million Hostages]] episodes. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 09:07, 1 August 2013 (PDT)

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	::I can agree with restoring those profiles, including Ayako Suzuki's and possibly Genji Kojima, Natsuki Koshimizu, Junya Tokitsu, and Minerva Glass, but I think Junpei Matsude is more of a notable chase character rather than a main character. Additionally, if notable and minor characters are tabled similar to the character page, should even the minor recurring characters have "Appearances" pages to keep the primary page cleaner?--[[User:Ocianne\|Ocianne]] 04:18, 7 December 2011 (UTC)		::I can agree with restoring those profiles, including Ayako Suzuki's and possibly Genji Kojima, Natsuki Koshimizu, Junya Tokitsu, and Minerva Glass, but I think Junpei Matsude is more of a notable chase character rather than a main character. Additionally, if notable and minor characters are tabled similar to the character page, should even the minor recurring characters have "Appearances" pages to keep the primary page cleaner?--[[User:Ocianne\|Ocianne]] 04:18, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
	:::Makes sense to me. Anything to keep the lists down in size. --[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 05:17, 7 December 2011 (UTC)		:::Makes sense to me. Anything to keep the lists down in size. --[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 05:17, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

			== Who is...? (in the Main characters of the series picture) ==

			There are two guy with a halo at the top of the picture. The one with the glasses is Jinpei, but who is the other one? Thanks.--[[Special:Contributions/217.247.182.168\|217.247.182.168]] 04:56, 1 August 2013 (PDT)

Skyechan: /* Which now sub-paged characters should have profiles? */

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	:::I would like to second Chekov's suggestion. Additionally, I would support restoring Ayako Suzuki's profile. --[[User:Jigsaw\|Jigsaw]] 02:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)		:::I would like to second Chekov's suggestion. Additionally, I would support restoring Ayako Suzuki's profile. --[[User:Jigsaw\|Jigsaw]] 02:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
	::I can agree with restoring those profiles, including Ayako Suzuki's and possibly Genji Kojima, Natsuki Koshimizu, Junya Tokitsu, and Minerva Glass, but I think Junpei Matsude is more of a notable chase character rather than a main character. Additionally, if notable and minor characters are tabled similar to the character page, should even the minor recurring characters have "Appearances" pages to keep the primary page cleaner?--[[User:Ocianne\|Ocianne]] 04:18, 7 December 2011 (UTC)		::I can agree with restoring those profiles, including Ayako Suzuki's and possibly Genji Kojima, Natsuki Koshimizu, Junya Tokitsu, and Minerva Glass, but I think Junpei Matsude is more of a notable chase character rather than a main character. Additionally, if notable and minor characters are tabled similar to the character page, should even the minor recurring characters have "Appearances" pages to keep the primary page cleaner?--[[User:Ocianne\|Ocianne]] 04:18, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
			:::Makes sense to me. Anything to keep the lists down in size. --[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 05:17, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

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	::Fair enough. My main original concern was that the list itself on [[Characters]] was simply too long. Arranging the subpages similarly and restoring these profiles works for me. --[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 01:55, 7 December 2011 (UTC)		::Fair enough. My main original concern was that the list itself on [[Characters]] was simply too long. Arranging the subpages similarly and restoring these profiles works for me. --[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 01:55, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
	:::I would like to second Chekov's suggestion. Additionally, I would support restoring Ayako Suzuki's profile. --[[User:Jigsaw\|Jigsaw]] 02:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)		:::I would like to second Chekov's suggestion. Additionally, I would support restoring Ayako Suzuki's profile. --[[User:Jigsaw\|Jigsaw]] 02:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
			::I can agree with restoring those profiles, including Ayako Suzuki's and possibly Genji Kojima, Natsuki Koshimizu, Junya Tokitsu, and Minerva Glass, but I think Junpei Matsude is more of a notable chase character rather than a main character. Additionally, if notable and minor characters are tabled similar to the character page, should even the minor recurring characters have "Appearances" pages to keep the primary page cleaner?--[[User:Ocianne\|Ocianne]] 04:18, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

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	:Replying to my own topic, I would restore profiles for [[Jinpei Matsuda]], [[Midori Megure]], [[Irish]], and [[Reiko Kujo]]. I would be tempted to move Matsuda back to the main character page. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 01:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)		:Replying to my own topic, I would restore profiles for [[Jinpei Matsuda]], [[Midori Megure]], [[Irish]], and [[Reiko Kujo]]. I would be tempted to move Matsuda back to the main character page. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 01:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
	::Fair enough. My main original concern was that the list itself on [[Characters]] was simply too long. Arranging the subpages similarly and restoring these profiles works for me. --[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 01:55, 7 December 2011 (UTC)		::Fair enough. My main original concern was that the list itself on [[Characters]] was simply too long. Arranging the subpages similarly and restoring these profiles works for me. --[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 01:55, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
			:::I would like to second Chekov's suggestion. Additionally, I would support restoring Ayako Suzuki's profile. --[[User:Jigsaw\|Jigsaw]] 02:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

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	My solution to our extensive Character list is to simply create a page similar to the "Minor recurring characters" page for "Notable case characters". Information currently on those with profile pages can be moved to this new page and the old profile pages be deleted. I understand we want to provide as much information as possible, but seriously, some of these characters I don't see why they need to be listed on the main characters page. --[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 07:02, 25 November 2011 (UTC)		My solution to our extensive Character list is to simply create a page similar to the "Minor recurring characters" page for "Notable case characters". Information currently on those with profile pages can be moved to this new page and the old profile pages be deleted. I understand we want to provide as much information as possible, but seriously, some of these characters I don't see why they need to be listed on the main characters page. --[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 07:02, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
	: Or, we could just have a "List of Minor Characters" (or "List of Supporting Characters," whatever you want to call them) and then group them into sections, i.e. Recurring in the Manga, Recurring in the Anime and Notable Case. And then, we could also format it like the Characters page for consistency. And yeah, if their profile pages don't have that much info, I agree that we should just delete them to avoid clutter.--[[User:Lashedcheek\|lashedcheek]] 15:12, 25 November 2011 (UTC)		: Or, we could just have a "List of Minor Characters" (or "List of Supporting Characters," whatever you want to call them) and then group them into sections, i.e. Recurring in the Manga, Recurring in the Anime and Notable Case. And then, we could also format it like the Characters page for consistency. And yeah, if their profile pages don't have that much info, I agree that we should just delete them to avoid clutter.--[[User:Lashedcheek\|lashedcheek]] 15:12, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
			::The problem with keeping profiles for characters with keyholes is that often, they're only important for a single case that occurred in that volume. An entire page is simply overkill, when a Notable Case Characters page could consolidate that information and the minor recurring characters can be on the Minor Recurring Characters page. The keyhole can link to those pages. Also, if a character is big or recurring enough to be on the Characters page and have a profile, like Hideo or Sumiko, they probably don't need a mention on the Minor Recurring Characters page. I also think that Midori Megure is a notable case character and Midori Kuriyama is a minor recurring character who don't need profile pages, while the speculation over Fusae Campbell might make it worth leaving her page as-is.--[[User:Ocianne\|Ocianne]] 17:38, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
	~~::We should keep the characters profile that links to keyhole number of volume book. That's still fine. --[[User:S261157\|S261157]] 15:19, 25 November 2011 (UTC)~~		:::I think the list is good, but I'm for keeping the profile pages of some of the characters with the criteria that Ocianne suggested. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 17:46, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
			::::As Ocianne stated, a whole profile page for a character who is in a keyhole but only appears for one case is ridiculous. I'm following Ocianne and Chek's suggestions.--[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 18:57, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
	:::The problem with keeping profiles for characters with keyholes is that often, they're only important for a single case that occurred in that volume. An entire page is simply overkill, when a Notable Case Characters page could consolidate that information and the minor recurring characters can be on the Minor Recurring Characters page. The keyhole can link to those pages. Also, if a character is big or recurring enough to be on the Characters page and have a profile, like Hideo or Sumiko, they probably don't need a mention on the Minor Recurring Characters page. I also think that Midori Megure is a notable case character and Midori Kuriyama is a minor recurring character who don't need profile pages, while the speculation over Fusae Campbell might make it worth leaving her page as-is.--[[User:Ocianne\|Ocianne]] 17:38, 25 November 2011 (UTC)		:::::Woah woah woah. While I can't say I disagree with everything Skyechan said, I think this decision was made rather quickly. Such a big change should have required more than 24 hours of discussion. As it seems that I'm in the minority, I'll keep my mouth shut, but we really should give the community more time to put in their opinions in the future. --[[User:Jigsaw\|Jigsaw]] 14:36, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
			::::::My apologies, I'll keep this in mind in the future. --[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 15:29, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
	::::I think the list is good, but I'm for keeping the profile pages of some of the characters with the criteria that Ocianne suggested. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 17:46, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
	~~:::::We should make another group list then in characters. Their profile information with keyhole links stays. --[[User:S261157\|S261157]] 17:56, 25 November 2011 (UTC)~~
	::::::As Ocianne stated, a whole profile page for a character who is in a keyhole but only appears for one case is ridiculous. I'm following Ocianne and Chek's suggestions.--[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 18:57, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
	~~:::::::But that can't be!!!!!!~~
	~~::::~~:::::Woah woah woah. While I can't say I disagree with everything Skyechan said, I think this decision was made rather quickly. Such a big change should have required more than 24 hours of discussion. As it seems that I'm in the minority, I'll keep my mouth shut, but we really should give the community more time to put in their opinions in the future. --[[User:Jigsaw\|Jigsaw]] 14:36, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
	~~::::~~::::::My apologies, I'll keep this in mind in the future. --[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 15:29, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

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	* S261157 - Reasoning: Characters who has keyhole volume links and characters who appear at least 2 times have their profiles is not such a bad idea. No matter if it's important character, still kept their own profile. The manual of style has the rule of creating character profiles to the Tokyo Poilce District and Black Organization. If a character has keyhole volume link, the characters profile info box should be labeled "keyhole" and links to what number of the Manga volume book. I assure you that it's the most greatest idea ever!
	* Jigsaw - Reasoning: My thought process is rather complicated; I '''hesitantly''' vote to keep the profiles. Not all of the deleted character pages had keyholes mind you, so I'm not exactly sure why this criteria is what the vote is over. I've counted at least 15 character pages that were deleted despite never having had a keyhole; many of them are anime or Special Conan exclusive. There are certainly some characters who will NEVER have enough information to warrant an article, but that being said, I'm rather confused now as to where the criteria stands. What deems a character 'important' enough? Inspector Yuminaga, Shintaro Chaki, Detective Toyama, Koumei, Ethan Hondou, Elena Miyano, Atsushi Miyano, Tequila, Pisco, Calvados, Rikumichi Kusuda, Ki'ichiro Numabuchi, Keiko Momoi, Hakuba's Housekeeper, Spider, Shizuka Hattori, and Scar Akai : All of these characters have depressingly empty profiles, lack of an importance to the ongoing plot, and/or very few appearances overall, so I question why they were not deleted as well. I'm relatively shocked that Fusae Campbell was spared as well; take away mere speculation and her article is about as important as other deleted characters. If this were Wikipedia, I would agree with this decision on the grounds of notability and importance, but this isn't Wikipedia. This is a fan Wikia dedicated to Detective Conan. On the main page of this site, I read the following: "'''We strive to become the number one source of all things Detective Conan related'''." I believe this decision works in the opposite direction of our goal. While I realize that we are DCW and not another Wikia, I can point you to many other communities where even less notable characters get articles. Again, while I'm not saying that we need to base our decisions on other websites, I do wish to point out that we don't need to minimize or downgrade our efforts and overall appeal simply for the sake of "notability". One of the perks of having individual character articles is the ability to have a set format in which to work with. Merging everything into one list of characters takes away that option. My reasoning is all over the place and might not make sense because this topic is not as black and white as it is made out to be. I agree that we should separate characters of importance from the main article (the list of people on the characters article was ridiculous), but I don't think we need to delete the articles in the process. Is there a limit to the number of articles a Wikia can have? I ask this only because I see many other ways in which we could reduce the number of articles if necessary (such as gadgets). Regardless of the outcome of this vote, I would recommend revising the Manual of Style in order for the community to understand what deems a character article-worthy.		* Jigsaw - Reasoning: My thought process is rather complicated; I '''hesitantly''' vote to keep the profiles. Not all of the deleted character pages had keyholes mind you, so I'm not exactly sure why this criteria is what the vote is over. I've counted at least 15 character pages that were deleted despite never having had a keyhole; many of them are anime or Special Conan exclusive. There are certainly some characters who will NEVER have enough information to warrant an article, but that being said, I'm rather confused now as to where the criteria stands. What deems a character 'important' enough? Inspector Yuminaga, Shintaro Chaki, Detective Toyama, Koumei, Ethan Hondou, Elena Miyano, Atsushi Miyano, Tequila, Pisco, Calvados, Rikumichi Kusuda, Ki'ichiro Numabuchi, Keiko Momoi, Hakuba's Housekeeper, Spider, Shizuka Hattori, and Scar Akai : All of these characters have depressingly empty profiles, lack of an importance to the ongoing plot, and/or very few appearances overall, so I question why they were not deleted as well. I'm relatively shocked that Fusae Campbell was spared as well; take away mere speculation and her article is about as important as other deleted characters. If this were Wikipedia, I would agree with this decision on the grounds of notability and importance, but this isn't Wikipedia. This is a fan Wikia dedicated to Detective Conan. On the main page of this site, I read the following: "'''We strive to become the number one source of all things Detective Conan related'''." I believe this decision works in the opposite direction of our goal. While I realize that we are DCW and not another Wikia, I can point you to many other communities where even less notable characters get articles. Again, while I'm not saying that we need to base our decisions on other websites, I do wish to point out that we don't need to minimize or downgrade our efforts and overall appeal simply for the sake of "notability". One of the perks of having individual character articles is the ability to have a set format in which to work with. Merging everything into one list of characters takes away that option. My reasoning is all over the place and might not make sense because this topic is not as black and white as it is made out to be. I agree that we should separate characters of importance from the main article (the list of people on the characters article was ridiculous), but I don't think we need to delete the articles in the process. Is there a limit to the number of articles a Wikia can have? I ask this only because I see many other ways in which we could reduce the number of articles if necessary (such as gadgets). Regardless of the outcome of this vote, I would recommend revising the Manual of Style in order for the community to understand what deems a character article-worthy.
	::::::::::{{red\|After reading comments from other users, I've decided to recant my first vote. It seems I misunderstood the premises of this whole debate. I was under the impression that we were voting on whether or not we agreed with the character deletions. If the question is whether or not a character should get an article solely because they are in a keyhole, then I switch my vote to against. If I'm still off target, I'll abstain altogether. Sorry for the confusion.}} --[[User:Jigsaw\|Jigsaw]] 23:10, 26 November 2011 (UTC)		::::::::::{{red\|After reading comments from other users, I've decided to recant my first vote. It seems I misunderstood the premises of this whole debate. I was under the impression that we were voting on whether or not we agreed with the character deletions. If the question is whether or not a character should get an article solely because they are in a keyhole, then I switch my vote to against. If I'm still off target, I'll abstain altogether. Sorry for the confusion.}} --[[User:Jigsaw\|Jigsaw]] 23:10, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

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	:I am pretty sure that is Kenji Hagiwara, Matsuda Jinpei's explosive disposal partner who died in the first bombing 7 years prior to the current timeline. It's part of the [[The Trembling Police Headquarters: 12 Million Hostages]] episodes. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 09:07, 1 August 2013 (PDT)		:I am pretty sure that is Kenji Hagiwara, Matsuda Jinpei's explosive disposal partner who died in the first bombing 7 years prior to the current timeline. It's part of the [[The Trembling Police Headquarters: 12 Million Hostages]] episodes. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 09:07, 1 August 2013 (PDT)
			::How do you know about Hagiwara's first name ? I really don't remember having read that anywhere ... [[User:Maxdefolsch\|Maxdefolsch]] ([[User talk:Maxdefolsch\|talk]]) 15:02, 1 August 2013 (PDT)

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	:::I would like to second Chekov's suggestion. Additionally, I would support restoring Ayako Suzuki's profile. --[[User:Jigsaw\|Jigsaw]] 02:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)		:::I would like to second Chekov's suggestion. Additionally, I would support restoring Ayako Suzuki's profile. --[[User:Jigsaw\|Jigsaw]] 02:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
	::I can agree with restoring those profiles, including Ayako Suzuki's and possibly Genji Kojima, Natsuki Koshimizu, Junya Tokitsu, and Minerva Glass, but I think Junpei Matsude is more of a notable chase character rather than a main character. Additionally, if notable and minor characters are tabled similar to the character page, should even the minor recurring characters have "Appearances" pages to keep the primary page cleaner?--[[User:Ocianne\|Ocianne]] 04:18, 7 December 2011 (UTC)		::I can agree with restoring those profiles, including Ayako Suzuki's and possibly Genji Kojima, Natsuki Koshimizu, Junya Tokitsu, and Minerva Glass, but I think Junpei Matsude is more of a notable chase character rather than a main character. Additionally, if notable and minor characters are tabled similar to the character page, should even the minor recurring characters have "Appearances" pages to keep the primary page cleaner?--[[User:Ocianne\|Ocianne]] 04:18, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
			:::Makes sense to me. Anything to keep the lists down in size. --[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 05:17, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

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	::Fair enough. My main original concern was that the list itself on [[Characters]] was simply too long. Arranging the subpages similarly and restoring these profiles works for me. --[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 01:55, 7 December 2011 (UTC)		::Fair enough. My main original concern was that the list itself on [[Characters]] was simply too long. Arranging the subpages similarly and restoring these profiles works for me. --[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 01:55, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
	:::I would like to second Chekov's suggestion. Additionally, I would support restoring Ayako Suzuki's profile. --[[User:Jigsaw\|Jigsaw]] 02:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)		:::I would like to second Chekov's suggestion. Additionally, I would support restoring Ayako Suzuki's profile. --[[User:Jigsaw\|Jigsaw]] 02:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
			::I can agree with restoring those profiles, including Ayako Suzuki's and possibly Genji Kojima, Natsuki Koshimizu, Junya Tokitsu, and Minerva Glass, but I think Junpei Matsude is more of a notable chase character rather than a main character. Additionally, if notable and minor characters are tabled similar to the character page, should even the minor recurring characters have "Appearances" pages to keep the primary page cleaner?--[[User:Ocianne\|Ocianne]] 04:18, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

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	:Replying to my own topic, I would restore profiles for [[Jinpei Matsuda]], [[Midori Megure]], [[Irish]], and [[Reiko Kujo]]. I would be tempted to move Matsuda back to the main character page. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 01:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)		:Replying to my own topic, I would restore profiles for [[Jinpei Matsuda]], [[Midori Megure]], [[Irish]], and [[Reiko Kujo]]. I would be tempted to move Matsuda back to the main character page. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 01:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
	::Fair enough. My main original concern was that the list itself on [[Characters]] was simply too long. Arranging the subpages similarly and restoring these profiles works for me. --[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 01:55, 7 December 2011 (UTC)		::Fair enough. My main original concern was that the list itself on [[Characters]] was simply too long. Arranging the subpages similarly and restoring these profiles works for me. --[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 01:55, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
			:::I would like to second Chekov's suggestion. Additionally, I would support restoring Ayako Suzuki's profile. --[[User:Jigsaw\|Jigsaw]] 02:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)