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Jefflie: /* Film 2 */

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Film 2

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	While watching the second movie, I noticed that some characters did not know Megure and Agasa's first names before. Was it actually their first mention or did the manga do it first ?[[User:HerlockSholmes\|HerlockSholmes]] ([[User talk:HerlockSholmes\|talk]]) 22:30, 27 March 2022 (UTC)		While watching the second movie, I noticed that some characters did not know Megure and Agasa's first names before. Was it actually their first mention or did the manga do it first ?[[User:HerlockSholmes\|HerlockSholmes]] ([[User talk:HerlockSholmes\|talk]]) 22:30, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
	:I am not really sure, but most of the time in the manga they were known as ~~Profesor~~ Agasa and Inspector Megure, so seems that Movie 2 is where their first name was mentioned.--[[User:Jefflie\|Jefflie]] ([[User talk:Jefflie\|talk]]) 00:04, 28 March 2022 (UTC)		:I am not really sure, but most of the time in the manga they were known as Professor Agasa and Inspector Megure, so seems that Movie 2 is where their first name was mentioned.--[[User:Jefflie\|Jefflie]] ([[User talk:Jefflie\|talk]]) 00:04, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Jefflie: /* Film 2 */

2022-03-28T00:04:43Z

Film 2

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	While watching the second movie, I noticed that some characters did not know Megure and Agasa's first names before. Was it actually their first mention or did the manga do it first ?[[User:HerlockSholmes\|HerlockSholmes]] ([[User talk:HerlockSholmes\|talk]]) 22:30, 27 March 2022 (UTC)		While watching the second movie, I noticed that some characters did not know Megure and Agasa's first names before. Was it actually their first mention or did the manga do it first ?[[User:HerlockSholmes\|HerlockSholmes]] ([[User talk:HerlockSholmes\|talk]]) 22:30, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
			:I am not really sure, but most of the time in the manga they were known as Profesor Agasa and Inspector Megure, so seems that Movie 2 is where their first name was mentioned.--[[User:Jefflie\|Jefflie]] ([[User talk:Jefflie\|talk]]) 00:04, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

HerlockSholmes at 22:31, 27 March 2022

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	::::::Batman is an entirely different set of circumstances. DC comics dictates what is canon to their characters and not everything in each individual comic carries over into his appearances/ cameos in other comics and not everything in those crossovers makes it back into the main series. Also DC comics writes like 2-3 different alternate universes at the same time and only one of the series' is usually the main series to follow for the Universe continuity. Also DC completely reboots all of their comic characters back to their origin stories every once in a while, so arguably the current Batman comics aren't canon to the original Batman comics from when he first created because they are simply a different universe in their multiverse. But the current Batman comics are still canon to the main DC comic line as it runs today.		::::::Batman is an entirely different set of circumstances. DC comics dictates what is canon to their characters and not everything in each individual comic carries over into his appearances/ cameos in other comics and not everything in those crossovers makes it back into the main series. Also DC comics writes like 2-3 different alternate universes at the same time and only one of the series' is usually the main series to follow for the Universe continuity. Also DC completely reboots all of their comic characters back to their origin stories every once in a while, so arguably the current Batman comics aren't canon to the original Batman comics from when he first created because they are simply a different universe in their multiverse. But the current Batman comics are still canon to the main DC comic line as it runs today.
	::::::As for Detective Conan, the original writer is still alive and still writing the original version of his content. The only content that has any bearing on the plot of the original version of the story, is what appears in the original version of the story. The manga is not going to suddenly make a direct reference to one of the movies, tv original episodes, or specials simply because they did not happen in the original content. If the original author does decide to bring minor things into his content, then it does become canon, but every time Gosho Aoyama has done this so far, he has reintroduced it as if it is appearing for the first time. For example, Yamamura got promoted to Inspector for the purposes of appearing in Movie 13: The Raven Chaser. This did carry over into the manga but it had to be reintroduced so that the readers who don't see the movies would actually notice it. It also appeared in the anime, but it appeared in the anime in a different case than it did in the manga. This event happened three different times during three completely different occasions, so which one is the most canon version? It should be what the original author wrote, because that version is the only version that matters to the ending of the comic (not that it will probably matter much though). --[[User:Jimmy-kud0-tv2\|Jimmy-kud0-tv2]] ([[User talk:Jimmy-kud0-tv2\|talk]]) 14:45, 25 May 2017 (CEST)		::::::As for Detective Conan, the original writer is still alive and still writing the original version of his content. The only content that has any bearing on the plot of the original version of the story, is what appears in the original version of the story. The manga is not going to suddenly make a direct reference to one of the movies, tv original episodes, or specials simply because they did not happen in the original content. If the original author does decide to bring minor things into his content, then it does become canon, but every time Gosho Aoyama has done this so far, he has reintroduced it as if it is appearing for the first time. For example, Yamamura got promoted to Inspector for the purposes of appearing in Movie 13: The Raven Chaser. This did carry over into the manga but it had to be reintroduced so that the readers who don't see the movies would actually notice it. It also appeared in the anime, but it appeared in the anime in a different case than it did in the manga. This event happened three different times during three completely different occasions, so which one is the most canon version? It should be what the original author wrote, because that version is the only version that matters to the ending of the comic (not that it will probably matter much though). --[[User:Jimmy-kud0-tv2\|Jimmy-kud0-tv2]] ([[User talk:Jimmy-kud0-tv2\|talk]]) 14:45, 25 May 2017 (CEST)


			==Film 2==
			While watching the second movie, I noticed that some characters did not know Megure and Agasa's first names before. Was it actually their first mention or did the manga do it first ?[[User:HerlockSholmes\|HerlockSholmes]] ([[User talk:HerlockSholmes\|talk]]) 22:30, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Jimmy-kud0-tv2: /* Sanctioned Guidebooks */ a note on Canonisity

2017-05-25T12:45:24Z

Sanctioned Guidebooks: a note on Canonisity

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	:::::I don´t think fans can decide what canon is and what not. As long as something is official it might be canon, as long as the creator doesn´t say otherwhise. Compare it to let´s say Batman. Batman´s creator died 20 years ago, does that make all later Batman comics uncanon? No.--[[User:As1990\|As1990]] ([[User talk:As1990\|talk]]) 13:50, 25 May 2017 (CEST)		:::::I don´t think fans can decide what canon is and what not. As long as something is official it might be canon, as long as the creator doesn´t say otherwhise. Compare it to let´s say Batman. Batman´s creator died 20 years ago, does that make all later Batman comics uncanon? No.--[[User:As1990\|As1990]] ([[User talk:As1990\|talk]]) 13:50, 25 May 2017 (CEST)

			::::::Batman is an entirely different set of circumstances. DC comics dictates what is canon to their characters and not everything in each individual comic carries over into his appearances/ cameos in other comics and not everything in those crossovers makes it back into the main series. Also DC comics writes like 2-3 different alternate universes at the same time and only one of the series' is usually the main series to follow for the Universe continuity. Also DC completely reboots all of their comic characters back to their origin stories every once in a while, so arguably the current Batman comics aren't canon to the original Batman comics from when he first created because they are simply a different universe in their multiverse. But the current Batman comics are still canon to the main DC comic line as it runs today.
			::::::As for Detective Conan, the original writer is still alive and still writing the original version of his content. The only content that has any bearing on the plot of the original version of the story, is what appears in the original version of the story. The manga is not going to suddenly make a direct reference to one of the movies, tv original episodes, or specials simply because they did not happen in the original content. If the original author does decide to bring minor things into his content, then it does become canon, but every time Gosho Aoyama has done this so far, he has reintroduced it as if it is appearing for the first time. For example, Yamamura got promoted to Inspector for the purposes of appearing in Movie 13: The Raven Chaser. This did carry over into the manga but it had to be reintroduced so that the readers who don't see the movies would actually notice it. It also appeared in the anime, but it appeared in the anime in a different case than it did in the manga. This event happened three different times during three completely different occasions, so which one is the most canon version? It should be what the original author wrote, because that version is the only version that matters to the ending of the comic (not that it will probably matter much though). --[[User:Jimmy-kud0-tv2\|Jimmy-kud0-tv2]] ([[User talk:Jimmy-kud0-tv2\|talk]]) 14:45, 25 May 2017 (CEST)

As1990 at 11:50, 25 May 2017

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	::::Maybe if someone did some translation they could find out the info. There is an intro to the Conan Drill that might be relevant. That's the one I am most interested in because of the stuff it says in relation to the manga canon. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 03:35, 30 April 2012 (UTC)		::::Maybe if someone did some translation they could find out the info. There is an intro to the Conan Drill that might be relevant. That's the one I am most interested in because of the stuff it says in relation to the manga canon. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 03:35, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
	::::Edit, so I was going back through some old convos, and we may have to be careful about the official confirmation. The Love Conans may be fanbooks published by Shogakukan. I guess individual verification is the key here. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 04:05, 30 April 2012 (UTC)		::::Edit, so I was going back through some old convos, and we may have to be careful about the official confirmation. The Love Conans may be fanbooks published by Shogakukan. I guess individual verification is the key here. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 04:05, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

			:::::I don´t think fans can decide what canon is and what not. As long as something is official it might be canon, as long as the creator doesn´t say otherwhise. Compare it to let´s say Batman. Batman´s creator died 20 years ago, does that make all later Batman comics uncanon? No.--[[User:As1990\|As1990]] ([[User talk:As1990\|talk]]) 13:50, 25 May 2017 (CEST)

Chekhov MacGuffin: looking back

2012-04-30T04:05:52Z

looking back

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	::::Maybe if someone did some translation they could find out the info. There is an intro to the Conan Drill that might be relevant. That's the one I am most interested in because of the stuff it says in relation to the manga canon. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 03:35, 30 April 2012 (UTC)		::::Maybe if someone did some translation they could find out the info. There is an intro to the Conan Drill that might be relevant. That's the one I am most interested in because of the stuff it says in relation to the manga canon. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 03:35, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
			::::Edit, so I was going back through some old convos, and we may have to be careful about the official confirmation. The Love Conans may be fanbooks published by Shogakukan. I guess individual verification is the key here. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 04:05, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Chekhov MacGuffin: intro

2012-04-30T03:35:40Z

intro

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	:::They are, but I'm not sure about using that as proof. I wish we had an actual source of Aoyama saying he approves those specific guidebooks. :/ --[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 03:24, 30 April 2012 (UTC)		:::They are, but I'm not sure about using that as proof. I wish we had an actual source of Aoyama saying he approves those specific guidebooks. :/ --[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 03:24, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

			::::Maybe if someone did some translation they could find out the info. There is an intro to the Conan Drill that might be relevant. That's the one I am most interested in because of the stuff it says in relation to the manga canon. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 03:35, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Skyechan: /* Sanctioned Guidebooks */

2012-04-30T03:24:44Z

Sanctioned Guidebooks

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	::Perhaps because these are the ones published by Shogakukan? The Love Conans, the Drill, and Movie Perfect Guide are all Shogakukan I think. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 02:13, 30 April 2012 (UTC)		::Perhaps because these are the ones published by Shogakukan? The Love Conans, the Drill, and Movie Perfect Guide are all Shogakukan I think. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 02:13, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

			:::They are, but I'm not sure about using that as proof. I wish we had an actual source of Aoyama saying he approves those specific guidebooks. :/ --[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 03:24, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Chekhov MacGuffin: Shogakukan publishes I think

2012-04-30T02:13:03Z

Shogakukan publishes I think

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	:I saw the post on DCTP in regards to the list of sanctioned guidebooks, but did Jd- ever mention where he found that Aoyama sanctioned these particular ones?--[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 01:43, 30 April 2012 (UTC)		:I saw the post on DCTP in regards to the list of sanctioned guidebooks, but did Jd- ever mention where he found that Aoyama sanctioned these particular ones?--[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 01:43, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

			::Perhaps because these are the ones published by Shogakukan? The Love Conans, the Drill, and Movie Perfect Guide are all Shogakukan I think. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 02:13, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Skyechan: /* Sanctioned Guidebooks */

2012-04-30T01:43:55Z

Sanctioned Guidebooks

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	:I own [[Detective Conan vs Kaitou Kid Perfect Edition]]. It's just a compilation of Kid related chapters from Detective Conan plus the inclusion of the Clock Tower heist. There is however an interview with Aoyama on page 169. The [http://www.shogakukan.co.jp/comics/detail/_isbn_9784091222541 2010 edition] presumably contains the same stories. I'll type up the interview when I have a chance to post into the interviews topic on the forum. Maybe justwantanaccount would be gracious enough to translate it for us.		:I own [[Detective Conan vs Kaitou Kid Perfect Edition]]. It's just a compilation of Kid related chapters from Detective Conan plus the inclusion of the Clock Tower heist. There is however an interview with Aoyama on page 169. The [http://www.shogakukan.co.jp/comics/detail/_isbn_9784091222541 2010 edition] presumably contains the same stories. I'll type up the interview when I have a chance to post into the interviews topic on the forum. Maybe justwantanaccount would be gracious enough to translate it for us.

	I saw the post on DCTP in regards to the list of sanctioned guidebooks, but did Jd- ever mention where he found that Aoyama sanctioned these particular ones?--[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 01:43, 30 April 2012 (UTC)		:I saw the post on DCTP in regards to the list of sanctioned guidebooks, but did Jd- ever mention where he found that Aoyama sanctioned these particular ones?--[[User:Skyechan\|Skyechan]] 01:43, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

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	::::Maybe if someone did some translation they could find out the info. There is an intro to the Conan Drill that might be relevant. That's the one I am most interested in because of the stuff it says in relation to the manga canon. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 03:35, 30 April 2012 (UTC)		::::Maybe if someone did some translation they could find out the info. There is an intro to the Conan Drill that might be relevant. That's the one I am most interested in because of the stuff it says in relation to the manga canon. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 03:35, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
	::::Edit, so I was going back through some old convos, and we may have to be careful about the official confirmation. The Love Conans may be fanbooks published by Shogakukan. I guess individual verification is the key here. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 04:05, 30 April 2012 (UTC)		::::Edit, so I was going back through some old convos, and we may have to be careful about the official confirmation. The Love Conans may be fanbooks published by Shogakukan. I guess individual verification is the key here. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 04:05, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

			:::::I don´t think fans can decide what canon is and what not. As long as something is official it might be canon, as long as the creator doesn´t say otherwhise. Compare it to let´s say Batman. Batman´s creator died 20 years ago, does that make all later Batman comics uncanon? No.--[[User:As1990\|As1990]] ([[User talk:As1990\|talk]]) 13:50, 25 May 2017 (CEST)