Okiya is Akai theory - Revision history

Nakamura at 20:31, 1 September 2025

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	===Conan trusts Okiya despite Haibara's misgivings===		===Conan trusts Okiya despite Haibara's misgivings===
	Conan is paranoid; his trust around Okiya would be out of character for him if there wasn't a good reason for it. He didn't trust [[Jodie Starling]] even though he knew that she was probably an FBI agent unless she could prove that [[Tomoaki Araide\|Dr. Araide]] was [[Vermouth]].<ref name=~~The_Truth~~>Manga Volume 42 File 9 Pages 11-12: The Truth Behind the Mask. Note that Conan is disguising as Haibara.</ref> Conan easily lends Okiya the keys to his house.<ref name=Neighbor>Manga [[Volume 60]] File 5: The New Neighbor</ref> Conan also trusts Okiya to help in cases that put him in close contact with both [[Ai Haibara]] and him, like switching out the gasoline in a container for water to solve a case,<ref name=Crackle>Manga Volume 61 File 7: Crackle</ref> or calling him to pick up everyone when [[Hiroshi Agasa\|Agasa]]’s car broke down<ref name=Burn>Manga Volume 61 File 5: Burn</ref>, etc…		Conan is paranoid; his trust around Okiya would be out of character for him if there wasn't a good reason for it. He didn't trust [[Jodie Starling]] even though he knew that she was probably an FBI agent unless she could prove that [[Tomoaki Araide\|Dr. Araide]] was [[Vermouth]].<ref name=The_Truth1>Manga Volume 42 File 9 Pages 11-12: The Truth Behind the Mask. Note that Conan is disguising as Haibara.</ref> Conan easily lends Okiya the keys to his house.<ref name=Neighbor>Manga [[Volume 60]] File 5: The New Neighbor</ref> Conan also trusts Okiya to help in cases that put him in close contact with both [[Ai Haibara]] and him, like switching out the gasoline in a container for water to solve a case,<ref name=Crackle>Manga Volume 61 File 7: Crackle</ref> or calling him to pick up everyone when [[Hiroshi Agasa\|Agasa]]’s car broke down<ref name=Burn>Manga Volume 61 File 5: Burn</ref>, etc…
	Also, Conan doesn’t mind the fact that Okiya is around Haibara.		Also, Conan doesn’t mind the fact that Okiya is around Haibara.

	===Conan lied to Haibara about why he trusts Okiya===		===Conan lied to Haibara about why he trusts Okiya===
	"A Holmes fan can't be a bad person!"<ref name=Neighbor~~>Manga [[Volume 60]] File 5 Page 16: The New Neighbor<~~/~~ref~~>: this is a poor excuse. There was an entire murder case where all the suspects were Holmes fans.<ref name=Holmes_case>Manga Volume 12 Files 7-10, Volume 13 File 1: Holmes Freak Murder Case</ref> Conan didn't trust any of them. The password for the APTX data in "Reunion With the Black Corps"<ref name=The_Bullet>Manga Volume 24 File 10 Page 11: The Bullet from the Past</ref> was “Sherringford” – one of the names Sir Arthur C. Doyle considered for his protagonist before choosing “Sherlock Holmes”, a likely indication that someone in the Black Organization is a fan of the detective. Conan’s knowing expression when he lets Okiya stay next door clearly shows he has another reason for why he trusts Okiya.<ref name=Neighbor/>		"A Holmes fan can't be a bad person!"<ref name=Neighbor/>: this is a poor excuse. There was an entire murder case where all the suspects were Holmes fans.<ref name=Holmes_case>Manga Volume 12 Files 7-10, Volume 13 File 1: Holmes Freak Murder Case</ref> Conan didn't trust any of them. The password for the APTX data in "Reunion With the Black Corps"<ref name=The_Bullet>Manga Volume 24 File 10 Page 11: The Bullet from the Past</ref> was “Sherringford” – one of the names Sir Arthur C. Doyle considered for his protagonist before choosing “Sherlock Holmes”, a likely indication that someone in the Black Organization is a fan of the detective. Conan’s knowing expression when he lets Okiya stay next door clearly shows he has another reason for why he trusts Okiya.<ref name=Neighbor/>

	===Haibara suspects Okiya to be someone, most likely Dai ===		===Haibara suspects Okiya to be someone, most likely Dai ===
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	===Conan doesn't want Okiya to learn much about Shinichi - because Conan is paranoid even around allies===		===Conan doesn't want Okiya to learn much about Shinichi - because Conan is paranoid even around allies===
	Conan hid all his pictures and family albums and told Ran not to talk about Shinichi around Okiya. As stated before, Conan is a paranoid person even when he is pretty sure the people he is cooperating with are allies. He didn't trust Jodie right up until Vermouth revealed herself.<ref name=~~The_Truth>Manga Volume 42 File 9: The Truth Behind the Mask<~~/~~ref~~> Conan is purposefully limiting the number of people who know information that could get everyone around him killed. The Black Organization has gotten the better of the FBI in past cases and the Black Organization probably spies on the FBI heavily - proven when they quickly found out about Camel's involvement in a case before it became public. Thus if it isn’t necessary, Conan would probably prefer that the FBI doesn’t learn his true identity.		Conan hid all his pictures and family albums and told Ran not to talk about Shinichi around Okiya. As stated before, Conan is a paranoid person even when he is pretty sure the people he is cooperating with are allies. He didn't trust Jodie right up until Vermouth revealed herself.<ref name=The_Truth1/> Conan is purposefully limiting the number of people who know information that could get everyone around him killed. The Black Organization has gotten the better of the FBI in past cases and the Black Organization probably spies on the FBI heavily - proven when they quickly found out about Camel's involvement in a case before it became public. Thus if it isn’t necessary, Conan would probably prefer that the FBI doesn’t learn his true identity.

	===Ran has the feeling she shouldn't talk about Shinichi with Okiya - because Akai is scary===		===Ran has the feeling she shouldn't talk about Shinichi with Okiya - because Akai is scary===

Time Lord Enthusiast: /* Okiya is NOT Yusaku Kudo */

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Okiya is NOT Yusaku Kudo

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	Okiya is unlikely to be [[Yusaku Kudo]] in disguise.		Okiya is unlikely to be [[Yusaku Kudo]] in disguise.
	#Okiya is left handed while Yusaku Kudo appears to be right handed based although he may be ambidextrous.<ref name=Yusaku>Manga Volume 6 File 1 Page 12: The Truth Under The Mask</ref>		#Okiya is left handed while Yusaku Kudo appears to be right handed based although he may be ambidextrous.<ref name=Yusaku>Manga Volume 6 File 1 Page 12: The Truth Under The Mask</ref>
	#If Okiya was Yusaku, it doesn't make sense for Conan tell Ran not to talk about Shinichi in front of Yusaku. It is pointless because Yusaku already knows Conan’s secret and also knows Haibara's as well given that she was comfortable passing an [[~~Antidote (~~Prototype)\|antidote]] for Shinichi off to them during the London case.<ref name=London>File 752 Page 16: A Troublesome and Difficult Case</ref> At the very least Yukiko knows.<ref name=Darkness>Manga Volume 41 File 4 Page 11: Darkness is the Door to a Death Trap</ref>		#If Okiya was Yusaku, it doesn't make sense for Conan tell Ran not to talk about Shinichi in front of Yusaku. It is pointless because Yusaku already knows Conan’s secret and also knows Haibara's as well given that she was comfortable passing an [[Prototype antidote\|antidote]] for Shinichi off to them during the London case.<ref name=London>File 752 Page 16: A Troublesome and Difficult Case</ref> At the very least Yukiko knows.<ref name=Darkness>Manga Volume 41 File 4 Page 11: Darkness is the Door to a Death Trap</ref>
	#Ran has the feeling she shouldn’t talk about Shinichi in front of Okiya.<ref name=Message/> Why would Shinichi’s father, even in disguise, give her those vibes?		#Ran has the feeling she shouldn’t talk about Shinichi in front of Okiya.<ref name=Message/> Why would Shinichi’s father, even in disguise, give her those vibes?
	#It seems unusual that Professor Agasa would not have felt like he knew Okiya from somewhere considering that Yusaku is a close friend and old neighbor of his.		#It seems unusual that Professor Agasa would not have felt like he knew Okiya from somewhere considering that Yusaku is a close friend and old neighbor of his.

Nakamura at 04:11, 15 December 2024

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	~~{{FeaturedArticle\|April 30, 2012}}~~
	[[Subaru Okiya]]'s true identity is actually FBI Agent [[Shuichi Akai]] in disguise after [[Akai's fake death technique\|faking his death]] with CIA Agent [[Hidemi Hondou]]'s and [[Conan Edogawa]]'s help. This theory article compiles clues and logical arguments that Okiya is really Shuichi Akai.		[[Subaru Okiya]]'s true identity is actually FBI Agent [[Shuichi Akai]] in disguise after [[Akai's fake death technique\|faking his death]] with CIA Agent [[Hidemi Hondou]]'s and [[Conan Edogawa]]'s help. This theory article compiles clues and logical arguments that Okiya is really Shuichi Akai.

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	== References ==		== References ==
	~~<references/>~~		{{reflist}}
			{{FeaturedArticle\|April 30, 2012}}

	[[Category:Theories]]		[[Category:Theories]]

Santas20: Space coma

2021-07-03T04:40:52Z

Space coma

Jimmy-kud0-tv2: /* Ran feels like she has seen Okiya before */

2016-02-15T03:31:59Z

Ran feels like she has seen Okiya before

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	===Ran feels like she has seen Okiya before===		===Ran feels like she has seen Okiya before===
	Ran feels like she has seen Okiya from somewhere.<ref name=Ran_Recognize>Manga Volume 61 File 8 Page 13: Paper Airplane</ref> Ran has met Akai three times that she can remember: once in New York City,<ref name=NY_Case>Manga Volume 35 File 4 Page 2: Title Golden Apple</ref> in a restaurant,<ref name=Sato>Manga Volume 33 File 1 Page 14: Sato's Engagement Bet</ref> and another time after the "~~Dark Footprint~~" arc.<ref name=White_Snow>Manga Volume 37 File 8 Page 1: White Snow, Black Shadow</ref> Ran's hunches are also reliable; in the "Shirigami" case<ref name=Shiragami>Manga Volume 62 File 10 Page 7: True Identity</ref> Ran acted abnormally around the fake Shinichi despite not consciously knowing the reason.		Ran feels like she has seen Okiya from somewhere.<ref name=Ran_Recognize>Manga Volume 61 File 8 Page 13: Paper Airplane</ref> Ran has met Akai three times that she can remember: once in New York City,<ref name=NY_Case>Manga Volume 35 File 4 Page 2: Title Golden Apple</ref> in a restaurant,<ref name=Sato>Manga Volume 33 File 1 Page 14: Sato's Engagement Bet</ref> and another time after the "[[On the Trail of a Silent Witness\|Suguru Itakura]]" arc.<ref name=White_Snow>Manga Volume 37 File 8 Page 1: White Snow, Black Shadow</ref> Ran's hunches are also reliable; in the "Shirigami" case<ref name=Shiragami>Manga Volume 62 File 10 Page 7: True Identity</ref> Ran acted abnormally around the fake Shinichi despite not consciously knowing the reason.

	=== Okiya and Akai use similar expressions ===		=== Okiya and Akai use similar expressions ===

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212.162.177.96: No it´s not wrong you idiot it´s correct i hate you

2015-10-13T10:00:41Z

No it´s not wrong you idiot it´s correct i hate you

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212.162.177.96: Wrong edit.

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Wrong edit.

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212.162.177.96: Wow that´s really shitty. Better switch back to the old theories. Are you that idiot that always interrupts my classes by saying he is going to be become the USA president. Because if so that´s not gonna happen.

2015-10-13T09:55:32Z

Wow that´s really shitty. Better switch back to the old theories. Are you that idiot that always interrupts my classes by saying he is going to be become the USA president. Because if so that´s not gonna happen.

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212.162.177.96: The info is already in the Subaru Okiya article so i just add the orgin of the theory.

2015-10-13T08:17:53Z

The info is already in the Subaru Okiya article so i just add the orgin of the theory.

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	===Conan lied to Haibara about why he trusts Okiya===		===Conan lied to Haibara about why he trusts Okiya===
	"A Holmes fan can't be a bad person!"<ref name=Neighbor>Manga [[Volume 60]] File 5 Page 16: The New Neighbor</ref>: this is a poor excuse. There was an entire murder case where all the suspects were Holmes fans.<ref name=Holmes_case>Manga Volume 12 Files 7-10, Volume 13 File 1: Holmes Freak Murder Case</ref> Conan didn't trust any of them. The password for the APTX data in "Reunion With the Black Corps"<ref name=The_Bullet>Manga Volume 24 File 10 Page 11: The Bullet from the Past</ref> was “Sherringford” – one of the names Sir Arthur C. Doyle considered for his protagonist before choosing “Sherlock ~~Holmes~~,” a likely indication that someone in the Black Organization is a fan of the detective. Conan’s knowing expression when he lets Okiya stay next door clearly shows he has another reason for why he trusts Okiya.<ref name=Neighbor/>		"A Holmes fan can't be a bad person!"<ref name=Neighbor>Manga [[Volume 60]] File 5 Page 16: The New Neighbor</ref>: this is a poor excuse. There was an entire murder case where all the suspects were Holmes fans.<ref name=Holmes_case>Manga Volume 12 Files 7-10, Volume 13 File 1: Holmes Freak Murder Case</ref> Conan didn't trust any of them. The password for the APTX data in "Reunion With the Black Corps"<ref name=The_Bullet>Manga Volume 24 File 10 Page 11: The Bullet from the Past</ref> was “Sherringford” – one of the names Sir Arthur C. Doyle considered for his protagonist before choosing “Sherlock Holmes”, a likely indication that someone in the Black Organization is a fan of the detective. Conan’s knowing expression when he lets Okiya stay next door clearly shows he has another reason for why he trusts Okiya.<ref name=Neighbor/>

	===Haibara suspects Okiya to be someone, most likely Dai ===		===Haibara suspects Okiya to be someone, most likely Dai ===
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	=== Okiya and Akai use similar expressions ===		=== Okiya and Akai use similar expressions ===
	Okiya and Akai sometimes use similar expressions. Okiya at one point admonishes Haibara "not to make that kind of face."<ref name="800pg11">Volume 76, File 5, page 11, Chap 800: "Online Client"</ref> Akai has used that line twice before, once to Conan in Clash of Red and Black<ref name="602pg15">Volume 58, File 5, page 15, Chap 602: "Clash of Red and Black"</ref> and once as Moroboshi Dai in Haibara's past.<ref name="802pg10">Volume 76, File 7, page 10, Chap 802: "Don't make that kind of face..."</ref> Both Akai and Okiya refer to the Black Organization members as wolves.<ref name="599pg6">Volume 58, File 2, Page 6, Chap 599</ref><ref name="704pg16">Volume 67, File 8, page 16, Chap 704</ref>		Okiya and Akai sometimes use similar expressions. Okiya at one point admonishes Haibara "not to make that kind of face".<ref name="800pg11">Volume 76, File 5, page 11, Chap 800: "Online Client"</ref> Akai has used that line twice before, once to Conan in Clash of Red and Black<ref name="602pg15">Volume 58, File 5, page 15, Chap 602: "Clash of Red and Black"</ref> and once as Moroboshi Dai in Haibara's past.<ref name="802pg10">Volume 76, File 7, page 10, Chap 802: "Don't make that kind of face..."</ref> Both Akai and Okiya refer to the Black Organization members as wolves.<ref name="599pg6">Volume 58, File 2, Page 6, Chap 599</ref><ref name="704pg16">Volume 67, File 8, page 16, Chap 704</ref>

	===Okiya hints to Jodie that things may not be as they seem===		===Okiya hints to Jodie that things may not be as they seem===
	When Okiya runs into Jodie at the department store and knocks her down, he tells her, "The division of fault is 50/50. You also bear some of the blame for neglecting to pay attention to your surroundings." It's not a throwaway line. As this occurred during Jodie's chase for "Shuu," aka Scar Akai, one can surmise that Okiya's intention may have been to hint, "I'm right here."		When Okiya runs into Jodie at the department store and knocks her down, he tells her, "The division of fault is 50/50. You also bear some of the blame for neglecting to pay attention to your surroundings". It's not a throwaway line. As this occurred during Jodie's chase for "Shuu", aka Scar Akai, one can surmise that Okiya's intention may have been to hint, "I'm right here".

	===Smiled at Masumi Sera===		===Smiled at Masumi Sera===
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	===="Subaru Okiya", "Dai Moroboshi", and "Shuichi Akai" are all references to Mobile Suit Gundam character Char Aznable====		===="Subaru Okiya", "Dai Moroboshi", and "Shuichi Akai" are all references to Mobile Suit Gundam character Char Aznable====
	The “Akai” (meaning red) part of Akai’s name refers to Mobile Suit Gundam character Char Aznable’s nickname “Red ~~comet~~.” “Shuichi” is a reference to the voice actor of Char Aznable, Ikeda Shuichi (who incidentally became Akai’s voice actor too). Dai Moroboshi, the alias Akai used while he was undercover in the Black Organization, comes from part of Char's real name, Casval Rem Deikun, with "Dei" pronounced as "Dai" (ダイ) in Japanese. In Moroboshi (諸星), the first kanji can be broken up into 言者 which when pronounced as げんしゃ (gensho) sounds very similar to the word for "phenomenon" (genshou). The second character (星) means "star". Moroboshi, read as "Star phenomenon" references falling stars or maybe comets. “Subaru Okiya” is a pun on Char Aznable’s real name which is キャスバル “Kyasubaru” (romanized as 'Casval').<ref name=Char_Aznable>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Char_Aznable</ref>		The “Akai” (meaning red) part of Akai’s name refers to Mobile Suit Gundam character Char Aznable’s nickname “Red comet”. “Shuichi” is a reference to the voice actor of Char Aznable, Ikeda Shuichi (who incidentally became Akai’s voice actor too). Dai Moroboshi, the alias Akai used while he was undercover in the Black Organization, comes from part of Char's real name, Casval Rem Deikun, with "Dei" pronounced as "Dai" (ダイ) in Japanese. In Moroboshi (諸星), the first kanji can be broken up into 言者 which when pronounced as げんしゃ (gensho) sounds very similar to the word for "phenomenon" (genshou). The second character (星) means "star". Moroboshi, read as "Star phenomenon" references falling stars or maybe comets. “Subaru Okiya” is a pun on Char Aznable’s real name which is キャスバル “Kyasubaru” (romanized as 'Casval').<ref name=Char_Aznable>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Char_Aznable</ref>

	====Subaru Okiya was the "red guy"====		====Subaru Okiya was the "red guy"====
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	===Mystery train===		===Mystery train===
	The mystery train arc gave many hints that Okiya is Akai. As pointed out earlier, he smiled at Sera when she mentioned Akai. The second one was when Haibara was about to take the drug and return to her adult form, he barged into the hallway and said, "Just as expected of sisters, I can read all your moves," implying that he knew Haibara's sister very well. This could not have been possible if he were just a graduate student living in Conan's house. However, Akemi Miyano was Shuichi Akai's girlfriend, and so it is possible that he was referencing the fact that he was Shuichi Akai. The third hint was revealed when Bourbon was about to capture Sherry, but someone throws a hand grenade from the corridor, causing the plan to fail and the carriage to explode. The silhouette shown is a person who looks like Akai but has on Okiya's clothes and Sera's hat. This gave almost concrete proof that Akai changed back to his original appearance to throw the grenade and at the end of the chapter, Subaru Okiya opens one of his eyes for the first time and they are shown to look exactly like Akai's.		The mystery train arc gave many hints that Okiya is Akai. As pointed out earlier, he smiled at Sera when she mentioned Akai. The second one was when Haibara was about to take the drug and return to her adult form, he barged into the hallway and said, "Just as expected of sisters, I can read all your moves", implying that he knew Haibara's sister very well. This could not have been possible if he were just a graduate student living in Conan's house. However, Akemi Miyano was Shuichi Akai's girlfriend, and so it is possible that he was referencing the fact that he was Shuichi Akai. The third hint was revealed when Bourbon was about to capture Sherry, but someone throws a hand grenade from the corridor, causing the plan to fail and the carriage to explode. The silhouette shown is a person who looks like Akai but has on Okiya's clothes and Sera's hat. This gave almost concrete proof that Akai changed back to his original appearance to throw the grenade and at the end of the chapter, Subaru Okiya opens one of his eyes for the first time and they are shown to look exactly like Akai's.

	==Rebuttals of arguments that Okiya is a member of the Black Organization==		==Rebuttals of arguments that Okiya is a member of the Black Organization==
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	===What is the meaning of Okiya's line about "I've known his face..."? - it was a secret message for Conan===		===What is the meaning of Okiya's line about "I've known his face..."? - it was a secret message for Conan===
	In "Silent Clash", Okiya says something mysterious about seeing someone familiar from the Teito bank heist.<ref name=bank_heist>Manga Volume 65 Files 3-5: Detective Boys vs. Burglar Gang</ref> It was a message for Conan. Conan knows from what Okiya said that he had seen [[scar Akai]], and Okiya's comments that, "Actually, I happened to see him on that floor. Unfortunately, it seems he wasn't who I thought he was, so I didn't talk to him. I've known his face for a very long time... There's no way I could be mistaken."<ref name=Face>Manga Volume 67 File 8 Page 16: Silent Clash</ref> His quote can be parsed: "Actually, I happened to see that person who looked like Akai on that floor. This Akai wasn't the real Akai (since I'm the real one), and I didn't confront him. Being the real Akai, this scar Akai is obviously someone else..." Okiya is layering his conversation with a second meaning, confirming there is someone disguising as Akai for Conan's benefit, and Conan is surprised and nervous about the info since scar Akai is someone in disguise, possibly an operative from the Black Organization because they have the necessary information and motives.		In "Silent Clash", Okiya says something mysterious about seeing someone familiar from the Teito bank heist.<ref name=bank_heist>Manga Volume 65 Files 3-5: Detective Boys vs. Burglar Gang</ref> It was a message for Conan. Conan knows from what Okiya said that he had seen [[scar Akai]], and Okiya's comments that, "Actually, I happened to see him on that floor. Unfortunately, it seems he wasn't who I thought he was, so I didn't talk to him. I've known his face for a very long time... There's no way I could be mistaken".<ref name=Face>Manga Volume 67 File 8 Page 16: Silent Clash</ref> His quote can be parsed: "Actually, I happened to see that person who looked like Akai on that floor. This Akai wasn't the real Akai (since I'm the real one), and I didn't confront him. Being the real Akai, this scar Akai is obviously someone else..." Okiya is layering his conversation with a second meaning, confirming there is someone disguising as Akai for Conan's benefit, and Conan is surprised and nervous about the info since scar Akai is someone in disguise, possibly an operative from the Black Organization because they have the necessary information and motives.

	=== Okiya said he had a promise to "her", the promise may be to Akemi ===		=== Okiya said he had a promise to "her", the promise may be to Akemi ===