Magic Kaito Organization - Revision history

DavidHolandaOne: /* Manga to anime differences */

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	== Manga to anime differences ==		== Manga to anime differences ==
	* Rose and Spider ~~don't exist~~ in the ~~manga~~.		* [[Rose]] and [[Spider]] are anime-original characters who works for the Magic Kaito Organization, added in [[OVA 4\|Conan, Kid, and the Crystal Mother]]<sup>(OVA 4)</sup> and [[Magic Kaito: Kid the Phantom Thief]] retrospectively.

	== See also ==		== See also ==

DavidHolandaOne: /* Relation to the Black Organization from Detective Conan */

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Relation to the Black Organization from Detective Conan

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	When Snake arrived to steal the Red Tear, he had one of his men dress as the Kaitou Kid while he himself went backstage and non-fatally shot many in the magician troupe in an attempt to get Jody to turn the gem over to him. He was about to shoot Jody but Kaito saved her life, then led Snake on a chase which ended in the latter falling out a window. Snake landed safely on an adjacent roof and presumably fled.		When Snake arrived to steal the Red Tear, he had one of his men dress as the Kaitou Kid while he himself went backstage and non-fatally shot many in the magician troupe in an attempt to get Jody to turn the gem over to him. He was about to shoot Jody but Kaito saved her life, then led Snake on a chase which ended in the latter falling out a window. Snake landed safely on an adjacent roof and presumably fled.

	== Relation to the Black Organization ~~from Detective Conan~~ ==		== Relation to the Detective Conan's Black Organization ==
	For a long time, it was unknown if the [[Magic Kaito]]'s unnamed organization and [[Detective Conan]]'s [[Black Organization]] are the same organization, partners, or entirely unrelated to one another.		For a long time, it was unknown if the [[Magic Kaito]]'s unnamed organization and [[Detective Conan]]'s [[Black Organization]] are the same organization, partners, or entirely unrelated to one another.

DavidHolandaOne: /* Relation to the Black Organization from Detective Conan */

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Relation to the Black Organization from Detective Conan

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	== Relation to the Black Organization from Detective Conan ==		== Relation to the Black Organization from Detective Conan ==
	For a long time, it was unknown if the Magic Kaito's unnamed organization and Detective Conan's [[Black Organization]] are the same organization, partners, or entirely unrelated to one another.		For a long time, it was unknown if the [[Magic Kaito]]'s unnamed organization and [[Detective Conan]]'s [[Black Organization]] are the same organization, partners, or entirely unrelated to one another.

	This question was finally settled when Gosho Aoyama was asked at the 2016 Singapore Writer's Festival, whether the two were the same, to which he answered that the Black Organization and the Magic Kaito Organization are not the same and they are completely different organizations<ref>[http://conan-4869.net/post-29331/3 http://conan-4869.net/post-29331/3] <br>		This question was finally settled when Gosho Aoyama was asked at the 2016 Singapore Writer's Festival, whether the two were the same, to which he answered that the Black Organization and the Magic Kaito Organization are not the same and they are completely different organizations<ref>[http://conan-4869.net/post-29331/3 http://conan-4869.net/post-29331/3] <br>

DavidHolandaOne: /* Relation to the Black Organization from Detective Conan */

2026-07-06T17:31:54Z

Relation to the Black Organization from Detective Conan

Time Lord Enthusiast at 03:23, 18 August 2025

2025-08-18T03:23:53Z

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	\| image = Snake and flunkies.png		\| image = Snake and flunkies.png
	\| boss = [[Magic Kaito Boss\|Boss]]		\| boss = [[Magic Kaito Boss\|Boss]]
	\| members = [[Snake]] <br> [[Magic Kaito Sub-boss\|Sub-boss]] <font size=1>(second-in-command)</font><br> [[Spider]] <font size=1>(TV specials only)</font><br> [[Rose]] <font size=1>([[OVA 4]] only)</font>		\| members = [[Snake]] <br> [[Magic Kaito Sub-boss\|Sub-boss]] <font size=1>(second-in-command)</font><br> [[Spider]] <font size=1>(TV specials only)</font><br> [[Rose]] <font size=1>([[Conan, Kid, and the Crystal Mother\|OVA 4]] only)</font>
	\| first-appearance = Manga: [[Magic Kaito Volume 3#Chapter 18\|MK Chapter 18]] <br> Anime: [[The Fated Blue Birthday\|Episode 5]]		\| first-appearance = Manga: [[Magic Kaito Volume 3#Chapter 18\|MK Chapter 18]] <br> Anime: [[The Fated Blue Birthday\|Episode 5]]
	\| appearances = Magic Kaito: [[Magic Kaito Organization Appearances\|4]] <br> {{:Magic Kaito Organization Appearances}}		\| appearances = Magic Kaito: [[Magic Kaito Organization Appearances\|4]] <br> {{:Magic Kaito Organization Appearances}}

Zacharyroo33: /* Arguments for */

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Arguments for

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	* Snake could be short for [[Wikipedia: Snake wine\|snake wine]]. The anime-only character Rose may be a reference to [[Wikipedia: Rose wine\|rose wine]], and the other anime-only character Spider was drinking some sort of alcohol from a bottle called 'spider'.		* Snake could be short for [[Wikipedia: Snake wine\|snake wine]]. The anime-only character Rose may be a reference to [[Wikipedia: Rose wine\|rose wine]], and the other anime-only character Spider was drinking some sort of alcohol from a bottle called 'spider'.
	* Toichi Kuroba taught [[Sharon Vineyard]] the finer art of disguise.		* Toichi Kuroba taught [[Sharon Vineyard]] the finer art of disguise.
			* Snake also bears some resemblance to the deceased Black Organization agent [[Tequila]].

	=== Arguments against ===		=== Arguments against ===

Aquahorse: /* Manga to anime differences */

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Manga to anime differences

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	== Manga to anime differences ==		== Manga to anime differences ==
	* Rose and Spider ~~do not~~ exist in the manga.		* Rose and Spider don't exist in the manga.

	== See also ==		== See also ==

185.93.230.10 at 11:57, 5 August 2019

2019-08-05T11:57:15Z

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	\| english-name = No official name		\| english-name = No official name
	\| image = Snake and flunkies.png		\| image = Snake and flunkies.png
	\| boss = [[Magic Kaito Boss]]		\| boss = [[Magic Kaito Boss\|Boss]]
	\| members = [[Snake]] <br> [[Magic Kaito Sub-boss\|Sub-boss]] <font size=1>(second-in-command)</font><br> [[Spider]] <font size=1>(TV specials only)</font><br> [[Rose]] <font size=1>([[OVA 4]] only)</font>		\| members = [[Snake]] <br> [[Magic Kaito Sub-boss\|Sub-boss]] <font size=1>(second-in-command)</font><br> [[Spider]] <font size=1>(TV specials only)</font><br> [[Rose]] <font size=1>([[OVA 4]] only)</font>
	\| first-appearance = Manga: [[Magic Kaito Volume 3#Chapter 18\|MK Chapter 18]] <br> Anime: [[The Fated Blue Birthday\|Episode 5]]		\| first-appearance = Manga: [[Magic Kaito Volume 3#Chapter 18\|MK Chapter 18]] <br> Anime: [[The Fated Blue Birthday\|Episode 5]]

185.93.230.10 at 11:56, 5 August 2019

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	\| footnotes = "Magic Kaito Organization" is a fan created nickname used to distinguish this organization from the [[Black Organization]] that appears in ''[[Detective Conan]]''.		\| footnotes = "Magic Kaito Organization" is a fan created nickname used to distinguish this organization from the [[Black Organization]] that appears in ''[[Detective Conan]]''.
	}}		}}
	This unnamed criminal organization is the primary antagonist in ''[[Magic Kaito]]''. The organization's goal is to acquire the [[Pandora Gem]] that grants immortality when a certain comet passes overhead. They are [[Kaitou Kid]]~~'s deadly enemies~~.		This unnamed criminal organization is the primary antagonist in ''[[Magic Kaito]]''. The organization's goal is to acquire the [[Pandora Gem]] that grants immortality when a certain comet passes overhead. They are the true deadly enemies of [[Kaitou Kid]].

	== Members ==		== Members ==

185.93.230.10 at 11:44, 5 August 2019

2019-08-05T11:44:51Z

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	\| footnotes = "Magic Kaito Organization" is a fan created nickname used to distinguish this organization from the [[Black Organization]] that appears in ''[[Detective Conan]]''.		\| footnotes = "Magic Kaito Organization" is a fan created nickname used to distinguish this organization from the [[Black Organization]] that appears in ''[[Detective Conan]]''.
	}}		}}
	This unnamed criminal organization is the primary antagonist in ''[[Magic Kaito]]''. The organization's goal is to acquire the [[Pandora Gem]] that grants immortality when a certain comet passes overhead.		This unnamed criminal organization is the primary antagonist in ''[[Magic Kaito]]''. The organization's goal is to acquire the [[Pandora Gem]] that grants immortality when a certain comet passes overhead. They are [[Kaitou Kid]]'s deadly enemies.

	== Members ==		== Members ==

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	\| image = Snake and flunkies.png		\| image = Snake and flunkies.png
	\| boss = [[Magic Kaito Boss\|Boss]]		\| boss = [[Magic Kaito Boss\|Boss]]
	\| members = [[Snake]] <br> [[Magic Kaito Sub-boss\|Sub-boss]] <font size=1>(second-in-command)</font><br> [[Spider]] <font size=1>(TV specials only)</font><br> [[Rose]] <font size=1>([[OVA 4]] only)</font>		\| members = [[Snake]] <br> [[Magic Kaito Sub-boss\|Sub-boss]] <font size=1>(second-in-command)</font><br> [[Spider]] <font size=1>(TV specials only)</font><br> [[Rose]] <font size=1>([[Conan, Kid, and the Crystal Mother\|OVA 4]] only)</font>
	\| first-appearance = Manga: [[Magic Kaito Volume 3#Chapter 18\|MK Chapter 18]] <br> Anime: [[The Fated Blue Birthday\|Episode 5]]		\| first-appearance = Manga: [[Magic Kaito Volume 3#Chapter 18\|MK Chapter 18]] <br> Anime: [[The Fated Blue Birthday\|Episode 5]]
	\| appearances = Magic Kaito: [[Magic Kaito Organization Appearances\|4]] <br> {{:Magic Kaito Organization Appearances}}		\| appearances = Magic Kaito: [[Magic Kaito Organization Appearances\|4]] <br> {{:Magic Kaito Organization Appearances}}

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	== Relation to the Black Organization from Detective Conan ==		== Relation to the Black Organization from Detective Conan ==
	For a long time, it was unknown if the Magic Kaito's unnamed organization and Detective Conan's [[Black Organization]] are the same organization, partners, or entirely unrelated to one another~~. Theories for or against their connection have been presented by fans~~.		For a long time, it was unknown if the Magic Kaito's unnamed organization and Detective Conan's [[Black Organization]] are the same organization, partners, or entirely unrelated to one another.

	This question was finally settled when Gosho Aoyama was asked at the 2016 Singapore Writer's Festival, whether the two were the same, to which ~~Gosho~~ answered, that the Black Organization and the Magic Kaito Organization are not the same and completely different organizations<ref>[http://conan-4869.net/post-29331/3 http://conan-4869.net/post-29331/3] <br>		This question was finally settled when Gosho Aoyama was asked at the 2016 Singapore Writer's Festival, whether the two were the same, to which he answered that the Black Organization and the Magic Kaito Organization are not the same and they are completely different organizations<ref>[http://conan-4869.net/post-29331/3 http://conan-4869.net/post-29331/3] <br>
	Q31: 私は怪盗キッドのファンです。もっと怪盗キッドを出して欲しい。コナンに出てくる黒の組織と、マジック快斗に出てくる組織は同じですか？<br>		Q31: 私は怪盗キッドのファンです。もっと怪盗キッドを出して欲しい。コナンに出てくる黒の組織と、マジック快斗に出てくる組織は同じですか？<br>
	A: 違います。まったく違う組織。<br>		A: 違います。まったく違う組織。<br>
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	'''A:''' They aren't the same. They are completely different organizations.<br></ref>.		'''A:''' They aren't the same. They are completely different organizations.<br></ref>.

	=== ~~Arguments for~~ ===		=== Similarities/Connections ===
	* They are both mysterious well structured organizations that use codenames, making their assassinations seem like accidents and leaving no evidence.		* They are both mysterious well structured organizations that use codenames, making their assassinations seem like accidents and leaving no evidence.
	* Their bosses are referred to as "that person" (Ano kata).		* Their bosses are referred to as "that person" (Ano kata).
	* They both are potentially interested in obtaining immortality. The Magic Kaito Organization is looking for Pandora for the purposes of immortality. One of the most common theories is that Black Organization is working on [[~~APTX 4869~~]] ~~in order to achieve immortality.~~		* [[Snake]] could be short for [[Wikipedia: Snake wine\|snake wine]]. The [[OVA 4\|OVA-only]] character [[Rose]] may be a reference to [[Wikipedia: Rose wine\|rose wine]], and the anime-only character [[Spider]] was drinking some sort of alcohol from a bottle called 'spider'.
	* Snake could be short for [[Wikipedia: Snake wine\|snake wine]]. The ~~anime~~-only character Rose may be a reference to [[Wikipedia: Rose wine\|rose wine]], and the ~~other~~ anime-only character Spider was drinking some sort of alcohol from a bottle called 'spider'.
	* Toichi Kuroba taught [[Sharon Vineyard]] the finer art of disguise.		* Toichi Kuroba taught [[Sharon Vineyard]] the finer art of disguise.
	* Snake also bears some resemblance to the deceased Black Organization agent [[Tequila]].		* Snake also bears some resemblance to the deceased Black Organization agent [[Tequila]].

	=== ~~Arguments against~~ ===		=== Differences ===
	* Their codename schemes are different. The member of the Magic Kaito organization that claimed responsibility for killing Toichi eight years ago is referred to as "[[Snake]]"<ref>{{cite book\|last=Aoyama\|first=Gosho\|title=Magic Kaito\|volume=3\|publisher=Shogakukan\|date=1994-10-15\|isbn=4-09-122093-5\|chapter=Blue Birthday\|language=Japanese\|location=Tokyo\|page=140}}</ref>, a nickname that doesn't fit in with the codenames of the Black Organization, suggesting they are two separate groups. The codename could be made to fit if Snake refers to snake wine, but because Kaitou Kid's origins have yet to be reexplained within the Detective Conan story, this is only speculation. Additionally a new member introduced in the anime by the name of Spider once again doesn't fit with the Black Organization's alcohol codenames.		* Their codename schemes are different. The member of the Magic Kaito organization that claimed responsibility for killing Toichi eight years ago is referred to as "[[Snake]]"<ref>{{cite book\|last=Aoyama\|first=Gosho\|title=Magic Kaito\|volume=3\|publisher=Shogakukan\|date=1994-10-15\|isbn=4-09-122093-5\|chapter=Blue Birthday\|language=Japanese\|location=Tokyo\|page=140}}</ref>, a nickname that doesn't fit in with the codenames of the Black Organization, suggesting they are two separate groups. The codename could be made to fit if Snake refers to snake wine, but because Kaitou Kid's origins have yet to be reexplained within the Detective Conan story, this is only speculation. Additionally a new member introduced in the anime by the name of Spider once again doesn't fit with the Black Organization's alcohol codenames.
	* The Magic Kaito Organization uses much less subtle methods than the Black Organization. Snake confronts his targets openly while making no effort to hide face or eliminate those who saw him afterwards. He does not bother to silence his gun either.		* The Magic Kaito Organization uses much less subtle methods than the Black Organization. Snake confronts his targets openly while making no effort to hide face or eliminate those who saw him afterwards. He does not bother to silence his gun either.
	* In the anime, the members of the Magic Kaito Organization are not shown to wear black outfits, as the Black Organization tends to do.		* In the anime, the members of the Magic Kaito Organization are not shown to wear black outfits, as the Black Organization tends to do.
	* The Magic Kaito Organization is looking for a magical gem called Pandora. The magical nature of Magic Kaito and its organization's search does not mesh with the non-magical setting of Detective Conan. Also it is absolutely never shown nor hinted that the Black Organization is hunting for some sort of jewelry.		* The Magic Kaito Organization is looking for a magical gem called Pandora. The magical nature of Magic Kaito and its organization's search does not mesh with the non-magical setting of Detective Conan. Also it is absolutely never shown nor hinted that the Black Organization is hunting for some sort of jewelry.
			* The Magic Kaito Organization is looking for Pandora for the purposes of immortality. While believed for the longest time to the case for [[Black Organization]], Gosho Aoyama confirmed in a Q&A that the goal was not to achieve immortality{{Citation needed}}, leaving it still unknown.

	== Manga to anime differences ==		== Manga to anime differences ==