Detective Conan Wiki talk:Manual of Style - Revision history

Intervencion: /* Naming this Page (Suggestion) */

2020-08-25T13:08:40Z

‎Naming this Page (Suggestion)

Fray Dalton: /* Naming this Page (Suggestion) */ new section

2020-06-30T12:17:04Z

‎Naming this Page (Suggestion): new section

Chekhov MacGuffin: /* Appearances in recaps */ new section

2017-07-29T19:41:38Z

‎Appearances in recaps: new section

Chekhov MacGuffin: /* Cast lists, order draft ideas. */ new section

2016-04-20T19:48:14Z

‎Cast lists, order draft ideas.: new section

Chekhov MacGuffin: /* Opinions */ Laziness ACTIVATE!

2014-05-27T18:46:34Z

‎Opinions: Laziness ACTIVATE!

Al-mousawi: /* Should "name in other languages" be from official materials only? */

2014-05-26T16:57:24Z

‎Should "name in other languages" be from official materials only?

Black Demon: /* Opinions */

2014-05-26T13:56:08Z

‎Opinions

Black Demon: /* Should "name in other languages" be from official materials only? */ new section

2014-05-26T13:52:55Z

‎Should "name in other languages" be from official materials only?: new section

Chekhov MacGuffin: /* Need to codify what goes in character galleries before it gets out of hand */ new section

2013-08-20T06:46:22Z

‎Need to codify what goes in character galleries before it gets out of hand: new section

Black Demon: /* Opinions */ My opinion

2013-08-15T02:30:46Z

‎Opinions: My opinion

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	I think '''Manual of Style''' might not right, how about name it ''Styling Standard'' or ''Styling Requirements''		I think '''Manual of Style''' might not right, how about name it ''Styling Standard'' or ''Styling Requirements''
		+	:Doesn't matter much and people are already used to the current name--[[User:Intervencion\|Intervencion]] ([[User talk:Intervencion\|talk]]) 13:08, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

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	For appearances pages/cast lists for episodes we don't count OPs, EDs, next Conan hints, other stingers, etc. Currently recaps at the beginning do count though. Should those be excluded too? I personally think so, since they aren't actually new content. Thoughts?		For appearances pages/cast lists for episodes we don't count OPs, EDs, next Conan hints, other stingers, etc. Currently recaps at the beginning do count though. Should those be excluded too? I personally think so, since they aren't actually new content. Thoughts?
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		+	== Naming this Page (Suggestion) ==
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		+	I think '''Manual of Style''' might not right, how about name it ''Styling Standard'' or ''Styling Requirements''

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	Third: Characters who are not the stars of the case, sorted by rareness and rough chronological order. Characters who come in pairs or groups, as long as one member isn't a star for an episode while the others are not, are kept together as a cluster. Examples of groups are the Detective Boys, the main Japanese police, FBI, Black Organization.<br>		Third: Characters who are not the stars of the case, sorted by rareness and rough chronological order. Characters who come in pairs or groups, as long as one member isn't a star for an episode while the others are not, are kept together as a cluster. Examples of groups are the Detective Boys, the main Japanese police, FBI, Black Organization.<br>
	Fourth: Flashbacks, minor characters with little speaking roles, background chars, cameos, voices, on pictures, etc in rough order of appearance and importance.<br>		Fourth: Flashbacks, minor characters with little speaking roles, background chars, cameos, voices, on pictures, etc in rough order of appearance and importance.<br>
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		+	== Appearances in recaps ==
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		+	For appearances pages/cast lists for episodes we don't count OPs, EDs, next Conan hints, other stingers, etc. Currently recaps at the beginning do count though. Should those be excluded too? I personally think so, since they aren't actually new content. Thoughts?

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	:'''Chekhov's opinion:''' Same as BD, so no unofficial names.		:'''Chekhov's opinion:''' Same as BD, so no unofficial names.
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		+	== Cast lists, order draft ideas. ==
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		+	Several users have expressed displeasure that cast lists keep being rearranged. I think the only way to deal with this is to codify a style for the MoS. Several different rulesets are possible so I would like to canvas for ideas.<br>
		+	I would also like to propose a policy addendum that anyone who makes a ''regular habit'' of nitpicking at the cast lists after they are put in the MoS format will be put on cast list probation, which can result in temporary banning if repeatedly violated. I figure that such a policy would be a balance between allowing editors fix a few particular pages they feel strongly about, while preventing editors from making a trivial editing career out of mucking with the cast lists.<br>
		+	Lastly, I have put a poll on the main forum in whether police officers should be listed by full name, or by title+name.
		+	[[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 21:48, 20 April 2016 (CEST)
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		+	=== Chekhov's proposal (anime pages, not volumes) ===
		+	First: Conan (Or Shinichi for the first episode and that one episode without Conan)<br>
		+	Second: the main featured characters of a case in rough order of their importance to that case. This is the only situation where a flashback or voice character could wind up early in the cast list rather than the end. eg (Kaitou Kid, Makoto, Sonoko) (Okiya, Amuro, Akai) (Shinichi (flashback), Ran) (Haibara, Ayumi)<br>
		+	Third: Characters who are not the stars of the case, sorted by rareness and rough chronological order. Characters who come in pairs or groups, as long as one member isn't a star for an episode while the others are not, are kept together as a cluster. Examples of groups are the Detective Boys, the main Japanese police, FBI, Black Organization.<br>
		+	Fourth: Flashbacks, minor characters with little speaking roles, background chars, cameos, voices, on pictures, etc in rough order of appearance and importance.<br>

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	:'''Opinion:''' I don't see the point of allowing fan-subs or scanlation names, they're the same as the Japanese one. Maybe the only difference is the script (in some languages). I prefer if we don't allow them, and write a comment in "In other languages" section warning editors not to write the names in other languages unless they're official. This can be done automatically to all articles using a bot or AutoWikiBrowser. --[[User:Al-mousawi\|Al-mousawi]] ([[User talk:Al-mousawi\|talk]]) 18:57, 26 May 2014 (CEST)		:'''Opinion:''' I don't see the point of allowing fan-subs or scanlation names, they're the same as the Japanese one. Maybe the only difference is the script (in some languages). I prefer if we don't allow them, and write a comment in "In other languages" section warning editors not to write the names in other languages unless they're official. This can be done automatically to all articles using a bot or AutoWikiBrowser. --[[User:Al-mousawi\|Al-mousawi]] ([[User talk:Al-mousawi\|talk]]) 18:57, 26 May 2014 (CEST)
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		+	:'''Chekhov's opinion:''' Same as BD, so no unofficial names.

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	===Opinions===		===Opinions===
	:'''Black Demon's opinion:''' I think we should stick to official information from legally authorized materials (i.e not fan-made in any way), even if the fan translations are technically accurate or the official volumes/episodes in question will never be released. The main problem with fan translations is that there may exist many variants for a certain character name or episode title (especially with the latter). With characters' names, this usually happens when people can only provide an approximate transliteration basing purely on the name's pronunciation, unless it is properly written down somewhere ("Jodie Saintemillion" before V.34 for example). Another reason why we should restrict them to official materials is because not every country has been licensed to release Conan. If we also open to fan-translations, then probably everyone in the whole world will add a "likely" transliteration for the names in their languages. I don't think we have enough space and there's no way to determine if those transliterations are even close to reasonable. Of course, the biggest problem when doing this is that we can't verify whether some certain name matches with the official one in a country not familiar to us, nor can we check if the country even released official Conan materials to begin with. <s>(Wait, is Conan even allowed in North Korea!??)</s> However, I don't see accepting fans' would solve this problem, if not make it worse. '''TL;DR: We should only use official translations because otherwise there will be variants, and people from every country will add some versions of their own. --- <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT';font-size:17px">[[User:Black Demon\|'''<font color="#000000">Black</font>''']] [[User talk:Black Demon\|<font size=4 color="#FF0000">★</font>]] [[User:Black Demon\|'''<font color="#000000">Demon</font>''']]</span> 15:52, 26 May 2014 (CEST)		:'''Black Demon's opinion:''' I think we should stick to official information from legally authorized materials (i.e not fan-made in any way), even if the fan translations are technically accurate or the official volumes/episodes in question will never be released. The main problem with fan translations is that there may exist many variants for a certain character name or episode title (especially with the latter). With characters' names, this usually happens when people can only provide an approximate transliteration basing purely on the name's pronunciation, unless it is properly written down somewhere ("Jodie Saintemillion" before V.34 for example). Another reason why we should restrict them to official materials is because not every country has been licensed to release Conan. If we also open to fan-translations, then probably everyone in the whole world will add a "likely" transliteration for the names in their languages. I don't think we have enough space and there's no way to determine if those transliterations are even close to reasonable. Of course, the biggest problem when doing this is that we can't verify whether some certain name matches with the official one in a country not familiar to us, nor can we check if the country even released official Conan materials to begin with. <s>(Wait, is Conan even allowed in North Korea!??)</s> However, I don't see accepting fans' would solve this problem, if not make it worse. '''TL;DR: We should only use official translations because otherwise there will be variants, and people from every country will add some versions of their own. --- <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT';font-size:17px">[[User:Black Demon\|'''<font color="#000000">Black</font>''']] [[User talk:Black Demon\|<font size=4 color="#FF0000">★</font>]] [[User:Black Demon\|'''<font color="#000000">Demon</font>''']]</span> 15:52, 26 May 2014 (CEST)
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		+	:'''Opinion:''' I don't see the point of allowing fan-subs or scanlation names, they're the same as the Japanese one. Maybe the only difference is the script (in some languages). I prefer if we don't allow them, and write a comment in "In other languages" section warning editors not to write the names in other languages unless they're official. This can be done automatically to all articles using a bot or AutoWikiBrowser. --[[User:Al-mousawi\|Al-mousawi]] ([[User talk:Al-mousawi\|talk]]) 18:57, 26 May 2014 (CEST)

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	===Opinions===		===Opinions===
−	:'''Black Demon's opinion:''' I think we should stick to official information from legally authorized materials (i.e not fan-made in any way), even if the fan translations are technically accurate or the official volumes/episodes in question will never be released. The main problem with fan translations is that there may exist many variants for a certain character name or episode title (especially with the latter). With characters' names, this usually happens when people can only provide an approximate transliteration basing purely on the name's pronunciation, unless it is properly written down somewhere ("Jodie Saintemillion" before V.34 for example). Another reason why we should restrict them to official materials is because not every country has been licensed to release Conan. If we also open to fan-translations, then probably everyone in the whole world will add a "likely" transliteration for the names in their languages. I don't think we have enough space and there's no way to determine if those transliterations are even close to reasonable. Of course, the biggest problem when doing this is that we can't verify whether some certain name matches with the official one in a country not familiar to us, nor can we check if the country even released official Conan materials to begin with. <s>(Wait, is Conan even allowed in North Korea!??)</s> However, I don't see accepting fans' would solve this problem, if not make it worse. '''TL;DR: We should only use official translations because there will be variants, and people from every country will add some versions of their own. --- <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT';font-size:17px">[[User:Black Demon\|'''<font color="#000000">Black</font>''']] [[User talk:Black Demon\|<font size=4 color="#FF0000">★</font>]] [[User:Black Demon\|'''<font color="#000000">Demon</font>''']]</span> 15:52, 26 May 2014 (CEST)	+	:'''Black Demon's opinion:''' I think we should stick to official information from legally authorized materials (i.e not fan-made in any way), even if the fan translations are technically accurate or the official volumes/episodes in question will never be released. The main problem with fan translations is that there may exist many variants for a certain character name or episode title (especially with the latter). With characters' names, this usually happens when people can only provide an approximate transliteration basing purely on the name's pronunciation, unless it is properly written down somewhere ("Jodie Saintemillion" before V.34 for example). Another reason why we should restrict them to official materials is because not every country has been licensed to release Conan. If we also open to fan-translations, then probably everyone in the whole world will add a "likely" transliteration for the names in their languages. I don't think we have enough space and there's no way to determine if those transliterations are even close to reasonable. Of course, the biggest problem when doing this is that we can't verify whether some certain name matches with the official one in a country not familiar to us, nor can we check if the country even released official Conan materials to begin with. <s>(Wait, is Conan even allowed in North Korea!??)</s> However, I don't see accepting fans' would solve this problem, if not make it worse. '''TL;DR: We should only use official translations because otherwise there will be variants, and people from every country will add some versions of their own. --- <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT';font-size:17px">[[User:Black Demon\|'''<font color="#000000">Black</font>''']] [[User talk:Black Demon\|<font size=4 color="#FF0000">★</font>]] [[User:Black Demon\|'''<font color="#000000">Demon</font>''']]</span> 15:52, 26 May 2014 (CEST)

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	A while back I introduced galleries on character pages. I mostly used them for ±10 years images or other things of that nature, but I also used them as holding pens for orphaned images (I stopped doing that). It occurs to me now that character galleries have a potential to get out of hand. It would be bad if every image of each character wound up in their gallery. (That's what categories are for. I think it is worth making a serious push to add character categories to images.) I think the character galleries are useful in that they can be used for images which don't easily "fit" on the page but show aspects of a character that are worth noting like appearances in the future or past, Gosho's colored art, full body images/concept art, extremely characteristic scenes or poses, etc. At the same time we should nail down what doesn't go on gallery pages to avoid a massive image overflow. Thoughts? [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 23:46, 19 August 2013 (PDT)		A while back I introduced galleries on character pages. I mostly used them for ±10 years images or other things of that nature, but I also used them as holding pens for orphaned images (I stopped doing that). It occurs to me now that character galleries have a potential to get out of hand. It would be bad if every image of each character wound up in their gallery. (That's what categories are for. I think it is worth making a serious push to add character categories to images.) I think the character galleries are useful in that they can be used for images which don't easily "fit" on the page but show aspects of a character that are worth noting like appearances in the future or past, Gosho's colored art, full body images/concept art, extremely characteristic scenes or poses, etc. At the same time we should nail down what doesn't go on gallery pages to avoid a massive image overflow. Thoughts? [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 23:46, 19 August 2013 (PDT)
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		+	== Should "name in other languages" be from official materials only? ==
		+
		+	Okay so I noticed that some editors have inserted foreign translations of Amuro's real name, as shown [[Tooru_Amuro#Rei_Furuya\|here]]. It's obvious that other than the Japanese name, none of these translations are from official materials (because they couldn't have been released yet), and most likely based on fan scanlations. So should we use official information only, or allow fan translations to some degree? (This will also apply to [[Roller_Coaster_Murder_Case#In_oher_languages\|episodes' names in other language]].)
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		+	===Opinions===
		+	:'''Black Demon's opinion:''' I think we should stick to official information from legally authorized materials (i.e not fan-made in any way), even if the fan translations are technically accurate or the official volumes/episodes in question will never be released. The main problem with fan translations is that there may exist many variants for a certain character name or episode title (especially with the latter). With characters' names, this usually happens when people can only provide an approximate transliteration basing purely on the name's pronunciation, unless it is properly written down somewhere ("Jodie Saintemillion" before V.34 for example). Another reason why we should restrict them to official materials is because not every country has been licensed to release Conan. If we also open to fan-translations, then probably everyone in the whole world will add a "likely" transliteration for the names in their languages. I don't think we have enough space and there's no way to determine if those transliterations are even close to reasonable. Of course, the biggest problem when doing this is that we can't verify whether some certain name matches with the official one in a country not familiar to us, nor can we check if the country even released official Conan materials to begin with. <s>(Wait, is Conan even allowed in North Korea!??)</s> However, I don't see accepting fans' would solve this problem, if not make it worse. '''TL;DR: We should only use official translations because there will be variants, and people from every country will add some versions of their own. --- <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT';font-size:17px">[[User:Black Demon\|'''<font color="#000000">Black</font>''']] [[User talk:Black Demon\|<font size=4 color="#FF0000">★</font>]] [[User:Black Demon\|'''<font color="#000000">Demon</font>''']]</span> 15:52, 26 May 2014 (CEST)

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	:I think the number of screencaps should be at least '''5''', even if we're going to apply any limitation. I'm neutral about where we put the images, they can be either on the right side of the lyrics or placed under a gallery. However, if we choose the latter, I suggest that we create a separate section for them. The current format used in [[Q&A]] (having TV screencaps placed under a "CD info" header) doesn't make much sense in my opinion. --- [[User:Black Demon\|<font color="#000000">'''BLACK DEMON'''</font>]] \| [[User talk:Black Demon\|<font color="#FF0000">'''Reply'''</font>]] 19:30, 14 August 2013 (PDT)		:I think the number of screencaps should be at least '''5''', even if we're going to apply any limitation. I'm neutral about where we put the images, they can be either on the right side of the lyrics or placed under a gallery. However, if we choose the latter, I suggest that we create a separate section for them. The current format used in [[Q&A]] (having TV screencaps placed under a "CD info" header) doesn't make much sense in my opinion. --- [[User:Black Demon\|<font color="#000000">'''BLACK DEMON'''</font>]] \| [[User talk:Black Demon\|<font color="#FF0000">'''Reply'''</font>]] 19:30, 14 August 2013 (PDT)
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		+	== Need to codify what goes in character galleries before it gets out of hand ==
		+
		+	A while back I introduced galleries on character pages. I mostly used them for ±10 years images or other things of that nature, but I also used them as holding pens for orphaned images (I stopped doing that). It occurs to me now that character galleries have a potential to get out of hand. It would be bad if every image of each character wound up in their gallery. (That's what categories are for. I think it is worth making a serious push to add character categories to images.) I think the character galleries are useful in that they can be used for images which don't easily "fit" on the page but show aspects of a character that are worth noting like appearances in the future or past, Gosho's colored art, full body images/concept art, extremely characteristic scenes or poses, etc. At the same time we should nail down what doesn't go on gallery pages to avoid a massive image overflow. Thoughts? [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 23:46, 19 August 2013 (PDT)

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	:I '''strongly oppose''' the four screenshot limit on principle; rules that artificially limit the amount expression is an unhealthy philosophy for a wiki. While I think it is wise the pare down image collections to only the most useful ones, that final number of images is probably not always four. Flexibility is a good thing, especially since there are multiple versions of an op or ed someone might want to screencap. The only hard upper ceiling to detail is taking so many screenshots it causes significant reproduction copyvio issues or server problems.		:I '''strongly oppose''' the four screenshot limit on principle; rules that artificially limit the amount expression is an unhealthy philosophy for a wiki. While I think it is wise the pare down image collections to only the most useful ones, that final number of images is probably not always four. Flexibility is a good thing, especially since there are multiple versions of an op or ed someone might want to screencap. The only hard upper ceiling to detail is taking so many screenshots it causes significant reproduction copyvio issues or server problems.
	:Galleries are an efficient way of sorting many images, I don't think they are tacky or unprofessional looking. I also dislike large blocks of picture-less text. I'm fine using both inline images and a gallery the same time, even with duplications. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 19:04, 14 August 2013 (PDT)		:Galleries are an efficient way of sorting many images, I don't think they are tacky or unprofessional looking. I also dislike large blocks of picture-less text. I'm fine using both inline images and a gallery the same time, even with duplications. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin\|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 19:04, 14 August 2013 (PDT)
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		+	:I think the number of screencaps should be at least '''5''', even if we're going to apply any limitation. I'm neutral about where we put the images, they can be either on the right side of the lyrics or placed under a gallery. However, if we choose the latter, I suggest that we create a separate section for them. The current format used in [[Q&A]] (having TV screencaps placed under a "CD info" header) doesn't make much sense in my opinion. --- [[User:Black Demon\|<font color="#000000">'''BLACK DEMON'''</font>]] \| [[User talk:Black Demon\|<font color="#FF0000">'''Reply'''</font>]] 19:30, 14 August 2013 (PDT)