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Nakamura at 15:42, 4 July 2025

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 [[File:Conan reads the case online.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Conan reads about the case online.]]
-{{nihongo|'''Case from 17 years ago'''|十七年前の事例|Jū nana-nen mae no jirei}} is the case in which [[Kohji Haneda]] and [[Amanda Hughes]] were found dead in their hotel rooms. Kohji had managed to leave a mysterious dying message that may indicate that a member of the [[Black Organization]] was involved.
+The {{nihongo|'''Case from 17 years ago'''|十七年前の事例|Jū nana-nen mae no jirei}} is the case in which [[Kohji Haneda]] and [[Amanda Hughes]] were found dead in their hotel rooms. Kohji had managed to leave a mysterious dying message that may indicate that a member of the [[Black Organization]] was involved.
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 * [[List of Black Organization related characters]]
 * [[Hyoue Kuroda]]
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 == Dying message from Haneda ==
-After the murder there were tea cups, plates, and a hand mirror found smashed on the floor of Kohji's room. The mirror had writing on it that Haibara recognized as saying "PUT ON MASCARA", however it had been broken so that only "P T O N" remained. Kohji's palm was bruised from gripping a pair of scissors very tightly. The sink in Kohji's bathroom was even left running. It seems as if Kohji was attacked in the bathroom and turned the sink on, then ran water over the mirror to use the scissors to cut the mirror up, although it's unclear how he managed to do that during such circumstances. With the letters "P T O N" removed, the message remaining is "U MASCARA", which can be arranged to make "ASACA RUM". Though this is a way to decipher the dying message, it's unknown if this is the correct way to interpret the message, or that it was originally created by Kohji, or if the message was altered at all by someone. In fact, Kohji left the dying message even if he is suffering "bone-melting" pain.
+After the murder there were tea cups, plates, and a hand mirror found smashed on the floor of Kohji's room. The mirror had writing on it that Haibara recognized as saying "PUT ON MASCARA", however it had been broken so that only "P T O N" remained. Kohji's palm was bruised from gripping a pair of scissors very tightly. The sink in Kohji's bathroom was even left running. It seems as if Kohji was attacked in the bathroom and turned the sink on, then ran water over the mirror to use the scissors to cut the mirror up, although it's unclear how he managed to do that during such circumstances. With the letters "P T O N" removed, the message remaining is "U MASCARA", which can be arranged to make "ASACA RUM". Though this is a way to decipher the dying message, it's unknown if this is the correct way to interpret the message, or that it was originally created by Kohji, or if the message was altered at all by someone. It is found out later that Kohji had left the dying message when he was suffering through "bone-melting" pain.
-It had been theorized that the Bishop shogi piece in Rumi's possession may had also been part of the dying message and that she removed it from the scene due to seeing a slight bruise in the palm of the hand where Kohji had held the scissors. However, we later find out the Kohji had actually given the shogi piece to Rumi.
+Fans had further theorized that the Bishop shogi piece in Rumi's possession may had also been part of the dying message and that she removed it from the scene. This is theorized due to seeing a slight bruise in the palm of the hand where Kohji had held the scissors. However, we later find out that Kohji had actually given the shogi piece to Rumi.
 The Black Organization is aware of the dying message. Because of the "ASACA RUM" interpretation they seem to be chasing any references to ASACA that they find.

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 After the murder there were tea cups, plates, and a hand mirror found smashed on the floor of Kohji's room. The mirror had writing on it that Haibara recognized as saying "PUT ON MASCARA", however it had been broken so that only "P T O N" remained. Kohji's palm was bruised from gripping a pair of scissors very tightly. The sink in Kohji's bathroom was even left running. It seems as if Kohji was attacked in the bathroom and turned the sink on, then ran water over the mirror to use the scissors to cut the mirror up, although it's unclear how he managed to do that during such circumstances. With the letters "P T O N" removed, the message remaining is "U MASCARA", which can be arranged to make "ASACA RUM". Though this is a way to decipher the dying message, it's unknown if this is the correct way to interpret the message, or that it was originally created by Kohji, or if the message was altered at all by someone. In fact, Kohji left the dying message even if he is suffering "bone-melting" pain.
-It had been theorized that the Bishop shogi piece in Rumi's possession may had also been part of the dying message and that she removed it from the scene due to seeing a slight bruise in the palm of the hand where Kohji had held the scissors. However, we later find out the Kohji had actually given the shogi piece to Rumi
+It had been theorized that the Bishop shogi piece in Rumi's possession may had also been part of the dying message and that she removed it from the scene due to seeing a slight bruise in the palm of the hand where Kohji had held the scissors. However, we later find out the Kohji had actually given the shogi piece to Rumi.
 The Black Organization is aware of the dying message. Because of the "ASACA RUM" interpretation they seem to be chasing any references to ASACA that they find.

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 == Dying message from Haneda ==
-After the murder there were tea cups, plates, and a hand mirror found smashed on the floor of Kohji's room. The mirror had writing on it that Haibara recognized as saying "PUT ON MASCARA", however it had been broken so that only "P T O N" remained. Kohji's palm was bruised from gripping a pair of scissors very tightly. The sink in Kohji's bathroom was even left running. It seems as if Kohji was attacked in the bathroom and turned the sink on, then ran water over the mirror to use the scissors to cut the mirror up, although it's unclear how he managed to do that during such circumstances. With the letters "P T O N" removed, the message remaining is "U MASCARA", which can be arranged to make "ASACA RUM". Though this is a way to decipher the dying message, it's unknown if this is the correct way to interpret the message, or that it was originally created by Kohji, or if the message was altered at all by someone. In fact, Kohji left the dying message even if he is suffering "bone-melting" pain. It is theorized that the Bishop shogi piece in Rumi's possession may also be a part of the dying message, that she removed from the scene. There is a slight bruise in the palm of the hand that Kohji held the scissors, the piece may have originally been there: actually, Haneda gave it to her.
+After the murder there were tea cups, plates, and a hand mirror found smashed on the floor of Kohji's room. The mirror had writing on it that Haibara recognized as saying "PUT ON MASCARA", however it had been broken so that only "P T O N" remained. Kohji's palm was bruised from gripping a pair of scissors very tightly. The sink in Kohji's bathroom was even left running. It seems as if Kohji was attacked in the bathroom and turned the sink on, then ran water over the mirror to use the scissors to cut the mirror up, although it's unclear how he managed to do that during such circumstances. With the letters "P T O N" removed, the message remaining is "U MASCARA", which can be arranged to make "ASACA RUM". Though this is a way to decipher the dying message, it's unknown if this is the correct way to interpret the message, or that it was originally created by Kohji, or if the message was altered at all by someone. In fact, Kohji left the dying message even if he is suffering "bone-melting" pain.
 The Black Organization is aware of the dying message. Because of the "ASACA RUM" interpretation they seem to be chasing any references to ASACA that they find.

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 <spoiler>Kuroda after witnessing Amanda's dead body on the floor, notices a chess piece on the table with a wristwatch around it that has a kiss mark on the dial.
-Conan says that the key to the cipher is the kiss mark on the wristwatch's dial. He says this because he can see some lipstick on the circular groove around the dial, meaning that she had put the kiss mark once but had to wipe it out and do it again so it didn't turn out as she expected it to be. In other words, Amanda wanted to emphasize the shape of the lips or mouth on the dial.
+Conan says that the key to the cipher is the kiss mark on the wristwatch's dial. He says this because he can see some lipstick on the circular groove around the dial, meaning that she put the kiss mark once but had to wipe it out and do it again since it didn't turn out as she expected. In other words, Amanda wanted to emphasize the shape of the lips or mouth on the dial.
 The lipstick mark is cut off at both ends so Conan thinks that she wanted them to cut characters on both ends of 'MOUTH' or "LIPS'. As doing 'LIPS' gives you 'IP' as in the internet, Conan believes 'MOUTH' is a better fit as doing this gives you 'OUT' and if you combine this with "WATCH' from the wristwatch then you get 'WATCH OUT'.

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 Kuroda remembers that he passed by a man who was wearing a monocle that looked like a snake's eye.
-[[File:Amanda Hughes Dying Message.PNG|thumb|left|200px| They dying message Amanda Hughes left before she died]]
+[[File:Amanda Hughes Dying Message.PNG|thumb|left|200px|Amanda Hughes' dying message]]
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 Conan says that the key to the cipher is the kiss mark on the wristwatch's dial. He says this because he can see some lipstick on the circular groove around the dial, meaning that she had put the kiss mark once but had to wipe it out and do it again so it didn't turn out as she expected it to be. In other words, Amanda wanted to emphasize the shape of the lips or mouth on the dial.
-The lipstick mark is cut off at both ends so Conan thinks that she wanted them to cut characters on both ends of 'MOUTH'. Doing this gives you 'OUT' and if you combine this with "WATCH' from the wristwatch then you get "WATCH OUT".
+The lipstick mark is cut off at both ends so Conan thinks that she wanted them to cut characters on both ends of 'MOUTH' or "LIPS". As doing "LIPS" gives you "IP" as in the internet, Conan believes "MOUTH" is a better fit as doing this gives you 'OUT' and if you combine this with "WATCH' from the wristwatch then you get "WATCH OUT".
-Conan and Kuroda hypothesize that Amanda's dying message is to warn about the special ability of Rum's snake-like eye.
+Conan thinks that it could relate to someone's eyes as the knight's eyes were also smeared with lipstick.
 [[File:Amanda Hughes Dying Message.PNG|thumb|left|200px| They dying message Amanda Hughes left before she died]]