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Nakamura at 00:24, 21 September 2024

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	====Fumimaro Ayanokoji====		====Fumimaro Ayanokoji====
	'''[[Fumimaro Ayanokoji]]''' and his '''[[Chipmunk]]''' ~~was~~ first introduced in [[Crossroad in the Ancient Capital]] and received their first canon manga appearance in the [[Volume 94#Crimson School Trip Case\|Crimson School Trip Case]].		'''[[Fumimaro Ayanokoji]]''' and his '''[[Chipmunk]]''' were first introduced in [[Crossroad in the Ancient Capital]] and received their first canon manga appearance in the [[Volume 94#Crimson School Trip Case\|Crimson School Trip Case]]. The chipmunk's name is revealed to be Maro in the [[Momiji Ooka's Sweet Trap\|Detective Play Director Murder Case]].

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DevlinShad: /* 3rd Base 4th */

2021-03-01T08:04:20Z

3rd Base 4th

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	*[[Kohnan High School]] from this Manga is established as the past alma mater of [[Yoko Okino]]<ref name="vol_1">[[Volume 1]], File 9 - 9</ref>, [[Akiyoshi Fujie]]<ref name="vol_1" />, [[Ryusuke Higo]] and [[Teiya Asuka]].		*[[Kohnan High School]] from this Manga is established as the past alma mater of [[Yoko Okino]]<ref name="vol_1">[[Volume 1]], File 9 - 9</ref>, [[Akiyoshi Fujie]]<ref name="vol_1" />, [[Ryusuke Higo]] and [[Teiya Asuka]].
	*The protagonists visit a baseball match between the two teams from ''3rd Base 4th'' at Koshien, lead by [[Shigeo Nagashima]] and [[Kazuhisa Inao]], with cameos by their supporting characters Yutaka Enatsu and her father, as well as the old coach of Kohnan High School. The final match from the last chapters of their own series is referenced as "one year ago" in ''Detective Conan''<ref>[[Volume 43]], File 10 - 11</ref><ref>[[Volume 44]], File 1 - 3</ref>. The commentator calls Kohnan "last year's champions", while Ohgane is "having a chance of winning consecutive Spring-Summer championship", implying that		*The protagonists visit a baseball match between the two teams from ''3rd Base 4th'' at Koshien, lead by [[Shigeo Nagashima]] and [[Kazuhisa Inao]], with cameos by their supporting characters Yutaka Enatsu and her father, as well as the old coach of Kohnan High School. The final match from the last chapters of their own series is referenced as "one year ago" in ''Detective Conan''<ref>[[Volume 43]], File 10 - 11</ref><ref>[[Volume 44]], File 1 - 3</ref>. The commentator calls Kohnan "last year's champions", while Ohgane is "having a chance of winning consecutive Spring-Summer championship", implying that Kohnan won the previous Summer Koshien, while Ohgane got their revenge in the following Spring Koshien off-screen, and at the same time, making the result in ''3rd Base 4th'' canon.
	Kohnan won the previous Summer Koshien, while Ohgane got their revenge in the following Spring Koshien off-screen, and at the same time, making the result in ''3rd Base 4th'' canon.

	===Magic Kaito===		===Magic Kaito===

DevlinShad: Took a quick look at the English version and saw that the translation is wrong. Kohnan is 去年の覇者, while Ohgane, if they win, will be 春夏連覇.

2021-03-01T07:59:24Z

Took a quick look at the English version and saw that the translation is wrong. Kohnan is 去年の覇者, while Ohgane, if they win, will be 春夏連覇.

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	*[[Kohnan High School]] from this Manga is established as the past alma mater of [[Yoko Okino]]<ref name="vol_1">[[Volume 1]], File 9 - 9</ref>, [[Akiyoshi Fujie]]<ref name="vol_1" />, [[Ryusuke Higo]] and [[Teiya Asuka]].		*[[Kohnan High School]] from this Manga is established as the past alma mater of [[Yoko Okino]]<ref name="vol_1">[[Volume 1]], File 9 - 9</ref>, [[Akiyoshi Fujie]]<ref name="vol_1" />, [[Ryusuke Higo]] and [[Teiya Asuka]].
	*The protagonists visit a baseball match between the two teams from ''3rd Base 4th'' at Koshien, lead by [[Shigeo Nagashima]] and [[Kazuhisa Inao]], with cameos by their supporting characters Yutaka Enatsu and her father, as well as the old coach of Kohnan High School. The final match from the last chapters of their own series is referenced as "one year ago" in ''Detective Conan''~~, making it partly canon, too~~<ref>[[Volume 43]], File 10 - 11</ref><ref>[[Volume 44]], File 1 - 3</ref>.		*The protagonists visit a baseball match between the two teams from ''3rd Base 4th'' at Koshien, lead by [[Shigeo Nagashima]] and [[Kazuhisa Inao]], with cameos by their supporting characters Yutaka Enatsu and her father, as well as the old coach of Kohnan High School. The final match from the last chapters of their own series is referenced as "one year ago" in ''Detective Conan''<ref>[[Volume 43]], File 10 - 11</ref><ref>[[Volume 44]], File 1 - 3</ref>. The commentator calls Kohnan "last year's champions", while Ohgane is "having a chance of winning consecutive Spring-Summer championship", implying that
			Kohnan won the previous Summer Koshien, while Ohgane got their revenge in the following Spring Koshien off-screen, and at the same time, making the result in ''3rd Base 4th'' canon.

	===Magic Kaito===		===Magic Kaito===

DevlinShad: This whole part is wrong. Kohnan won the previous Summer Koshien, while Ogane got their revenge in the following Spring Koshien. The event in Detective Conan is their third time facing each other.

2021-03-01T07:45:10Z

This whole part is wrong. Kohnan won the previous Summer Koshien, while Ogane got their revenge in the following Spring Koshien. The event in Detective Conan is their third time facing each other.

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	*[[Kohnan High School]] from this Manga is established as the past alma mater of [[Yoko Okino]]<ref name="vol_1">[[Volume 1]], File 9 - 9</ref>, [[Akiyoshi Fujie]]<ref name="vol_1" />, [[Ryusuke Higo]] and [[Teiya Asuka]].		*[[Kohnan High School]] from this Manga is established as the past alma mater of [[Yoko Okino]]<ref name="vol_1">[[Volume 1]], File 9 - 9</ref>, [[Akiyoshi Fujie]]<ref name="vol_1" />, [[Ryusuke Higo]] and [[Teiya Asuka]].
	*The protagonists visit a baseball match between the two teams from ''3rd Base 4th'' at Koshien, lead by [[Shigeo Nagashima]] and [[Kazuhisa Inao]], with cameos by their supporting characters Yutaka Enatsu and her father, as well as the old coach of Kohnan High School. The final match from the last chapters of their own series is referenced as "one year ago" in ''Detective Conan'', making it partly canon, too<ref>[[Volume 43]], File 10 - 11</ref><ref>[[Volume 44]], File 1 - 3</ref>, but [[Wikipedia:Retroactive continuity\|retconned]] in the way that Kohnan High lost it instead of winning like in their own series, wanting a rematch with [[Ohgane High School]]. This is probably due to the fact that it was played and won with magical sports equipment, rendering it non-canon to the world of ''Detective Conan'', effectively placing ''3rd Base 4th'' in a [[Wikipedia:Parallel universes in fiction\|parallel world]], with the rematch based on a "what if" scenario.		*The protagonists visit a baseball match between the two teams from ''3rd Base 4th'' at Koshien, lead by [[Shigeo Nagashima]] and [[Kazuhisa Inao]], with cameos by their supporting characters Yutaka Enatsu and her father, as well as the old coach of Kohnan High School. The final match from the last chapters of their own series is referenced as "one year ago" in ''Detective Conan'', making it partly canon, too<ref>[[Volume 43]], File 10 - 11</ref><ref>[[Volume 44]], File 1 - 3</ref>.

	===Magic Kaito===		===Magic Kaito===

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2020-12-27T07:58:08Z

Fumimaro Ayanokoji

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	====Fumimaro Ayanokoji====		====Fumimaro Ayanokoji====
	'''[[Fumimaro Ayanokoji]]''' and his '''[[Chipmunk]]''' was first introduced in [[Crossroad in the Ancient Capital]] and received ~~his~~ first canon manga appearance in the [[Volume 94#Crimson School Trip Case\|Crimson School Trip Case]].		'''[[Fumimaro Ayanokoji]]''' and his '''[[Chipmunk]]''' was first introduced in [[Crossroad in the Ancient Capital]] and received their first canon manga appearance in the [[Volume 94#Crimson School Trip Case\|Crimson School Trip Case]].

	====Special Circumstances====		====Special Circumstances====

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2020-12-27T07:57:29Z

Fumimaro Ayanokoji

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	====Fumimaro Ayanokoji====		====Fumimaro Ayanokoji====
	'''[[Fumimaro Ayanokoji]]''' and his '''[[Chipmunk]]''' was first introduced in [[Crossroad in the Ancient Capital]] and received his first canon manga appearance in the [[Volume 94#Crimson School Trip Case\|Crimson School Trip Case]]		'''[[Fumimaro Ayanokoji]]''' and his '''[[Chipmunk]]''' was first introduced in [[Crossroad in the Ancient Capital]] and received his first canon manga appearance in the [[Volume 94#Crimson School Trip Case\|Crimson School Trip Case]].

	====Special Circumstances====		====Special Circumstances====

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2020-12-27T07:56:25Z

Characters

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	====Fumimaro Ayanokoji====		====Fumimaro Ayanokoji====
			'''[[Fumimaro Ayanokoji]]''' and his '''[[Chipmunk]]''' was first introduced in [[Crossroad in the Ancient Capital]] and received his first canon manga appearance in the [[Volume 94#Crimson School Trip Case\|Crimson School Trip Case]]

	====Special Circumstances====		====Special Circumstances====

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2020-12-27T07:48:40Z

Characters

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	====Yuya Kazami====		====Yuya Kazami====
	'''[[Yuya Kazami]]''' was first introduced as Amuro's PSB subordinate in [[The Darkest Nightmare\|Movie 20: The Darkest Nightmare]] and received his first canon manga appearance in [[Volume 94\|File 998: Haibara's Lost Phone Strap Case]].		'''[[Yuya Kazami]]''' was first introduced as Amuro's PSB subordinate in [[The Darkest Nightmare\|Movie 20: The Darkest Nightmare]] and received his first canon manga appearance in [[Volume 94\|File 998: Haibara's Lost Phone Strap Case]].

			====Fumimaro Ayanokoji====

	====Special Circumstances====		====Special Circumstances====

192.88.134.10 at 11:58, 16 November 2020

2020-11-16T11:58:47Z

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	Detective Conan canon is defined as ''the information, storylines, settings, and characters found in the manga and information given by [[Aoyama Gosho]] in interviews''. There are two main practical reasons for this:		Detective Conan canon is defined as ''the information, storylines, settings, and characters found in the manga and information given by [[Aoyama Gosho]] in interviews''. There are two main practical reasons for this:

	# The first is that the manga is self contained. Gosho has designed the manga story so that all mysteries in the manga can be solved using only information from the manga; knowledge of anime-only episodes, movies, etc. is not required to arrive at the correct conclusion. For instance, only characters who appear in the manga are potential suspects for the [[Boss of the Black Organization]]. It is extremely rare for useful clues for the major mysteries to show up in anime-only episodes or movies, and even when they do, those clues usually appear only after many decisive hints have already been revealed in the manga.<ref>Note: More recent movies since [[Movie 18]] have connected with ongoing storylines. In ~~Movie~~ [[18]], Okiya was shown speaking in Akai's voice for a single line. While decisive, this clue was very late relative the the number of major hints given in the manga and anime-adaptations.</ref>		# The first is that the manga is self contained. Gosho has designed the manga story so that all mysteries in the manga can be solved using only information from the manga; knowledge of anime-only episodes, movies, etc. is not required to arrive at the correct conclusion. For instance, only characters who appear in the manga are potential suspects for the [[Boss of the Black Organization]]. It is extremely rare for useful clues for the major mysteries to show up in anime-only episodes or movies, and even when they do, those clues usually appear only after many decisive hints have already been revealed in the manga.<ref>Note: More recent movies since [[Movie 18]] have connected with ongoing storylines. In [[Movie 18]], Okiya was shown speaking in Akai's voice for a single line. While decisive, this clue was very late relative the the number of major hints given in the manga and anime-adaptations.</ref>
	# The second reason is that only the writer of the manga, Aoyama Gosho, knows the true solutions to all the mysteries. Thus, only the information and stories written by Gosho can be reliably expected not to contradict the story at a later point. For whatever reason, Gosho has only shared the solutions to the major mysteries with the editors who manage him and a few loved ones. That means other authors making adaptations are forced to make assumptions. The consequence of this incomplete information sharing is that mistakes happen in the adaptations. [[List of differences between the manga and anime\|Alterations or omissions in the anime]] have introduced serious [[Wikipedia:Plot hole\|plotholes]] that create logical inconsistencies or remove clues so that cases are harder or impossible to solve. Even absent outright contradictions, non-canon episodes and movies can also create implications that lead to illogical conclusions.<ref>*For instance, in [[Movie 13]], the Black Organization attacked the Tokyo Tower with a military helicopter. This leads to strange questions about how they obtained such powerful military equipment at a moment's notice, and how they could fly it into the heart of Tokyo without attracting the attention of Japan's self-defense airforce or the US military stationed in Japan. In addition it creates a contradiction since the Organization is supposed to value secrecy, yet such a brazen and stunning attack would surely attract the entire world's attention and extremely potent law enforcement attention from many countries.<br>The problem only becomes worse in [[Movie 20]] where the Black Organization manages to scramble a Bell Boeing V-22 Osprey. At the time of the movie's release, only the US military operated such craft. The closest base to Tokyo where they would be housed is about 400 miles away in Iwakuni in Yamaguchi Prefecture. For the Black Organization to gain control of a V-22 (there are less than 300 in existence), they would need intelligence and operations skills and resources that surpass those of world powers like China or Russia.</ref><ref>Initially, the first four movies and manga disagreed about Kogoro's skill as a police officer and detective. The movies implied that Kogoro was lazy and foolish, but he had occasional flashes of brilliance and useful skills as an officer, like masterful marksmanship. In contrast, the manga implied he was thoroughly terrible as an officer. Eventually, Gosho adopted the idea that Kogoro could muster up some ability in particular situations.</ref>		# The second reason is that only the writer of the manga, Aoyama Gosho, knows the true solutions to all the mysteries. Thus, only the information and stories written by Gosho can be reliably expected not to contradict the story at a later point. For whatever reason, Gosho has only shared the solutions to the major mysteries with the editors who manage him and a few loved ones. That means other authors making adaptations are forced to make assumptions. The consequence of this incomplete information sharing is that mistakes happen in the adaptations. [[List of differences between the manga and anime\|Alterations or omissions in the anime]] have introduced serious [[Wikipedia:Plot hole\|plotholes]] that create logical inconsistencies or remove clues so that cases are harder or impossible to solve. Even absent outright contradictions, non-canon episodes and movies can also create implications that lead to illogical conclusions.<ref>*For instance, in [[Movie 13]], the Black Organization attacked the Tokyo Tower with a military helicopter. This leads to strange questions about how they obtained such powerful military equipment at a moment's notice, and how they could fly it into the heart of Tokyo without attracting the attention of Japan's self-defense airforce or the US military stationed in Japan. In addition it creates a contradiction since the Organization is supposed to value secrecy, yet such a brazen and stunning attack would surely attract the entire world's attention and extremely potent law enforcement attention from many countries.<br>The problem only becomes worse in [[Movie 20]] where the Black Organization manages to scramble a Bell Boeing V-22 Osprey. At the time of the movie's release, only the US military operated such craft. The closest base to Tokyo where they would be housed is about 400 miles away in Iwakuni in Yamaguchi Prefecture. For the Black Organization to gain control of a V-22 (there are less than 300 in existence), they would need intelligence and operations skills and resources that surpass those of world powers like China or Russia.</ref><ref>Initially, the first four movies and manga disagreed about Kogoro's skill as a police officer and detective. The movies implied that Kogoro was lazy and foolish, but he had occasional flashes of brilliance and useful skills as an officer, like masterful marksmanship. In contrast, the manga implied he was thoroughly terrible as an officer. Eventually, Gosho adopted the idea that Kogoro could muster up some ability in particular situations.</ref>

Namako: /* 3rd Base 4th */

2020-08-28T08:41:22Z

3rd Base 4th

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	*[[Kohnan High School]] from this Manga is established as the past alma mater of [[Yoko Okino]]<ref name="vol_1">[[Volume 1]], File 9 - 9</ref>, [[Akiyoshi Fujie]]<ref name="vol_1" />, [[Ryusuke Higo]] and [[Teiya Asuka]].		*[[Kohnan High School]] from this Manga is established as the past alma mater of [[Yoko Okino]]<ref name="vol_1">[[Volume 1]], File 9 - 9</ref>, [[Akiyoshi Fujie]]<ref name="vol_1" />, [[Ryusuke Higo]] and [[Teiya Asuka]].
	*The protagonists visit a baseball match between the two teams from ''3rd Base 4th'' at Koshien, lead by [[Shigeo Nagashima]] and [[Kazuhisa Inao]], with cameos by their supporting characters Yutaka Enatsu and her father, as well as the old coach of Kohnan High School. The final match from the last chapters of their own series is referenced as "one year ago" in ''Detective Conan'', making it canon, too.<ref>[[Volume 43]], File 10 - 11</ref><ref>[[Volume 44]], File 1 - 3</ref>		*The protagonists visit a baseball match between the two teams from ''3rd Base 4th'' at Koshien, lead by [[Shigeo Nagashima]] and [[Kazuhisa Inao]], with cameos by their supporting characters Yutaka Enatsu and her father, as well as the old coach of Kohnan High School. The final match from the last chapters of their own series is referenced as "one year ago" in ''Detective Conan'', making it partly canon, too<ref>[[Volume 43]], File 10 - 11</ref><ref>[[Volume 44]], File 1 - 3</ref>, but [[Wikipedia:Retroactive continuity\|retconned]] in the way that Kohnan High lost it instead of winning like in their own series, wanting a rematch with [[Ohgane High School]]. This is probably due to the fact that it was played and won with magical sports equipment, rendering it non-canon to the world of ''Detective Conan'', effectively placing ''3rd Base 4th'' in a [[Wikipedia:Parallel universes in fiction\|parallel world]], with the rematch based on a "what if" scenario.

	===Magic Kaito===		===Magic Kaito===