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== Inspector Worthington ==

Would Inspector Worthington be notable enough for inclusion? [[User:CarpetCrawler|'''''Carpet''''''''''Crawler''''']][[User_talk:CarpetCrawler|'''''message me''''']] 03:21, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:Any character, no matter how minor they are, should be included imo. The goal would be to have the most complete resource about the world of Detective Conan. Even if it's a line or two, that couldn't hurt. :) Also, I think for now, only main (or recurring) characters should be displayed on the [[Characters]] page. But on the detailed pages, like [[Black Organization]] or [[Other Characters]], minor characters could be mentioned there.--[[User:Maurice|Maurice]] 04:52, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::OK, sounds good. I hope to see this Wiki get more popular! Let's see how everything checks out. :D [[User:CarpetCrawler|'''''Carpet''''''''''Crawler''''']][[User_talk:CarpetCrawler|'''''message me''''']] 05:05, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Here's the thing... I'm pretty sure the name "Inspector Worthington" is the name they gave Yokomizo Sango in the English dub. I haven't looked into how other Americanized names are being handled, but he should be dealt with similarly. (edit) never mind, I see that you already did that :P (/edit)--[[User:Southpaw|Southpaw]] 13:36, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

== Tokyo Police ==

I decided to go ahead and divide the "Law Enforcement" section into three sub-sections. One for the Metropolitan police, another for the Osaka police, and another for all of the rest. I figured that the one section was a little too big all by itself. Also, it to me, makes everything look a little bit more organized. If anyone disagrees, feel free to revert. ;) [[User:CarpetCrawler|'''''Carpet''''''''''Crawler''''']][[User_talk:CarpetCrawler|'''''message me''''']] 22:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:It's alright. Originally, I planned to only show the main/important characters on the Characters page then show all of them in their respective sections (e.g. [[Law Enforcement]]) but I think it's still ok to show them all right away: it would be a bit like the [[Anime]] page as it is now where all the episodes are shown right away; can be very handy. Not to mention there aren't nearly as many recurring characters as episodes. :) --[[User:Maurice|Maurice]] 12:00, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

== Character images to be updated ==

This is part of an internal [[Detective_Conan_Wiki:Projects#Specific_tasks|project task]] scheduled to be completed on March 1st, 2010.

=== Required ===

* Mitsuhiko Tsuburaya (100px and 60px) '''DONE'''
* Genta Kojima (100px and 60px) '''DONE'''
* Heiji Hattori (100px and 60px) '''DONE'''
* Kazuha Toyama (100px and 60px) '''DONE'''
* Juzo Megure (100px and 60px) '''DONE'''
* Ninzaburo Shiratori (100px and 60px) '''DONE'''
* Sango Yokomizo (60px) '''DONE'''
* Jodie Starling - not real good quality - (100px and 60px) '''DONE'''
* Gin (100px and 60px)
* Vodka (100px)
* Ai Haibara - was never a big fan of that image - (100px and 60px)
* Sumiko Kobayashi - I hate this one - (100px and 60px)
* Yusaku Kudo (60px and 100px)
* Heizo Hattori (60px and 100px)
* Chianti (60px)

=== Optional ===

* Miwako Sato (100px and 60px). ''Reason'': Using some non-anime stock image '''DONE'''
* Conan Edogawa (100px and 60px). ''Reason'': It's alright but maybe kinda looks a little colorless?

=== Leave it to me ===
LEAVE IT TO ME!! ^^ I'll get to work on replacing all of those. [[User:CarpetCrawler|'''''Carpet''''''''''Crawler''''']][[User_talk:CarpetCrawler|'''''message me''''']] 02:12, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

== Character image checklist ==

I will bold the character's who have new pictures.

===Protagonists===
* '''Shinichi Kudo'''
* '''Conan Edogawa'''
* '''Ran Mouri'''
* '''Kogoro Mouri'''

===Detective Boys===
* '''Ayumi Yoshida'''
* '''Mitsuhiko Tsuburaya'''
* '''Genta Kojima'''
* '''Ai Haibara'''
* '''Sumiko Kobayashi'''

===Family and Friends===
* '''Yusaku Kudo'''
* '''Yukiko Kudo'''
* '''Eri Kisaki'''
* '''Hiroshi Agasa'''
* '''Sonoko Suzuki'''
* '''Heiji Hattori'''
* '''Kazuha Toyama'''
* '''Eisuke Hondou'''
* '''Subaru Okiya'''
* '''Genji Kojima'''

===Law Enforcement===

====Tokyo Metropolitan Police District====
* '''Juzo Megure'''
* '''Miwako Sato'''
* '''Wataru Takagi'''
* '''Ninzaburo Shiratori'''
* '''Yumi Miyamoto'''
* '''Isshin Chiba'''
* '''Ginzo Nakamori'''
* '''Officer Tome'''
* '''Kiyonaga Matsumoto'''
* '''Jinpei Matsuda'''
* '''Inspector Yuminaga'''

====Osaka Police District====
* '''Goro Otaki'''
* '''Detective Toyama'''
* '''Heizo Hattori'''

====Other police districts====
* '''Sango Yokomizo'''
* '''Misao Yamamura'''
* '''Jugo Yokomizo'''
* '''Kansuke Yamato'''
* '''Yui Uehara'''

===Black Organization===
* '''Gin'''
* '''Vodka'''
* '''Sharon Vineyard'''
* '''Chianti'''
* '''Korn'''
* '''Hidemi Hondou'''
* '''Tequila'''

===F.B.I.===
* '''Jodie Starling'''
* '''James Black'''
* '''Shuichi Akai'''

===Others===
* '''Kaitou Kid'''
* '''Akemi Miyano'''
* '''Aoko Nakamori'''
* '''Makoto Kyogoku'''
* '''Sagura Hakuba'''
* '''Tomoaki Araide'''
* '''Yoko Okino'''
* '''Shizuka Hattori'''
* '''Azusa Enomoto'''
* '''Jirokichi Suzuki'''
* '''Misae Yamamura'''
* '''Kichiro Numabuchi'''

All others are certainly welcome to add other character to this list as character pages are created, as well as help me out with the images. Remember, we are trying to replace the old images taken from other websites, with images of our own. :) [[User:CarpetCrawler|'''''Carpet''''''''''Crawler''''']][[User_talk:CarpetCrawler|'''''message me''''']] 03:32, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== Character pages checklist ==

This is a checklist of character pages that have yet to be created.

* Seiji Asai - Culprit in Moonlight Piano Sonata Case, other than Kaitou Kid and the Black Organization he is the only culprit to ever escape Shinichi (although via suicide).
* Kamen Yaiba - TV superhero enjoyed by the Detective Boys (and Chiba).
* Gomera - Movie monster enjoyed by the Detective Boys.
* Night Baron - The protagonist of Yusaku Kudo's novels.
* Hideo Akagi & Naoki Uemura - Soccer players from Tokyo Spirits, involved in a case early in the series.
* Ryusuke Higo - Soccer player from Big Osaka and Hideo Akagi's rival. Ai follows his career closely.
* Samizu Kichiemon - Edo Period mechanic frequently mentioned and referenced throughout the series.
* Shintaro Chaki - Superintendent of Tokyo Metropolitan Police Division 2.
* Inspector Momose - Inspector from the Tokyo Police Third Division (Robbery). [[Festival Dolls Dyed in the Setting Sun]]
* Inspector Tsuyama from the Okayama District. Present during the case that occurred in Kurashiki in episode 377-378: [[Momotarou Mystery Solving Tour]]
* Inspector Chou (full name: Takagi Chousuke) - Inspector Megure's senior. Led the investigation in episode 390-391: [[Metropolitan Police Detective Love Story 6]]

== Inspector Odagiri Toshiro ==

I remember that Inspector Odagiri Toshiro did appear in Movie 4, and he'll show up Movie 14 too. Should we add him?
[[User:LittleDragonfly|LittleDragonfly]] 07:46, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
:Sure, why not? As Maurice stated above, every '''notable''' character, no matter how much notability there is, should be covered. And he'd be notable. ^^ A regular page may not even be needed... I plan to do pages for each section (Like the "Tokyo Police" section) and have all of the characters listed there as well, along with characters that are notable but not notable enough to really get their own page. [[User:CarpetCrawler|'''''Carpet''''''''''Crawler''''']][[User_talk:CarpetCrawler|'''''message me''''']] 09:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

== The "u" in names ==

I don't know much about these things, but I still wonder if we should leave names without the "u" or not. It's like this: Kudo(u), Ju(u)zo(u), Yu(u)saku are written without the "u" but Mouri, Hondou and Kaitou have it. Duh, my head is spinning! But then again, I'm just asking ^^.
[[User:LittleDragonfly|LittleDragonfly]] 11:50, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

: I prefer the spellings with the "u" myself. But I was sticking with what the DC Wiki had previously established. (If it was up to me, it'd be Shin'ichi Kudou) Based on the Japanese Wiki page, the characters' names SHOULD have the "u" syllable in them. [http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%90%8D%E6%8E%A2%E5%81%B5%E3%82%B3%E3%83%8A%E3%83%B3%E3%81%AE%E7%99%BB%E5%A0%B4%E4%BA%BA%E7%89%A9] So to clarify based on the Japanese Wiki page, these would be the new romanizations of the characters' names in question:

* Shinichi Kudou
* Yuusaku Kudou
* Yukiko Kudou
* Ran Mouri
* Kogorou Mouri
* Eisuke Hondou
* Hidemi Hondou
* Ethan Hondou
* Juuzou Megure
* Miwako Satou
* Ninzaburou Shiratori
* Shintarou Chaki
* Ginzou Nakamori
* Heizou Hattori
* Gorou Ootaki
* Juugo Yokomizo
* Kiichirou Numabuchi
* Reiko Kujou
* Makoto Kyougoku
* Shirou Suzuki
* Kaitou Kid <---this romanization is particularly important as without the "u" the name "Kaito" refers to "Kaito Kuroba" instead
* Touichi Kuroba
* Kounosuke Jii

Also, not related to a missing "u" but a missing "o":

* Kazuha Tooyama

: The problem with these names is that the extra syllables ARE required when the names are pronounced, but not necessarily so for writing them down. I think we could stick these different romanizations next the characters' names in Japanese on their individual pages. --[[User talk:skyechan|skyechan]]

::The thing is that most of the names used here in this wiki are spelled the same way they are in anime subs from most of the major subbing groups. This not only makes it easier for everyone to remain on the same page, but it's also a question of standardization (if we start using different spellings here and there, the content in general would be less approachable from a reader's perspective). However, I do like skyechan's idea of mentioning the different romanizations on the characters' individual pages. Maybe we could add a field to the InfoBox that says something like: "Romanized Name"? (we already have "Japanese Name" and "English Name"). As for the usual name, it's already in the header of the InfoBox as it should be. --[[User:Maurice|Maurice]] 22:44, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm in everyone's (except T-Pain's) boat with this. The names are what they really are, but as Maurice said, most places don't refer to them as those names, mostly for reader's perspective and familiarity already. And as skyechan said, the pronunciations don't require the extra words when written down. For example, note that there are like, three ways to possibly write Numabuchi's name. I think that's the problem with the Japanese language in general, it's quite lax, though in some ways this is a good thing, and it really helps.

:::Basically, blame the fansubbers for this problem, as they are heavily inconsistent with the names. But to be fair, back when they were working on this stuff, and the same goes for EVERY DC-related website out there, no one probably knew 100% what the names were to be, and their translations were possibly going to be inconsistent.

:::My opinion? I don't know, I would love to go with the new names, since they're the correct names and all, but one thing that's going to be really painstakingly annoying is going back to every page and fixing the names on every page, including the already made template pages. I think this is a situation where simply creating a re-direct to "Miwako Satou" and leaving every page at "Miwako Sato" wouldn't suffice, and would probably confuse the reader when they click and see it says, for example "Juuzou" instead of "Juzo". But, honestly, who wants to spend the time going to EVERY page and fixing that, not to mention fixing the templates, images, and other things of the sort? That's why Wikipedia has bots, though. Also, as skyechan mentioned above, they're not necessary when written down, only when spoken. But this could be argued against by saying that, say a Japanese wiki using the word "fawnix" instead of "phonics". So basically, I'm torn on what I think here. [[User:CarpetCrawler|'''''Carpet''''''''''Crawler''''']][[User_talk:CarpetCrawler|'''''message me''''']] 10:42, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

: Still, as for characters appeared in the drama series, based on what rule do we write their romanized names? On the 'Drama' page, some of them have the 'u', some doesn't. That's just confusing. If needed, I will provide 'u' for any name that lacks :lol: [[User:LittleDragonfly|LittleDragonfly]] 11:50, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

== Unnecessary characters in the list ==
Now I realize Maurice has previously stated we should provide info on notable minor characters, but isn't our list a little too excessive? Shouldn't a majority of the people on the list now simply be on the minor recurring characters list or something? Could we just make a page for Notable case characters?

Here's who I think needs to be moved or removed entirely:
*Asami Tsuburaya - Minor recurring character
*Genji Kojima - Notable case character
*Inspector Momose - Minor recurring character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
*Chosuke Takagi - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
*Detective Kobayashi - Minor recurring character (I think?); Not notable enough to need a profile page
*Fumimaro Ayanokoji - Minor recurring character
*Misae Yamamura - Notable case character
*Reiko Kujo - Minor recurring character
*Natsuki Koshimizu - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
*Junya Tokitsu - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
*Samizu Kichiemon - Minor recurring character
*Fusae Campbell - Notable case character
*Kazumi Tsukamoto - Minor recurring character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
*Kyosuke Haga - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
*Maria Higashio - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
*Hikaru Yasumoto - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
*Ryujiro Uematsu - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
*Minerva Glass - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
*Apollo Glass - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page

My solution to our extensive Character list is to simply create a page similar to the "Minor recurring characters" page for "Notable case characters". Information currently on those with profile pages can be moved to this new page and the old profile pages be deleted. I understand we want to provide as much information as possible, but seriously, some of these characters I don't see why they need to be listed on the main characters page. --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 07:02, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
: Or, we could just have a "List of Minor Characters" (or "List of Supporting Characters," whatever you want to call them) and then group them into sections, i.e. Recurring in the Manga, Recurring in the Anime and Notable Case. And then, we could also format it like the Characters page for consistency. And yeah, if their profile pages don't have that much info, I agree that we should just delete them to avoid clutter.--[[User:Lashedcheek|lashedcheek]] 15:12, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

::We should keep the characters profile that links to keyhole number of volume book. That's still fine. --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 15:19, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

:::The problem with keeping profiles for characters with keyholes is that often, they're only important for a single case that occurred in that volume. An entire page is simply overkill, when a Notable Case Characters page could consolidate that information and the minor recurring characters can be on the Minor Recurring Characters page. The keyhole can link to those pages. Also, if a character is big or recurring enough to be on the Characters page and have a profile, like Hideo or Sumiko, they probably don't need a mention on the Minor Recurring Characters page. I also think that Midori Megure is a notable case character and Midori Kuriyama is a minor recurring character who don't need profile pages, while the speculation over Fusae Campbell might make it worth leaving her page as-is.--[[User:Ocianne|Ocianne]] 17:38, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

::::I think the list is good, but I'm for keeping the profile pages of some of the characters with the criteria that Ocianne suggested. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''Chekhov MacGuffin''']] [[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''talk''']] 17:46, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::We should make another group list then in characters. Their profile information with keyhole links stays. --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 17:56, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
::::::As Ocianne stated, a whole profile page for a character who is in a keyhole but only appears for one case is ridiculous. I'm following Ocianne and Chek's suggestions.--[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 18:57, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::::But that can't be!!!!!!
:::::::::Woah woah woah. While I can't say I disagree with everything Skyechan said, I think this decision was made rather quickly. Such a big change should have required more than 24 hours of discussion. As it seems that I'm in the minority, I'll keep my mouth shut, but we really should give the community more time to put in their opinions in the future. --[[User:Jigsaw|Jigsaw]] 14:36, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::My apologies, I'll keep this in mind in the future. --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 15:29, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

== Sato's ==
All the characters have got a little image with white balckground, but Sato no. Why?
--[[Special:Contributions/92.59.220.88|92.59.220.88]] 15:41, 26 November 2011 (UTC)Yt
:Which picture are you referring to? Both of Sato's images look like they have the white background to me. --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 16:03, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Yes, in this page yes, but, for instance, in Volumen 75 page, her photo hasn't got white blackground.
:Sato does have a white background in her 100x100 image. Perhaps you need to refresh the page? Naeko Miike and Yaiba are the only ones listed on that page that do not have white backgrounds yet. --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 16:32, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

== Keyhole characters - Profile pages or none - Vote ==
Apologies for my haste the other day. As per suggestion we'll hold a vote for this topic until we receive '''10 votes total'''.

The voting is for whether all characters represented in manga volume keyholes, regardless of whether they're important for more than one case or not, should have profile pages. Place your name under which category you're voting for and share your reasoning in your decision to help explain your stance on the matter. '''For the sake of fairness only registered users votes are counted. NO ANONYMOUS IPs.''' (Especially given the trouble anon IPs have caused in the past...) --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 16:26, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

'''The following keyhole characters do not have profile pages as of yesterday''':
* Genta Kojima - All information was moved to [[List of notable case characters]]
* Midori Megure - All information was moved to [[List of notable case characters]]
* Misae Yamamura - All information was moved to [[List of notable case characters]]
* Jinpei Matsuda - All information was moved to [[List of notable case characters]]
* Kyosuke Haga - All information was moved to [[List of notable case characters]]
* Natsuki Koshimizu - All information was moved to [[List of notable case characters]]
* Minerva Glass - All information was moved to [[List of notable case characters]]
* Apollo Glass - All information was moved to [[List of notable case characters]]
* Maria Higashio - All information was moved to [[List of notable case characters]]
* Ayako Suzuki - All information was moved to [[List of minor recurring characters]]
* Midori Kuriyama - All information was moved to [[List of minor recurring characters]]
* Kazumi Tsukamoto - All information was moved to [[List of minor recurring characters]]

=== Votes for "The characters should have profiles" ===
* S261157 - Reasoning: Characters who has keyhole volume links and characters who appear at least 2 times have their profiles is not such a bad idea. No matter if it's important character, still kept their own profile. The manual of style has the rule of creating character profiles to the Tokyo Poilce District and Black Organization. If a character has keyhole volume link, the characters profile info box should be labeled "keyhole" and links to what number of the Manga volume book. I assure you that it's the most greatest idea ever!
* Jigsaw - Reasoning: My thought process is rather complicated; I '''hesitantly''' vote to keep the profiles. Not all of the deleted character pages had keyholes mind you, so I'm not exactly sure why this criteria is what the vote is over. I've counted at least 15 character pages that were deleted despite never having had a keyhole; many of them are anime or Special Conan exclusive. There are certainly some characters who will NEVER have enough information to warrant an article, but that being said, I'm rather confused now as to where the criteria stands. What deems a character 'important' enough? Inspector Yuminaga, Shintaro Chaki, Detective Toyama, Koumei, Ethan Hondou, Elena Miyano, Atsushi Miyano, Tequila, Pisco, Calvados, Rikumichi Kusuda, Ki'ichiro Numabuchi, Keiko Momoi, Hakuba's Housekeeper, Spider, Shizuka Hattori, and Scar Akai : All of these characters have depressingly empty profiles, lack of an importance to the ongoing plot, and/or very few appearances overall, so I question why they were not deleted as well. I'm relatively shocked that Fusae Campbell was spared as well; take away mere speculation and her article is about as important as other deleted characters. If this were Wikipedia, I would agree with this decision on the grounds of notability and importance, but this isn't Wikipedia. This is a fan Wikia dedicated to Detective Conan. On the main page of this site, I read the following: "'''We strive to become the number one source of all things Detective Conan related'''." I believe this decision works in the opposite direction of our goal. While I realize that we are DCW and not another Wikia, I can point you to many other communities where even less notable characters get articles. Again, while I'm not saying that we need to base our decisions on other websites, I do wish to point out that we don't need to minimize or downgrade our efforts and overall appeal simply for the sake of "notability". One of the perks of having individual character articles is the ability to have a set format in which to work with. Merging everything into one list of characters takes away that option. My reasoning is all over the place and might not make sense because this topic is not as black and white as it is made out to be. I agree that we should separate characters of importance from the main article (the list of people on the characters article was ridiculous), but I don't think we need to delete the articles in the process. Is there a limit to the number of articles a Wikia can have? I ask this only because I see many other ways in which we could reduce the number of articles if necessary (such as gadgets). Regardless of the outcome of this vote, I would recommend revising the Manual of Style in order for the community to understand what deems a character article-worthy.
::::::::::{{red|After reading comments from other users, I've decided to recant my first vote. It seems I misunderstood the premises of this whole debate. I was under the impression that we were voting on whether or not we agreed with the character deletions. If the question is whether or not a character should get an article solely because they are in a keyhole, then I switch my vote to against. If I'm still off target, I'll abstain altogether. Sorry for the confusion.}} --[[User:Jigsaw|Jigsaw]] 23:10, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
:Quick note here, I did restore all the articles and re-directed them. They are no longer deleted. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''Chekhov MacGuffin''']] [[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''talk''']] 20:43, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
::Well, originally they were deleted but the information was added to other locations. At least, that's what I thought. Now they are redirects, correct? --[[User:Jigsaw|Jigsaw]] 20:45, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
:::That's correct, I wanted to make sure that the history was preserved in case the character goes back to being a profile and wikilinks elsewhere would not be broken. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''Chekhov MacGuffin''']] [[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''talk''']] 20:52, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
::::Thank you again Chek as when I deleted the pages I didn't think about the whole redirection thing. But yes, as Chek stated, all pages previously deleted are redirects. --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 22:51, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
* Mohorovicic - I'm not someone who likes discussing in debates, nor do I like taking sides in a discussion. But the idea of "unnecessary" is blurry. To me, I don't think there are many characters in the series that are "unnecessary". It seems like a good idea if the character is a minor recurring character. Even if they're not, I just cannot see the logic behind deleting any character article. Just keep them, there isn't much harm in that, is there?

=== Votes against ===
* skyechan - Reasoning: Majority of the characters listed are important for basically one case featured in that volume. Some of the characters we have virtually no information on to begin with (Maria Higashio) and in the case of the minor recurring characters, don't really show up again to contribute a lot to the plot (Kazumi Tsukamoto). All information we had on the characters was moved to the lists with the characters so nothing was really lost. Keyhole characters have their keyholes next to their information.
* Ocianne - Reasoning: An entire profile page for the sole reason of having a keyhole or making a cameo reappearance or two is overkill, especially when most of the names listed above were essentially empty beyond some background. A second appearance is often no more than a cameo with no bearing on the case or a background mention of that character, and the notable character's importance in a case can be covered between the case's summary page and the character's non-profile summary, rather than reduplicating the case in the plot overview sub-section. By having all the current information simply moved, not deleted, and redirects from the profiles to the Notable or Minor character lists, these characters can still be used in the Cast and New Character areas while maintaining a realistic view of their importance to the overall plot.
* Chekhov - Reasoning, mostly the same as Skyechan's and Ocianne's with the allowance that some characters may graduate up to full profile if they gain more important roles or have speculation tied to them (Amuro, Fusae Campbell). [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''Chekhov MacGuffin''']] [[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''talk''']] 18:50, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

===Discussion===
Regarding Jigsaw's answer about the notability criteria, I'm for keeping it flexible so characters can gain profiles if or when they gain more relevance. I think the idea in general was to minimize the number of characters on the main character page to those who mattered most. I think Skyechan has the right idea to relegate some characters to a group page, but certain character's profiles are worth debating about whether to have (eg Matsuda) or not (eg Calvados). One thing I do want to say is that Jigsaw is not furthering his/her point by using the examples he/she suggested. Many of the examples Jigsaw listed are in fact important characters because they have been given significant backstories and are highly likely to recur in the future (Esp. Inspector Yuminaga and Koumei, but also Detective Toyama and Shizuka Hattori through their relationship to the Osaka team) (MK: Keiko Momoi), or are plot relevant (Scar Akai, Ethan Hondou, Elena Miyano, Atsushi Miyano, Tequila, Pisco, Rikumichi Kusuda, Ki'ichiro Numabuchi) (MK: Spider) and thus require their own pages to explain their plot relevance. It's true some still-existing profile pages are bare or don't seem notable if certain sections were ignored, but because they have those sections, they have an article. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''Chekhov MacGuffin''']] [[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''talk''']] 21:14, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
::I'll respond to each of your points below.

::'''I'm for keeping it flexible so characters can gain profiles if or when they gain more relevance.''' 
:::Keeping guidelines flexible is fine; I merely thought it could be helpful in the future.

::'''I think the idea in general was to minimize the number of characters on the main character page to those who mattered most.''' 
:::As I pointed out, I am in support of this. However, removing characters from the main character page does not require integrating minor character articles into character lists. They are two separate issues and should be treated as such.

::'''One thing I do want to say is that Jigsaw is not furthering his/her point by using the examples he/she suggested.''' 
:::For the record, I am a he. After my many months on DCW, I find it funny that I haven’t made this public yet. Moving on, this comment seems slightly unnecessary. It does not further your point to mention that I’m not furthering mine. On another note, your comment almost seems like an attack on my opinion; while I'm sure you had no ill intentions, some people might be turned off by that sort of thing.

::'''Many of the examples Jigsaw listed are in fact important characters because they have been given significant backstories and are highly likely to recur in the future''' 
:::In other words, you are basing decisions on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_crystal_ball|mere speculation]. That's hardly a way to determine notability. In fact, you could use this logic to argue the same thing for articles that were deleted / merged. This is not Wikipedia of course, but I linked to one of their guidelines in order to explain why I believe this point is invalid.

::'''(Esp. Inspector Yuminaga and Koumei, but also Detective Toyama and Shizuka Hattori through their relationship to the Osaka team) (MK: Keiko Momoi), or are plot relevant (Scar Akai, Ethan Hondou, Elena Miyano, Atsushi Miyano, Tequila, Pisco, Calvados, Rikumichi Kusuda, Ki'ichiro Numabuchi) (MK: Spider)''' 
:::Midori Megure has a relationship with the Tokyo team comparable to that of Shizuka Hattori with the Osaka team. You could argue a similar point for Misae Yamamura due to her grandson, but that might be pushing it. As you mentioned yourself, Jinpei could also be considered important due to his ties and back history. I don't follow Magic Kaito closely enough to respond to Keiko; I merely brought her up due to a lacking profile. As for plot relevance, you did not mention Chosuke Takagi, but there is speculation that he could have a role in the future due to his relocation to Tottori. Anyways, Kyosuke Haga provided Conan with crucial information that has aided him multiple times. Hikaru Yasumoto was also quite important during the Vermouth Arc because of the testimony involving her.

::'''It's true some still-existing profile pages are bare or don't seem notable if certain sections were ignored, but because they have those sections, they have an article.''' 
:::Could you please elaborate on this point? 

::Personally, I'd rather not rebuke other people's opinions and comments, but I felt this needed to be addressed. --[[User:Jigsaw|Jigsaw]] 21:53, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
:::I believe there is plenty of room for debate on who should or shouldn't have character profiles. The reason why I said you were not furthering your point was because I believe you were using several bad examples which undermined the value of your point that it is non-obvious who is deserving of a profile or not. In short, I agreed with you, and then your examples made me not want to agree with you.
:::You can call my "recurring character speculation" just that, but it's pretty clear by looking at past examples which characters on on the reappearing track, and my prediction track record has been pretty good. Often times, it's pretty clear which is why Sera and Amuro got articles on their first chapter appearance. Koumei will show up or be mentioned pretty much every time there is a Nagano case, but as those police are relatively new, they haven't had much exposure yet so they seem less relevant if one goes by the numbers.
:::You asked for an example of a character who would not be notable if it wasn't for other sections. Take Scar Akai, who appeared twice. His appearances were originally lumped onto Akai's article; however, the widespread speculation that he is Bourbon made forking his appearances off from Akai's page to address this speculation appropriate. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''Chekhov MacGuffin''']] [[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''talk''']] 22:20, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
::::To add on to this a few of the characters whose articles were moved clearly aren't coming back because they're dead, i.e. Masayoshi Sato and Jinpei Matsuda. They served their purpose of character development for Sato and that's all they were around for. The stories involving them were notable for the sake of Sato's character development, but again, they aren't going to come back. Now, before someone tosses the fact Shuichi Akai is also dead at me yet he has a profile page, Akai has thus far proved much more important towards the main plot of the overarching story of DC. He's been around for more than one notable case before his untimely disappearance. (And judging from Chek's theories, possibly may return.) --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 22:56, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
I will not vote based on whether there'd still be character development (I know you guys are much better with that than I am), their importance or because they have keyholes, but I will base it purely on page format/organization, consistency and the amount of info that we have and will have. I am very visual; I like it clean and simple; I don't like scrolling; and I scan much like what everybody else does on the web.

I like the idea that characters are categorized into minor and notable, and that the characters belonging to each are consolidated in pages. These pages though just look very cluttered and in disarray. Granted there's a contents box at the very top that organizes the page and so I could find which character I'm looking for but when I get to the middle, the section organization somehow gets lost, especially when there's a considerable amount of info. I know that this is a wiki and too much text is inevitable, but it doesn't hurt if you make it more readable by prettifying and formatting pages consistently.

With this, I want to know if those pages could be formatted in a more organized/readable way, or if we could format the minor and recurring characters pages just like the Characters page for consistency, with tables and just enough description to give an overview of the character.

If we could find a way to reduce the clutter of those pages without creating profile pages for characters, then I would vote against. If we choose to make it consistent with the Characters page, then I prefer that characters be given one based on the considerable (for this particular type of format) amount of info that they have (like Genji, Midori, Jinpei, etc.) or will have.

Even though I say "I" in my stance a lot, I'm sure there are other visual people like me who reads the wiki. This may or may not be directly related to your points (and I'm quite talking in circles) but I still would like to bring it to the table. --[[User:Lashedcheek|lashedcheek]] 07:35, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

== Sera and Amuro ==
Why are they in 'Others' and not in 'Family & Friends'? I think they must be there.
:Their allegiances have not been confirmed yet. There's a pretty good chance one of the two is Bourbon in which case they certainly aren't a "Friend". --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 16:28, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

User:Parkur

2011-10-18T22:35:48Z

Rockethermes169: Picture added for Parkur's sake.

{{InfoBox Char
| name =Parkur
| japanese-name = (Optional)
| english-name =Parkur
| image = parkur_profile.png
| age = 19
| gender =Male
| height = (Optional)
| weight = (Optional)
| date-of-birth = August 20, 1992
| relatives = (Optional)
| nicknames =
| aliases = "Woolykins" "Tater Salad"
| first-appearance = November 13, 2010
| appearances = Whenever Yumi showed up
| cases-solved = (Optional)
| keyhole = (Optional)
}}
Parkur is knows by various nicknames in various corners of the internet, "Woolykins" "Honey" "Mew" "Slum Lord" and most commonly "The Best In The World"

Watcher of more anime than most people, he's got a much more developed opinion of anime than the majority of people currently reading this.

Also known as a master of snark, it's rumored that Parkur helped to pioneer the widespread use of sarcasm on the internet,as his first words consisted of telling his mother how tacky her clothes were.

He also probably doesn't care about your opinion.

==Ponies==

Ponies are one of Parkur's main interests, everypony that Parkur talks to should like ponies, or else they can't be friends

==Wrestling==

Wrestling is Parkur's main passion, he has been keeping up with wrestling since about 1996, watching WWF, WWE, TNA, WSX, ROH, and SHIMMER

Parkur's favorite male wrestlers include: Wade Barrett, Alberto Del Rio, Daniel Bryan, The Miz, Heath Slater, Justin Gabriel, CM Punk, Robert Roode, Austin Aries, Eddie Edwards, Dolph Ziggler, Jack Swagger, Christian, Zack Ryder, AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, James Storm, Mark Henry, Samoa Joe, Chris Hero, Chris Sabin and Alex Shelley, Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas, and Bully Ray

Parkur's favorite female wrestlers include: Madison Rayne, Tara, Katie Lea, Mickie James, Gail Kim, Kharma, Beth Phoenix, Natalya, AJ Lee, Madison Eagles, and Parkur's future wife: Sara Del Rey

File:Parkur profile.png

2011-10-18T22:35:17Z

Rockethermes169:

User talk:Rockethermes169

2011-10-17T00:08:06Z

Rockethermes169: /* Meanie Time */

If you have anything to say that is not wiki-related, please talk about it on my profile here[http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/forum/user/5914-bein-b/|here.]

I check my messages habitually, so I'll get back on you as soon as I can. Please check my talk page so you know when I answer.

Also, please do not edit any messages on this talk page, whether the message is made by you or not.
==Thanks==
Thanks for cleaning up some of my grammar errors in Gadgets. I was like who is this guy but then i saw your RosaBlader ;) ~ Cheesus
*Hi, Cheesus! --[[User:Rockethermes169|RosaBlader]] strikes again! [http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/forum/user/5914-rosablader/|My forum account...!] 19:09, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Mark Stoddard ==

Where'd you find that picture of Mark Stoddard? [[User:CarpetCrawler|'''''Carpet''''''''''Crawler''''']][[User_talk:CarpetCrawler|'''''message me''''']] 23:33, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
*You can find anything on the Internet... :) --[[User:Rockethermes169|RosaBlader]] strikes again! [http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/forum/user/5914-rosablader/|My forum account...!] 23:37, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Um, yeah, but I was wondering where exactly on the internet you found it. [[User:CarpetCrawler|'''''Carpet''''''''''Crawler''''']][[User_talk:CarpetCrawler|'''''message me''''']] 00:42, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::I don't know myself...--[[User:Rockethermes169|RosaBlader]] strikes again! [http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/forum/user/5914-rosablader/|My forum account...!] 02:00, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Hi Xtion-kun ==

OK, I will, haha! Everyone seems to be copying my user page, LOL. And what do you mean by 'Mark Shi'? Your Japanese name ^^? Yor real name? Oh, and... your user page is very interesting! :D
*I see that you already had your Japanese name filled :o
*But sure! Here ->
** 'マーク' (''Maaku'') for '''Mark'''.
** There are many Kanjis having the same sound but different meaning (you may choose which one you like :D):
***四 (number 4 [four])
***死 (death) <- deadly XD
***視 (visual; vision)

I hope I helped. Or you can ask me for more if you want :)
-[[User:Kora|Kaoko]] 19:09, 06 February 2011 (UTC)

**I like the second one...-_- --[[User:Rockethermes169|xXLeration]] strikes again! [http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/forum/user/5914-rosablader/|My forum account...!] 23:59, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Relationship Analysis ==

...

Can I delete the relationship analysis on me? --[[User:Tonsostuff|IdentityUnknown]]

*Nope, cause all of it is sadly true. --[[User:Rockethermes169|xXLeration]] strikes again! [http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/forum/user/5914-rosablader/|My forum account...!] 13:43, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

You do know that by saying all of that, it'll cause a lot of speculation, right? --[[User:Tonsostuff|IdentityUnknown]]

==Meanie Time==
1,144 (499 with the Bunker Boys, 541 are Detective Conan cases.)

^ im assuming that you do understand that 499+541=1040 right? Its only a typo? :V

* Who said that the two categories mentioned are the only "cases" I've solved? I have solved 1144 cases. The 104 cases left unaccounted for are from various other sources, like Encyclopedia Brown and etc. Keep that in mind. --[[User:Rockethermes169|xXLeration]] strikes again! [http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/forum/user/5914-rosablader/|My forum account...!] 00:37, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

=_=''
*speechless* :V

* Well, it doesn't matter, AiLoveConan. BTW, it would be helpful if you placed your signature by your messages.--[[User:Rockethermes169|xXLeration]] strikes again! [http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/forum/user/5914-rosablader/|My forum account...!] 00:08, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

User:Rockethermes169/Wiki Page

2011-10-12T04:00:50Z

Rockethermes169: /* Background */

{{InfoBox Char
| name =Mohorovicic
| japanese-name = 死マーク (Shi Mark)
| image = rockethermes169_profile.png|200px
| age = 18 (supposedly)
| gender = Male
| date-of-birth = March 11, 1994 (supposedly)
| relatives = The Reaper [[User:Pontoon|Pontoon]] (older brother) Kurator (younger brother
| nicknames = Mochi (Kiel) Moho-kun (various) Mark (Kaoko, IdentityUnknown) Mohawk (Wildheart)
| first-appearance = October 28, 2010
| appearances = Many
| cases-solved = 1,144 (499 with the Bunker Boys, 541 are Detective Conan cases.)
| keyhole = The next one.
| footnotes = This member is awesome.
}}
{{cquote|'''I look handsome in a dress!'''|Quote from a conversation regarding Mohorovicic's "handsomeness".}}
Mohorovicic is an active DCW member who seldomly, but does, work on the DCW wiki. One of the oldest active members on DCW, he is quite friendly towards all members, new and old. He currently holds the 5th most posts on DCW and the most friends (according to the friend list) on DCW.
==Appearance==
His standard attire consists of a light jacket, a short-sleeve shirt, and long jeans. He tends to wear a Rockies hat, facing forward. He prefers darker colors in his attire. He rarely wears sunglasses, opting instead for clear-lense glasses.

Since Mohorovicic has declined to reveal any personal pictures of himself, it is unknown what he looks like.
==Personality==

==Background==
''Note: This portion is vague because of a lack of confirmed detail.''
 
Mohorovicic was born in the island of Jeju. Some time during his childhood years, he was abandoned on the streets of Korea. Wandering around the country, he somehow ended up in America, at which he was adopted later.

Mohorovicic mentions that "they didn't need me, and I didn't need them", and later ran away from their care. He later bumped into a tae-kwan-do teacher, who he resided with for a few years. Later, his teacher gave him to a married Chinese couple with two children.

Much later, at the age of 18, Mohorovicic moved out of his adoptive parent's home, and currently lives with a friend in an apartment. He still keeps in touch with his parents often, and regularly receives "loans" from them in times of need; Mohorovicic attempts to pay them off as soon as possible.

==Trivia==
*Mohorovicic's blood type is AB. He is 6 feet, 2 inches tall.
*His favorite phrase is "I don't believe there's no way to go back!"
*His favorite word is "Change".
*His favorite food is pot roast, while he dislikes anything sweet.

User:Rockethermes169/Wiki Page

2011-10-12T03:59:42Z

Rockethermes169:

{{InfoBox Char
| name =Mohorovicic
| japanese-name = 死マーク (Shi Mark)
| image = rockethermes169_profile.png|200px
| age = 18 (supposedly)
| gender = Male
| date-of-birth = March 11, 1994 (supposedly)
| relatives = The Reaper [[User:Pontoon|Pontoon]] (older brother) Kurator (younger brother
| nicknames = Mochi (Kiel) Moho-kun (various) Mark (Kaoko, IdentityUnknown) Mohawk (Wildheart)
| first-appearance = October 28, 2010
| appearances = Many
| cases-solved = 1,144 (499 with the Bunker Boys, 541 are Detective Conan cases.)
| keyhole = The next one.
| footnotes = This member is awesome.
}}
{{cquote|'''I look handsome in a dress!'''|Quote from a conversation regarding Mohorovicic's "handsomeness".}}
Mohorovicic is an active DCW member who seldomly, but does, work on the DCW wiki. One of the oldest active members on DCW, he is quite friendly towards all members, new and old. He currently holds the 5th most posts on DCW and the most friends (according to the friend list) on DCW.
==Appearance==
His standard attire consists of a light jacket, a short-sleeve shirt, and long jeans. He tends to wear a Rockies hat, facing forward. He prefers darker colors in his attire. He rarely wears sunglasses, opting instead for clear-lense glasses.

Since Mohorovicic has declined to reveal any personal pictures of himself, it is unknown what he looks like.
==Personality==

==Background==
''Note: This portion is vague because of a lack of confirmed detail.''
Mohorovicic was born in the island of Jeju. Some time during his childhood years, he was abandoned on the streets of Korea. Wandering around the country, he somehow ended up in America, at which he was adopted later.

Mohorovicic mentions that "they didn't need me, and I didn't need them", and later ran away from their care. He later bumped into a tae-kwan-do teacher, who he resided with for a few years. Later, his teacher gave him to a married Chinese couple with two children.

Much later, at the age of 18, Mohorovicic moved out of his adoptive parent's home, and currently lives with a friend in an apartment. He still keeps in touch with his parents often, and regularly receives "loans" from them in times of need; Mohorovicic attempts to pay them off as soon as possible.
==Trivia==
*Mohorovicic's blood type is AB. He is 6 feet, 2 inches tall.
*His favorite phrase is "I don't believe there's no way to go back!"
*His favorite word is "Change".
*His favorite food is pot roast, while he dislikes anything sweet.

User:Rockethermes169/Wiki Page

2011-10-12T00:52:30Z

Rockethermes169:

2011-09-25T20:12:22Z

Rockethermes169:

User:Rockethermes169/Wiki Page

2011-09-25T19:58:32Z

Rockethermes169:

2011-07-15T17:37:38Z

Rockethermes169: /* Relationship Analysis */

{{InfoBox Char
| name =Mohorovicic
| japanese-name = 死マーク (Shi Mark)
| image = Conan_Edogawa_Profile.jpg
| age = 17
| gender = Male
| date-of-birth = March 11, 1994
| relatives = The Reaper [[User:Pontoon|Pontoon]] (older brother) Kurator (younger brother
| nicknames = Mochi (Kiel) Moho-kun (various) Mark (Kaoko, IdentityUnknown)
| first-appearance = October 28, 2010
| appearances = Many
| cases-solved = 1,144 (499 with the Bunker Boys, 437 are Detective Conan cases.)
| keyhole = The next one.
| footnote = This member is awesome.
}}
Mohorovicic is a semi-popular DCW member, and semi-active DCW editor. He is also active on several anonymous wikis, and also has the most friends on DCW then any other user. He also currently has the 4th most posts on DCW.
==Background==
Mohorovicic was born in 1994 in Jeju. Mohorovicic has yet to volunteer any background information about himself, though he had a girlfriend (who later broke up with him). Mohorovicic also mentions that he does not know who his biological parents are, and also suggests he had an abusive childhood.
 
 
Mohorovicic lives in an apartment, sharing the rent bills with his friend who lives with him. He manages to pay his share of the rent by having a job as a website designer.

==Personality==
Mohorovicic is generally friendly towards newcomers. He also has a habit to add any new member he sees to his friend list, regardless of activity level, unless a new member happens to be a spammer. Another habit, a more recent habit he developed, is saying ROFL in response to posts he finds amusing.
 
 
Mohorovicic has a great sense of humor, and will sometimes go out of his way to cause laughter within the forums. He tends to bond to most members easily. Occasionally, Mohorovicic will become serious; this is usually when his posts become more insightful and less comedic. A common topic Mohorovicic becomes serious on is his past life, which no DCW member knows about.
 
 
Mohorovicic puts less than zero of his confidence into love. This is likely because of his girlfriend breaking up with him. This lack of trust into love is the main reason he joined the Lonely Hearts Club. However, recently, he seems to have regained some faith within love.
 
 
Mohorovicic is very difficult to agitate, and even harder to anger outright. He mentions that "you do not want to see me when I'm angry." Mohorovicic has yet to truly get angry while on DCW, though he had moments where he was close to the anger point.
==Interests==
'''Writing:''' Mohorovicic has a Fanfiction account, however he believes his stories are somewhat mediocre.
 
 
'''Coding:''' Mohorovicic is able to code websites, and also considers it fun. He also makes a living using his coding skills.
 
 
'''Soccer:''' Mohorovicic is fond of the sport, though he admits he hasn't played it in years. He often tries to hone his skills, trying to get to Shinichi's level in soccer. So far, he is not there yet.
 
 
'''DCW:''' Mohorovicic spends some of his free time on DCW. He enjoys the tight community that DCW offers, and the variety and character of the members that reside in it. He is saddened, however, on the fact that some of the older members, like Officer Kaoko and blueberry, do not seem to be coming on recently.
==Skills==
'''Coding:''' Mohorovicic is able to code decently. He specializes in website styling.
 
 
'''Disguise:''' Mohorovicic claims he is able to disguise himself to look like both genders. He also mentions he once cosplayed Shiho at a convention.
 
 
'''Music:''' Mohorovicic shows adeptness at music, being able to play various instruments and also having perfect pitch (or something very close). He is able to use these skills to compose music, however he shows no interest in a musical career.

==Relationship Analysis==
===IdentityUnknown===
It was unknown how Mohorovicic felt toward IdentityUnknown.
 Forever Lost has once asked Mohorovicic if he loved IdentityUnknown. His answer was vague, consisting of merely "She's really too young, isn't she?"
 Recently, Mohorovicic has admitted that he indeed loves IdentityUnknown on the DCW forums. This relationship has been seen from time to time, but has yet to blossom, probably due to both members being secretive.
===Forever Lost===
Mohorovicic has suggested once that Forever Lost was the reason he left. Although he has not confirmed this, nor denied it, people may note his relations with Forever Lost has chilled.
===Cammy3131===
Cammy3131 originally soon became Mohorovicic's rival upon joining DCW. He seems to feel connections toward Cammy3131, mentioning that she is a "comrade that shares his scar."
===Metantei Kaitou Kid===
Mohorovicic does not like Metantei Kaitou Kid, mainly because he finds the latter annoying. Mohorovicic also shows distaste towards Metantei Kaitou Kid's habit of saying "Uhu".
 
He finds it amusing, however, that Metantei Kaitou Kid cannot spell "Meitantei" right, even after changing his username once.

==Trivia==
*Mohorovicic is ambidextrous.
*Mohorovicic has the least amount of comments on his profile page among the top 5 posters.
*He does have the second most profile views among the top 5 posters, his profile view count is exceeded only by IdentityUnknown in this case.
*Mohorovicic has the highest amount of reputation among the top 5 posters, he also has the third highest among all users.
*He is the oldest member on the DCW forums among the top 5 posters.
*It is also likely that he is the oldest member by age among the top 5 posters, but since KKLT's, IdentityUnknown's, and Metantei Kaitou Kid's ages are unknown or not confirmed, this may not be true.

==See also==
*[[User:Kora]]
*[[User:Vegito2010]]
*[[User:skyechan]]
*[[User:Pontoon]]
*[[User:tonsostuff]]