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    Oh—when she thought, "they," she meant the BO, rather than her parents.

    That's an interesting interpretation! I think it would be unwise to rule out the possibility that her parents may have had plans for Shiho, since they left her alive in the hands of the Organization.

     

    Huh? Where did the suggestion that Koji wasn't killed by APTX 4869 come from?

    The cause of death, described by the articles Shinichi/Conan was reading, seemed to be unknown—that's consistent with APTX 4869 fulfilling its assassination purpose.

    And I don't think that someone as meticulous and smart as Shiho/Ai would mix up lists.

    I think the theory comes from the fact that Shiho's APTX 4869 was not in existence yet. So it must have been her parents' creation which makes things a bit more muddy. Was there project called APTX 4869 too? The same as or different than Silver Bullet?

     

    Well, Haibara told Conan exactly what he asks in this chapter: Kouji's name was two below yours on the APTX victim list, which of course must seem odd to him in this chapter, since Kouji died when Shinichi wasn't even born yet.

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    So Haibara really did memorize that whole list in order.

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    The person's blog seems to claim that they copied information off the internet and they are not checking the accuracy of the contents.

    However, I've copied a bunch of their statements about "the boss is not this person" into google with quotes to see if that exact sentence

    has been put somewhere else online and can't seem to find those statements anywhere but that blog.  I haven't even seen them on 2ch other

    than in reference to that blog. Unless literally all of the sources for those statements come from places like protected twitter or facebook or blog accounts

    (which would be really suspicious) then I have no idea where they got the information from.  But the likely hood of that many Boss cards all appearing at

    the same time in close succession seems really odd. Some twitter people seem to think that Gosho would never deny people like Daikoku/Ooguro,

    Karasuma, Genichiro, or Edward Crowe because of how widely popular those theories are across the fandom worldwide. 

     

    of the postcards I have found, the only Boss related one that we have is "Toichi Kuroba is not the boss"

     

    I checked the untranslated postcards for the names and didn't see any either, so I was pretty suspicious. (But then again my Japanese reading is pretty bad.) The internet is full of sketchy sources, so all the better to be strict on the plot critical pages.

     

    that sounds a bit shady....

    Btw, who is Edward Crowe?

    I'm curious why a Boss theory concerning him(who I don't even remember) would be popular...

    Journalist on the plane from Shinichi's first case. It's because his name is Crowe and he is the flunky of a US representative, not because anything substantial. He didn't act intelligently to be honest. Not notable at all.

    The sketchy reporter everyone should watch is Atsushi Mori from Ski Lodge Murder Case. I swear he walked out of Kindaichi. (I don't really think he is the boss, but he was one of those great characters who was never used to full potential. He would be a great non-BO antagonist if he threatened to publish an article about Shinichi.)

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    So, something that's been bothering me... not very spoilery so forget the tags, less work when I remove them all later

    Conan (roughly) says: "Why is Kouji's name two below mine on the list?"

    Haibara (roughly) says: "The person in charge of the data probably didn't arrange it by chronological order, but possibly by the victims' blood types instead."

    And I say: "Hold on, Conan. The only place that list has been shown is in Haibara's head. Haibara didn't bring any documents with her when she shrank, the Night Baron virus destroyed one drug data disk, and Haibara hid the second one. You didn't know about Haneda's name being on the list one chapter before which means Haibara hadn't shown you a list copy. So how exactly do you know about the precise order of names on this list?"

    Did Haibara tell Conan that she memorized that entire list in order, and gave Conan a copy between 947 and 948? Or did Conan know a data disk survived, snuck a peek, and then didn't notice he said something revealing?

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    Shiho/Ai must be referring to Silver Bullet on page 4—her parents wanted her to make that "dream drug" of theirs.

     

    P4: Haibara says the drug may have been made by her parents, because she remade the drug by collecting the burned remains of the data. Her parents' research facility caught fire, which both destroyed the drug data and killed her parents, though she heard that it was an accident from others in the BO

    P4: Haibara's thought "But, what they truly wanted me to make..." "Was another drug..."

    Eh? I came to the opposite conclusion. Shiho must have been working on her parent's drug, Silver Bullet/APTX 4869, because her work was based on her parents' drug data which she collected from the ashes of the fire (new info <3). Shiho described her effort as "remaking"; however, the higher ups wanted her to work on another drug instead of her parents' creation. Which implies another drug beyond APTX/Silver Bullet exists. We have had hints about this, such as Haibara's comment that Kudo is part of a project that is over 50 years old when the Miyano parents only came on board 30 years ago. This other drug might explain Vermouth's aging problem for instance.

    The newest info creates problems for the Vermouth took Silver Bullet theory, much like the same ones that undermine the APTX version of the argument. Like APTX, the fact that Silver Bullet was also used for killing throws doubt on the theory that Vermouth willingly used the Miyano parents' Silver Bullet to achieve her current state. Unless it was forced on her or she was feeling suicidal, why would Vermouth take a death drug? And also, since Aptx4869 is a remaking of her parents' project, why would the BO not suspect Silver Bullet/APTX 4869 could cause de-aging/age-stopping if it happened to Vermouth already?

    Shiho, won't you regret what you are about to do? If so, I'm totally on your side! Well, it will be you nineteenth birthday next time. Bye-bye, honey. Oh yes, maybe it's about time I told you... The truth is, your mom is making a truly terrifying drug at the moment. My lab mates are getting really excited about it, they say it's like a dream drug. Your dad and I are putting all our hopes on it and calling it the Silver Bullet! But in order to complete the drug, your dad and I will have to leave you and your sister. Please understand, Shiho.

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    The drug back then used to Kill Kouji would have been Silver Bullet wouldn't it? I'm not surprised its also killing people like APTX if Shiho used it the base for her research. (She heavily implied it was killing most of her test mice, and the Org was using it to kill people too.) I've speculated that the two projects are the same, just by different names, one in the hands of the Miyano parents, one in the hands of Shiho, and that seems to be confirmed now. I have made more than a few posts about it and it's on the wiki under the speculation section for Silver Bullet and APTX. Conan would have naturally been surprised that it was being used 17 years ago and asked Ai about it because he doesn't know of Silver Bullet. He didn't listen to Haibara's tapes all the way through. ( I recall there is a thread at DCTP which talks about what Conan knows and doesn't to help keep track of what has been only been revealed to the reader through private thoughts.)
     
    Also about the scissors and P T ON from PUT ON MASCARA it's extremely likely we are looking at a Japanese pun. Koji most likely didn't tightly grip the scissors for self defense but to make sure the mark of the scissors could not be removed from his body as it is part of the clue. By inserting a scissors related word, or something related to cut you can probably figure it out. The tap left on in the recent case is probably a cryptic pun clue in the same vein.
     
    My guess is that Koji was a witness to a key part of Amanda's assassination and was silenced. We might get a lead on a Black Organization member in the past because of this case, especially if we can figure out if they came back to tamper with the crime scene.
     
     
    ---- The Akai family timeline so far

    • Mr. Akai and Mrs. Sera are born and married. Mrs. Sera takes her husband's surname Akai.
    •  ?? years ago: Shuichi Akai is born.
    • 28 years ago: Shukichi Akai is born.
    • 17 years ago: Koji Haneda is killed with APTX 4869 (most likely the Miyano parents' version Silver Bullet). Shukichi is 11.
    • 16-17 years ago: Masumi Akai is born in Japan. At this time, the middle brother is approximately 11-12 and in junior high.
    • Sometime after Masumi is conceived, her father dies. The time of the father's death is uncertain, but Masumi implies it affected the family names.
    • >14-15 years ago: Masumi and Shukichi start using the family name Sera instead of Akai.
    • 14-15 years ago: Shukichi enters high school with the family name Sera. Shukichi is 13-14 and Masumi is ~2.
    • 11-12 years ago: Shukichi graduates high school and changes his family name from Sera to Haneda. Shukichi is age 16-17 and Masumi is 4-5. (Masumi says all three siblings have different family names. Masumi has "Sera", Shuichi has "Akai", and Shukichi has "Haneda".)
    • 5-10 years ago: Shuichi sends Masumi Jeet Kune Do videos. (Masumi is 6-11 and in elementary school)
    • 5 years ago: Shuichi starts infiltrating the Black Organization and dating Akemi Miyano. Shukichi is 22-23 and Masumi is 11.
    • 3 years ago: Mrs. Akai and Masumi move to America, Masumi goes to middle school in America.
    • 2 years ago: Shuichi is uncovered as an FBI agent and is ejected from the Black Organization.
    • Current: Masumi comes back at the age of 16-17 to Japan. Shukichi has been living in Japan winning shogi awards.
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    That's some handy advice, though I hope this doesn't mean something happened to your computer.  If it does, then my condolences.

    Did your house catch fire? Is everything okay?

    My home is just fine, albeit covered in white wintery bullshit at the moment. My computer HD decided to become swiss cheese. 1/400 sectors unreadable, files MIA, etc. I had backups though, so I am 100% cool minus the cost of repair.

     

    Cloud has limited storage and ask for money too :(

    I don't use this strategy, but you can upload a surprising amount of stuff on mediafire and megaupload for free. You can set it so your links aren't findable without a direct link (I think). Just compress and encrypt it so that it needs your (long and strong) password. Works really well for documents and spreadsheets, less so for pictures.

    The cheap non-cloud workaround I use is to leave the third password-protected drive (external HD#2) somewhere reliable like my personal drawer at work. I keep a small thumbdrive of all my most important docs I have changed in the past few months, and only update harddrive #3 every three months or so when I dump my pics off my phone. If my computer and HD#2 were to bite it simultaneously, the third drive and the thumb drive together make a mostly complete set by themselves.

    Even if you leave all three HDs in the same place, it's better than only two HDs (comp and external #1). Just putting an HD at the other end of your house out of range of natural hazards and where burglars would not look is reasonable.

     

    If anyone thinks this is obsessive, in high school, I once lost my final English paper that was like 15% of my grade the night before it was due because of a computer overheat. (Back in the days when laptops weighed like 15 pounds and could fry an egg on the underside.) I convinced my teacher not to punish me by handing her a receipt for the emergency data recovery service I rushed my comp to, but it was a close call. I never wanted to experience that stress agony again.

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    Chkdsk /R

     

    Also everyone reading this, make a backup of all your computer docs. Harddisks fail when you least expect it. The best method is to have an external HD and a cloud/offsite backup so you would be okay if either HD broke or your house caught on fire. Triplicate is the way to go.

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    I'm just happy if people return, even if for but a few short moments.

    Maybe it's just me, but I've always felt forum goodbyes are a bad idea for this very reason. When you have announced an official goodbye, it makes you feel guilty when you want to check back in later and maybe say hi. Life moves on, but sometimes it's fun to look back on where you came from.

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    I hope some of the better art winds up on zerochan where I can see it without an account. :P

     

    There is a surprising amount of official art on there too which can be hard to find. If you collect DC anime art, that's an excellent place to look.

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    @DCW being quiet. That's pretty much expected. We lost the regular weekly translators for the series which keeps fans interested and coming back. There was a massive falloff in post volume because of that, here and at DCTP. Should a translator team return to regular release schedule, then more people will come out of the woodwork. Also the activity of the forums follows the plot pace. The plot has been quiet, and the novelty of Rum, Shuukichi, and the mystery child have worn off. (Until further changes)

     

    Lastly and perhaps most importantly, the spike in Detective Conan's popularity has worn off. Back around 2009-2011 was peak posting volume here and at DCTP. It's declined steadily since in both places to 10% of what it once was. That's because in 2009-2011, all the people who saw the English dub Case Closed on Cartoon Network in 2003 as kids and middle schoolers became highschoolers and college students which are the most active crowd as far forum posting goes. Now most of the people who watched Case Closed are adults and adult life tends to take you away from hobbies and internet pursuits. The people who remain are those who like the mystery genre and anime in general and found it through Viz Volumes, fansubs, and scanlations rather than English dubs. Many are international, because their local dubs are still airing.

     

    The chatroom gets quiet long before the general and manga subforums do because discussion there can take place at a slower place. The post quality is still very high. People are still discussing case solutions. The wiki edit rate has remained pretty steady, even though most of the major articles are nearing "completion". The site is nowhere near dying, and neither is the series. There is a lot to look forward to. I am sorry to see some of you leave. Detective Conan is a slow and steady series, and the fanbase is going match it.

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    @Shinan-Kudogawa and @DCUniverseAficionado

    It just hit me, it might be a 'reversed' hint. Think about, if the movie is canon or non-canon, the involvement of three foreign spies in the BO should mean something. It is still problematic if the movie is non-canon, and my theory won't hold, but a chance stands. If it is what I think it is, then the three spies are meant to prove the international widespread of the BO. Since as far as we know, BO exists in Japan and U.S.A, we never got to know the full extent infamy of the BO. Therefore if what I think is true, Gosho-sama is trying to tell us that the BO has reached the Canadian, British and the German soils. OK now I get where I went wrong, the BO did reach Germany's land, proven by the ownership of Gin's Porsche which is an exclusive manufacture product that exists only in Germany. So aside from U.S, Japan and Germany, one can guess they reached Canada and Britain, which leads to the following question. Why are these countries in particular to be relevant? What is common among these countries? Due they hold significant plot related twist?. Could it be that one of the BO's higher ups is half Japanese half (one of these countries), or is it because the BO wants to control lots of money (as claimed by Gosho-sama in an early interview) that they have reached these countries?. My guess is that they are relevant for the spies of secret government forces to know of their existence and infiltrate the BO... What are your thoughts??

    Good point, but I'm guessing just like with Shuu and Kir. They don't know of the others true allegiance, therefore alone they won't take a risk considering their high level sneaking skills. Think about it, if the U.S own governmental secret agencies were not in corporation from the first place and Shuu had to know Kir's CIA involvement only later, then what would you think of spies from different agencies from different countries.

     

    And what of their superiors? The agents may not know, but their superiors must, through the grapevine, as it were. Germany, the U.K. and the U.S. are allies, the latter two especially so. I don't think they'd keep each other in the dark about a global criminal organization. They are also allies with Japan, the source country—I don't see them not cooperating with each other to deal with such a threat, and not doing some pretty decent damage, at the very least.
     
    Thing is, the movie—the non-canon movie—is saying the BO is a global presence. At most, the manga involves the U.S. and maybe the U.K., in terms of countries that the Japan-based BO has managed to reach and influence.

     

    That's what I say, but I do remind you again that the FBI and the CIA didn't know of the other's knowledge on the existence of the BO and didn't cooperate and they are from the same country. What do you think about agencies that are far away, besides it might be that one agency does not know or want to know other spies in order not to risk exposing them to the BO.

     

    And I say this is proof the BO is, indeed, in the manga, not a global issue, as it will be in Movie 20—if it were, they would have told each other. While the CIA's involvement in this would be expected, the FBI's involvement is quite irregular—just how did Jodie's father get involved with the business of the BO?



    I think the truth might be a hybrid of what you both are suggesting.

     

    I think the involvement of the FBI and CIA (And maybe MI6) and even Movie 20's premise are clear signs the BO has international reach and has caused some damage in foreign countries. Even western intelligence groups don't go out and purely try to right wrongs and vanquish evil; they have to be able to justify some benefit to their home country.

     

    Perhaps the BO's overseas crime don't look like they are caused by an international-level mafia with a lot of power, thus intelligence agencies won't identify them properly and collaborate well. (And that's where I think the movies and AO scenes go wrong; they make the BO's power and reach far too obvious. Simulated-assassination of a US vice president, coordinated killings of different nations' intelligence officers one after another so it easy to tell they are connected to the same international motive, and stealing US military aircraft are too much.) If you look at the canon crimes we know the BO has committed overseas, it seems to be mostly bribery, threats to force the exchange of information, and single target murder (which does get attention, in this case the FBI's). It might be enough to get local intelligence involved, especially if they sense a pattern over time, but not enough to go bugging foreign countries about it. Hence you get a piecemeal response from everyone (especially since no one likes to share info).

     

    The sort of criminal tactics that make it clear they are a large mafia-like group may only be reserved for Japan because their homebase is there. They have to commit more and flashier crimes for "housekeeping" so to speak.  One example is the attempted assassination of Domon Yasuteru to prevent a politician hard on crime who might pursue them from rising to power. That sort of attention-grabbing political assassination might not be needed in foreign countries where they are just there to extract "resources" (technology and researchers, etc.) because they don't have many of their assets tied up there. (And as long as they keep it in Japan, they stays Japan's problem, not everyone else's.)

     

     

    I'm guessing, he probably investigated a bombing case (BO's MO :D ), and came upon the discovery of the BO. He started investigating a link, a famous actress at the time thought to be 'connected'. And as he tails her, he finds out a lot about her. A mistake slips, and the actress Vermouth finds out. She then decides to look up on him and finds out he is FBI, she decides to take him down without BO's knowledge so that no one would know of her mistake. After she does so, we know what happens, however little did she know that the spy had a daughter who could confirm his hidden documents regarding the existence of a large criminal corporate..

     

    It could be two different events entirely that triggered the interest of the US law enforcement in the Black Organization. The events might not have been high enough priority individually to get the CIA and FBI to inform each other from the start. The FBI seems to have the most unusual involvement of everyone. I'm thinking that someone in the FBI ranks (James Black, Mr. Starling) made an unorthodox decision to chase a personal motive (Mr. Starling's and Mr. Akai's death probably). Events unfolded, and then it became hard to justify a joint task force without revealing the not by-the-books steps the FBI took to get where they are today. The Akai-killing-Scotch situation seems to have completely damaged any official US and Japan collaboration.

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    To be fair, I do think think the calendar likely has some significance to the case. Gosho has for a long time been matching his cases to the real world timeline of when they are published in Shounen Sunday.** It's most obvious with the seasons and holidays; it is winter in the manga when it is winter in real life. However the timing match also carries over even to specific dates outside of holidays. Eri's Misfortune Case happened around her October 5th birthday. The calendar in this case is off by 2 months which is definitely unexpected given Gosho's past habits. If it is related, it is very likely someone will mention the calendar explicitly in the next chapter because a reference point has to be set for the Volume to make sense. If for any reason, the in-manga date or a date relative to the calendar is mentioned, that will surely mean the calendar is a clue.

     

    **That is not to say the progression of time in manga matches real world time, only that events in manga link up to real world timing. Less that a year has passed since Conan shrank in canonical time. A floating timeline has an obvious mismatch between the apparent progression of time and the canon progression of time.

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    Volume 18, File 9 (179), pg 10, 3rd panel from the bottom

    Still, if the Organization keeps using the drug for killing, it's very likely that eventually someone else will shrink like us.

    The possibility of someone else turning up shrunken was definitely forewarned.

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    Paraphrasing the above since there was a lot of repetitive info.

     

    ★ To every Conan fan, thank you for waiting! Conan love wrapped up in a miraculous all-night event, the annual "Detective Conan secret night" will be held again this year in Ikebukuro HUMAX cinemas!

    Information on events and how to buy tickets will be revealed on Ikebukuro HUMAX cinemas' official website on Jan 22 (Friday) at 14:00.
    Come check it out!

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    Here is my cleaned undistorted, rotated version of the code panel for your solving convenience. It's not perfectly square, but it's close enough for most needs.

     

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    It may be that the solution is not too complicated.

    There are single English letter abbreviations for the eight basic Shogi pieces.

    King.............K   
Rook.............R  
Bishop...........B   
Gold General.....G   
Silver General...S  
Knight...........N   
Lance............L   
Pawn.............P  

    There is some scribble which resembles each one of these English letters on the paper. The two purple Ps are meant to account for whether Gosho can put the loop on the correct side or not. It's a common problem for non-native writers. There is also another decent small K on the far upper left I didn't mark in red.

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    I assume then there is a corresponding piece of paper with holes cut in it that blocks out everything but the letter part of the scribbes. Signs of cutting with an exacto knife should be on the desk (and the knife too). It may even be possible to replicate the mask paper if was done with a pad of paper as the backing. The paper scraps from the cutting might have gone out with the garbage, but they may still be in the wastebin.

    Take this solution with a grain of salt because it's really easy to find patterns that aren't there.

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