Chekhov MacGuffin
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I think you are projecting too many of your own feelings and personality on her character to make conclusions rather than looking at the evidence. Haibara as a character, unlike Ran, doesn't revolve around Shinichi/Conan. Haibara draws almost as much strength from Ayumi and the DB and their pep talks as she does from Conan. She also enjoys being around Agasa and the DB, as she goes with them all of the time without complaint (unlike Conan who wishes he was an adult and knocks their kiddy interests at regular intervals). No evidence in the manga suggests the contrary.Because right now she has Conan... And like I said, I'm sure she appreciates living a much carefree life, but no way will an 18 year old find enough joy in a life which consists no more than taking care of Hakase & babysitting DB.
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I think Haneda Kouji's death by APTX is the real deal. I have no idea what Gosho is referring to honestly. Silly question, but does Gosho actually even know the meaning of "red herring?" Is the phrase for it in Japanese connote the same as in English?Gosho did say there was a red herring in Volume 18... do you think it could be anything else but Koji's name on the APTX list?
Yes.You mean Hado's song?
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One thing that has been bothering me is that this case has shown absolutely no connection to Haneda Kouji. For all we know ASACA stands for the Atlantic Shipping And Climbing Association and the 17 years ago timing is a complete coincidence.
And speaking of shipping we have another career group with skill in lifting and rope manipulation. The annoying reporter, assuming he is being truthful about his skills, would be out of the suspect pool if he can't knot.
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Isn't that what she and Shinichi/Conan have been doing for pretty much the entire series?
Yep, but only Conan complains about it. Ai seems content. She especially seems to like playing Agasa's diet minder, enough to put silly emoticons in her messages.
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I sent someone this in a message, but I suppose it is relevant here.
My opinion is that the boss will be male. Gosho follows a simple rule 3 times out of 4: a woman will have a man in her circle of people who interact with her who is on average more competent. Competence is measured as the ability to solve cases, make plans, outsmart opposition, or command a dangerous situation.
Proves the rule
Ran <-- Shinichi
Ai/Shiho <-- Conan
Ayumi <-- Conan
Sonoko <-- Kaitou Kid, Makoto, Shinichi
Yukiko <-- Yuusaku
Kazuha <-- Heiji
Sumiko <-- Shiratori
Azusa <-- Amuro, Kogoro/Conan
Masumi <-- Shuukichi, Shuuichi, Shinichi
Yui <-- Kansuke, Koumei
Jodie <-- Shuuichi
Kir <-- Shuuichi, Ethan, Shinichi
Chianti <-- Gin
Aoko <-- Kaito
Chikage <-- Toichi
Akako <-- Kaito
About even or in violation (and note that for all of these but Naeko, the woman has been in trouble more times than the man has and needed rescuing.)
Eri <-- Kogoro
Sato <-- Takagi
Naeko <-- Chiba
Vermouth <-- Gin, Akai, Bourbon
Character pairs we don't know enough about: Shizuka and Heizo, Mary and Mr. Akai/Shuuichi
Vermouth is likely less competent than the boss, so to prove the rule that boss would be male. If the boss is top in competency then only a male boss would avoid violating the rule.
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And what if she found relatives,will she really want to stay as a child?
You mean the Akai family?
I mean after the BO is gone she could have a life an an adult.She was alone before but now she has friends and Agasa,so what's the point of hiding with a fake identity?It would be much more brave for her to get back to her real identity and use all that she learnt as Ai in her real life.At least she wouldn't have to lie anymore.And DC is all about truth...
Gosho said DC will have a happy ending, so I can't imagine that if the BO is not fully destroyed...
My main point is that the Shiho's circumstances after the fall of the BO would not be helped by being an adult. All the big fish might be arrested or killed, but that doesn't mean all of the associates will be nabbed right away. Even if you had fantasy 100% police efficiency all the bad guys must first go through court. And while we are on the topic of crime, it's highly possible Shiho herself may be charged with crimes. She did create a killer drug and the police can't really overlook that. Worst case scenario she has the whole book thrown at her and she ends up in jail for decades, best case scenario she is offered amnesty in exchange for testimony, but she will most likely be forced into witness protection to protect her from her former BO colleagues getting favors from criminals outside of jail and angry members of the public. Either way, Shiho would be under the control of a prosecutor who cares more about getting the bad guys for the sake of his career and justice than properly protecting an ex-bad guy and her secrets. The likelihood of her having normal "real life" after all of this is very low because she will be in jail or in hiding from pissed off ex-BO.
If Shiho remains a child she would at least have the card up her sleeve of being practically unprosecutable, but still able to offer testimony while controlling when and where she is seen as Shiho by using temporary antidotes. It would reduce the risk to Agasa and the Detective Boys. It also lets her choose how to atone, rather than a prosecutor with different priorities. Perhaps later she might choose to take the antidote, but I fully expect DC to end without her taking it right away. There isn't a good reason for immediate reversion.
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What will she exactly do if she stays a child ? She's 18, going to kindergarten will be extremely boring, so will be hanging out with DB or any other 7 year olds after Conan's gone, hanging out with Hakase doesn't sound exciting either.
Shiho doesn't exactly have a life as an adult. Everyone she loved is dead and most of the people who know her want her dead for defecting. As a child she actually has a real life with Agasa, whom she likes as a father figure and doesn't find boring because they have similar interests. Unlike Conan, she actually seems to like school because she never had a school life as a real child. Ai talked about the crushing loneliness of that once, eating alone while being rushed through grade levels and college. I doubt the Black Organization will crumble down neatly. If she returns to being an adult, she will likely have to go into hiding and leave Tokyo, or Japan altogether, to avoid the retribution of the Black Organization's partners. Traitors are hated most of all.
I don't see why people think Shinichi will stop visiting as an adult. He hung out with Agasa pretty frequently before he shrunk. Why would he revert to his arrogance after all the mental growing up as a fake child? Sure Shinichi will go to college/get a job eventually but Ai has plenty of time to work out what she wants.
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There are subs out for this "no laughing detective agency" episode now.
Also this clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmZgVdqZgKY
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I said this on the cbox, but I'll repeat here. My working theory is that Akai knew Scotch was an infiltrator but not vice versa. Akai didn't feel comfortable telling Scotch for whatever reason, the typical Akai behavior. Either Bourbon or Scotch slipped (my opinion is Bourbon) and Scotch took the fall for it. Akai went to confront him and revealed his FBI allegiance (The scene where Akai is kabe-don-ning Scotch. Scotch looks panicked because he still thinks Akai is loyal BO at that point in the convo, even though it's obvious a loyal BO wouldn't let Scotch do whatever with a gun while hovering so close they are breathing each others' air ._.). They formed a last minute plan to get Scotch killed in a way that would hide his identity and allow Bourbon to continue. Akai promises Scotch not to reveal Bourbon made the mistake that led up to all of this. Meanwhile Akai regrets not forming an allegiance with Scotch and working together before everything went south because maybe Scotch could have escaped alive. (The reason I don't think that Akai got there after Scotch shot himself is because there is no blood spatter on Akai yet.)
Thoughts on the murder case
Rokumichi almost certainly wears contacts/glasses. The harsh face he makes while squinting and the lack of it when his vision was corrected is what caused the change in his face and image.
There was no way Rokumichi was hanged on that rope. That knot doesn't slide to cinch tight like a noose knot. Rokumichi could have easily slipped out if lifted into the air alive. That means he was probably dead before he was hanged on that rope. He must have been killed on the ground and then his dead body was hauled into the air. Okiya speculated you need a huge person to do so, but with proper rope techniques, it is easily possible for a regular size person to hoist a greater weight. The use of various rope configurations (and optionally pulleys) can reduce the force needed to haul a person upwards significantly. That's why mountaineering in relevant to this case, it's the source of the rope know-how. As an example, the simplest configuration, giving a 2:1 mechanical advantage, would be tie down the non-body end of the main rope, then attach a sliding rope winch to the middle of the main rope and pull it. The exact rope configuration details though (and why those chairs are relevant at all) are still unclear to me.The baseball was was used to get the hanging rope over a stage beam so the body could be hauled upward. The thick rope can't be thrown over the high beam by itself, so a string is tried to the non-looped end of the thick rope, the string is tied to the ball, and the ball tossed over the beam. The string is then reeled in to pull the end of the thick rope up and over. Why the murderer didn't recover the ball and string by tugging on it is a mystery to me.
Also the vic's sunglasses are missing. He was wearing them in the movie, but not seen with them later.
Edit: One thing I forgot is that many people are accusing Amuro of irrationally hanging on to his resentment after finding out Akai didn't kill Scotch in cold blood because Amuro now thinks that Akai could have gotten Scotch out of the situation alive. While I don't disagree about Amuro being rather unreasonable, remember Akai did pull off a fabulous fake death plan so Amuro's frustration is sort of justified. Amuro just doesn't know Conan was the mastermind. Sometimes people just become hysterical when someone they deeply care about dies, and unfortunately Gosho seems portray the feeling ham-handedly to the detriment of the likability of the character. Jodie's complete loss of composure, independence, and detective skill when Akai died is a prime example.
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To be honest, I think you picked all the wrong examples to make your points.
Those nameless guys might be goons, but they are pretty central to the episodes they are in. They aren't too numerous that they muck up things either. I don't think a blanket policy against nameless characters would work well in cases like The NY case, The Mysterious Passenger, or the Teito Bank Heist. In those cases, unnamed characters had major speaking roles. I also don't mind the animals in the people section. Most of the time they are effectively main case characters.
I don't have a problem with repetition either if it helps with clarity. Different cases have different needs and multicase pages often have separate cast lists for each major case part. See Red vs Black for the most dramatic example. I went and removed the final people list on the first episode page because resolution sections on other pages don't have cast lists. I suspect the editor who added it wanted to make sure the weapon smuggler was represented somewhere on the episode page.
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I personally feel many of the cast lists are being packed to the point of detracting from the main contributing characters in the movie and potentially confusing people unfamiliar with series or the site. In the same vein, I have been having misgivings about the unorganized overloaded state of some of the people sections which makes it impossible to tell who is relatively important with a lot of air time (like the suspects) and who isn't. (eg Movie 15, Movie 13)
I am of the opinion that the wiki should operate like an onion in layers of detail, keeping the basic information most people are looking for front and center while sectioning or spinning off pages of increasing detail and "fancruft". I see the appearances page for each character as the proper location for the full laundry list of all appearances major and background. I am not happy with the status quo of mentioning background characters which don't add to the plot (or characters that only appear in the standard DC movie intro) in the cast list.
I am not sure how I feel about minor recurring characters on the cast list. One one hand they are recurring characters which is a bit noteworthy even if no one cares about them. On the other hand, I feel like we are almost Conan IMDb in terms of our cast lists, and either need to choose between going there completely or backing away. Another concern is that a single user has done most of the discovery work regarding the the incredibly minor police and other background characters. No one has validated that person's work or proven that the characters are consistently the same character versus recycled models from earlier episodes.
Despite my personal feelings, I won't unilaterally make a decision here without knowing the general opinion on the status quo.
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Not really related to the case at hand, but I've been wondering is there any decisive evidence so far to counter the theory that Kouji Haneda is Akai's father?
The last name situation comes to mind first. Masumi Sera seems to be originally called Masumi Akai per the reaction to the convo in the red woman case.
http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=13071&start=135#p864674
Surprise 19 of 20: graphic of Conan wearing Akai clothes and sitting
NO BREAK NEXT WEEK
Translation of text spoilers:
File 956: The brunt of betrayal
The "I'm sorry" text was Rokumichi's (the victim's) own writing. It had been leaked that, in life, Rokumichi was struggling to shorten the gap with other musicians: the president had told Rokumichi not to mind that but it would seem that that atmosphere had changed as of late.
The unscrupulous reporter brings out a theory that says that the reason the president helped Rokumichi make his debut 17 years ago was because he wanted to flirt with the manager but that was a joke by the president.
Yet Rokumichi got far more furious than expected and he began to say he would retire: the reporter adds that Rokumichi and the president shared the hobby of mountain-climbing.
The repoter was also a member of the mountain-climbing club but since he was a "ghost member" he doesn't even know how to tie a rope: when the reporter hears how Rokumichi died, he makes wild claim that perhaps a fan granted Rokumichi's own wish to "die on the stage".
Amuro hears the reporter saying this is an impossible crime and has a flashback about Scotch's death.
Scotch's right hand was stained in blood yet the back of his hand and the end of the thumb finger weren't stained. In short: he gripped the gun himself and choose death: Akai should've had more than one means to stop him from killing himself...
...Or so Amuro is thinking. Vermouth orders Amuro to hurry it up and solve the case to leave the scene.
The repoter says he wants to leave and write an article but he gets into an argument with Takagi and accidentaly dumps a bag of a forensic standing close by. One of the scattered pieces of evidence is the victim's (driving) license. He makes an unapproachable face on the license's photo.
Ran helps pick the stuff up and there's the bundle of rope that the forensic stuffed into a bag along with the license and other stuff right next to her.
Megure confiscates the reporter's digital camera and checks the photos.
It's clear from the photos that the reporters was caught by the victim taking photos of him since it looks like the victim was going to confiscate the camera. "If I catch you again I'm so gonna kill you!" Or so the victim roared with a threatening attitude: the staff also heard that roar. And so the reporter gets reported as "troublesome" by Takagi.
One of the backband members having a shovel has been arrested on the scene. It would seem the man was supposed to raid into some drugs right after tomorrow's live ended.
Conan asks a forensics if there's the "one half" of something has fallen on the scene in order to draw out Okiya and the other 2. They then fix their attention on the 3 suspects.
Conan asks next if there's something missing: the forensic says that a wire and some gloves they'd retrieved elsewhere were what were missing from the toolbox. The pipe seat next to the body should've been in the rest space located deeper inside the building.
The foresnsic says that he'll bring them with him for analysis to show it to someone: and there's a mark that looks like a hole behind the surface of one of the seats.
And Ran remembers: she was called "Angel" by the woman who'd kidnapped Haibara and pointed a gun at her as she shielded Haibara. Wonders why Azusa uses the same word as that woman...
Side-note: Vermouth, dressed as Azusa, gets suspected by Ran! A lot of ideas are mixing: will the musician's mysterious death and the enmity between Akai and Amuro become clear in the next number...!?
Updated translation with corrections
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I think I was reading between the lines there rather than relying on what was said exactly. You are technically right, we don't know how Shuukichi feels about Kohji other than deep respect for Shogi skills.How'd you draw that conclusion? All Shukichi said was that Koji was the shogi player he respected the most. Shukichi was 11 when Koji died, and his surname didn't change from "Sera" to "Haneda" until after his high school graduation—he wouldn't have become Koji's brother-in-law/step-brother until 7-8 years after he died. He may not have actually met him. He certainly could've met him, and they could've been friends, in spite of their age gap, but did Shukichi explicitly say anything about Koji being a "close friend" in 947? Not that I recall.
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If we make the reaching assumptions that 1) all the APTX-like drugs developed have the same effect including the one that Vermouth took whenever, 2) That effect is to decrease age and then stop aging to lock in the new younger body, that raises some questions about Vermouth. If Mary was middle age (let's say ~50-55) and she turned into a middle schooler, then Vermouth must have been a veritable crone to turn ~25ish.
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Eh, Gosho has said plenty of revealing things like this in past at these talks and elsewhere like in postcards. I don't think a new silhouette is out of character.but I disagree that a question choose for Gosho to answer would have been him "revealing a new character silhouette"
I have one hundred percent the opposite opinion. I'm looking at the detailed hairline, the dress, a chest shape that implies enormous boobs, and thinking there is way more detail than needed for a one-off drawing or pose. https://i.imgur.com/wJSKNR3.jpgespecially since that silhouette looks like a random shutterstock stock image
Gosho even went so far as to put a giant question mark by the silhouette, as if saying "guess who I am! w"
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That was just a question slide. He didn't create those slides
Gosho picks a color to choose an answer. Gosho chose Blue.
SIS is only on there because it is listed in SDB 60+
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If you could request cooperation from the various international organisations that have appeared in the series and have been listed in "Detective Conan 60+ to take down the Black Organisation, which organisation would you want to lend a hand?
Red: FBI
White: CIA
Blue: 公安警察 (kouan keisatsu) (Japanese intelligence)
Green: SIS
I am aware of the context of the slide, but I think it is effectively an announcement that a character from SIS/MI6 will be involved. Just because Gosho doesn't make the slides doesn't mean he doesn't decide the content. None of the other groups on that slide are hypotheticals, and given the sudden bout of Britishness that has been going on, I think the writing is on the wall.
No one has fronted an idea who shadow woman is either. Gosho typically reuses the images he makes for keyholes, and none of the keyholes match the shadow figure as far as I know. It's far more detailed than a generic shadowperson.
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Stopped my bedroom from catching on fire. A light on an electrical timer randomly shorted and started an electrical fire. I shut it off and got the fire out before it spread, but I felt a hell of a lot safer knowing I had an extinguisher in fifteen feet if it relit. So get a fire extinguisher.
Also reminder you need to back your comp data up.
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Bumping this topic with copypasta. Sorry.
Mary is one of those overly suspicious but obviously fake suspects that Gosho uses to confuse the people who are new to his style and haven't seen his tricks before. Masumi overtly calls Mary mom, which makes two things pretty likely: Mary is a shrunken person and Mary spawned the Akai litter. That changes a lot of things as far as reasonable suspicion goes. Mary is not Asaka or Rum.
1) Haneda Kouji was the close friend of Shuukichi, and killing your kid's best friend would be pretty bad.
2) Okiya/Shuuichi seems to be worried about the presence of Asaka lurking around Masumi, meaning Asaka sounds like a bad deal. While the Akai family clearly has all sorts of problems, an evil mom doesn't seem to be one of them based on Mary's interactions with Masumi. Mary also helped Conan nail a killer.
3) No moves have been made against Conan or Haibara even though Mary knows Conan used to be Shinichi (she compares Conan to that kid from the past). Shinichi is supposed to be dead, and Haibara said that she couldn't tell the BO of Shinichi's survival because they would kill him before she could study him.
4) Mary is on the run and hiding from someone. The BO have great resources in Japan and know how to disappear. A top BO agent wouldn't need to do something as primitive as shuffle hotels while putting Masumi through public school. That leaves all sorts of records law enforcement can compel hotels to hand over. That suggests that Mary's enemy is not Japanese law enforcement.
5) The hints are suggesting Mary is most likely Elena's sister. (She looks like Haibs, Gosho mentioned a mother character has a mother sister.) Elena was nice, even though BO.
6) During his yearly talk, Gosho announced the presence of MI6/SIS with a new female character's silhouette. Guess who enjoys British-style tea in her hotel and has a tomboy child who speaks the Queen's English and has British table manners? Mary.
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Since Vermouth said, "The one whose insights are second to none in the organisation, Bourbon", then Rum's specialty isn't insight or thinking like a detective? Then, Rum must have a specific skill set that is above even Vermouth's disguise-ability? Can such a thing even exist? Some combat skills?
Also, this statement can help to declassify Mary as a Rum possibility, if she ever was a candidate for Rum.
Rum could be loyal like Gin and a jack of all trades but a master of none. I am a bit of a fan of the idea that Rum could have a gadget replacing his eye that could give him extra perception like infrared vision or something. The BO clearly has some level of gadgeteering and talent, but Gosho hasn't explored the idea of an enemy with Agasa-like powers. Agasa is pretty high up in Team Shin-chan, so why not an evil Agasa?
Mary is one of those overly suspicious but obviously fake suspects that Gosho uses to confuse the people who are new to his style and haven't seen his tricks before. Masumi overtly calls Mary mom, which makes two things pretty likely: Mary is a shrunken person and Mary spawned the Akai litter. That changes a lot of things as far as reasonable suspicion goes.
1) Haneda Kouji was the close friend of Shuukichi, and killing your kid's best friend would be pretty bad.
2) Okiya/Shuuichi seems to be worried about the presence of Asaka lurking around Masumi, meaning Asaka sounds like a bad deal. While the Akai family clearly has all sorts of problems, an evil mom doesn't seem to be one of them based on Mary's interactions with Masumi. Mary also helped Conan nail a killer.
3) No moves have been made against Conan or Haibara even though Mary knows Conan used to be Shinichi (she compares Conan to that kid from the past). Shinichi is supposed to be dead, and Haibara said that she couldn't tell the BO of Shinichi's survival because they would kill him before she could study him.
4) Mary is on the run and hiding from someone. The BO have great resources in Japan and know how to disappear. A top BO agent wouldn't need to do something as primitive as shuffle hotels while putting Masumi through public school. That leaves all sorts of records law enforcement can compel hotels to hand over. That suggests that Mary's enemy is not Japanese law enforcement.
5) The hints are suggesting Mary is most likely Elena's sister. (She looks like Haibs, Gosho mentioned a mother character has a mother sister.) Elena was nice, even though BO.
6) During his yearly talk, Gosho announced the presence of MI6/SIS with a new female character's silhouette. Guess who enjoys British-style tea in her hotel and has a tomboy child who speaks the Queen's English and has British table manners? Mary.
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Question remains : When and why did she took APTX ? Or was it given to her.
Maybe its time to take a look again on the APTX-List...
Unless Mary was listed under an alias, no name matches hers on the APTX list. All the visible names are listed on the wiki under List of Black Organization related characters.
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I haven't tried in the past 6-7 years, so I don't have any. Search the titles in Chinese?
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Pretend like I didn't see anything and leave ASAP, so I don't get knocked out and have my stuff stolen for a disguise or caught up in some nasty murder case. Also if you take Magic Kaito into account, there have been quite a few heists where there are evil fake Kids and/or gunbattles. Watching the heist on TV seems the best way to go in-universe if you want to enjoy a peaceful life without risk of being tasered or shot.
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Boss: 6 - 8 1/2 year old boy, looks a bit like Conan but slightly taller and sharper eyes
Rum: A mix of Yamato Kansuke and Gin (not counting the hair), maybe greying a little.
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So my only hope is Amazon for now?
That would be the best method because it gives money to the creators. If you are really desperate you might be able to find something on the Chinese or Southeast Asia part of the web.
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.... Gosho, I can't believe you went there. -___________________________-
Kabe don = "Wall bam" in English. It's basically a slang term for that trapping-someone-with-one-hand-against-the-wall pose that doesn't make sense without cultural knowledge. Jimmy, you might try "Akai trapping Scotch against the wall (heart)"